This is how Kamala could win.

[CouchPotato]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Virtually everyone that knows her and is willing to speak candidly agrees that in person she is a complete and utter biatch.

But most people don't know her and will never speak to her in person. She appears more likeable to me than Hillary, for instance. Cackling looks stupid, but it doesn't make her seem like a biatch.

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

But most people don't know her and will never speak to her in person. She appears more likeable to me than Hillary, for instance. Cackling looks stupid, but it doesn't make her seem like a biatch.

It didn't work out that way during her presidential run.  I mean you and I can't say if she is or isnt because that's such a personal preference kind of thing but what i can say is previously she didn't appear very likable to the majority. 

I think she'll be more likeable as a 'person' than trump - but trump will appear stronger, more in command and more sure of himself and to be blunt that appeals to americans.  And she's going to have a 'sincerity' problem. 

She's not a great candidate, there's just no way around it. If she was she'd have won the nomination 4 years ago.  So if the dems want to beat trump they're going to have to play some pretty serious cards.  She'll get a small 'shiney new leader' bump but that will not last long or do much unless she can really capitalize on it. 

[Perspektiv]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

if trump just shuts up

You know if those are the stakes, she will be sworn in come January.

[CouchPotato]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It didn't work out that way during her presidential run.  I mean you and I can't say if she is or isnt because that's such a personal preference kind of thing but what i can say is previously she didn't appear very likable to the majority.

I wonder if the reason she lost doesn't have more to do with the fact that people felt there were better candidates overall and less to do with her likeability.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You know if those are the stakes, she will be sworn in come January.

LOL   well it's a fair point  

 But i think he learned from the last election. He was vastly more controlled in the debate, he's been amazingly controlled during the whole dem melt down, he's actually (for him) extremely disciplined this time out. 

We'll see.  If this is all about trump, he loses.  If this is all about harris he wins. 

making her president would change that overnight and she's become the odds on favorite for sure. 

[CouchPotato]

7 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You know if those are the stakes, she will be sworn in come January.

I don't think he necessarily has to shut up, but he can't be as ruthless as he was with Hillary. If she begins attacking him, I think Trump ought to fight back. I just think he should be measured in his attack. He bit his tongue quite a bit with Biden.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

I wonder if the reason she lost doesn't have more to do with the fact that people felt there were better candidates overall and less to do with her likeability.

I doubt it.  There weren't much better candidates. She didn't get ANY votes -zero zip. She was literally at the bottom of the pack. 

And i haven't exactly seen people warm up to her since. If anything she's been the butt of jokes and she hasn't achieved much.  You don't hear much from vice's anyway but she's been especially useless. 

She could always 'rise to the occasion' but that's not likely. She needs a push, A coronation and presidency would give her that, but i'm not sure much else will. 

[Black Dog]

Just now, CdnFox said:

I doubt it.  There weren't much better candidates. She didn't get ANY votes -zero zip. She was literally at the bottom of the pack. 

She literally withdrew before the primaries you dumbshit.

[CouchPotato]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I doubt it.  There weren't much better candidates. She didn't get ANY votes -zero zip. She was literally at the bottom of the pack. 

And i haven't exactly seen people warm up to her since. If anything she's been the butt of jokes and she hasn't achieved much.  You don't hear much from vice's anyway but she's been especially useless. 

She could always 'rise to the occasion' but that's not likely. She needs a push, A coronation and presidency would give her that, but i'm not sure much else will. 

You could be right. Personally, I don't care if a candidate is likeable or not. I don't need to like someone for them to do a good job. But it doesn't hurt I guess.

[Hodad]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Trump mocking her laugh is a bad move. She enjoys herself. 

He comes across as angry and miserable. He should pound her policies into the ground.

Making it personal, just gets her tons of space to taunt her V card and race card to remove disgusted voters from the potential pool of indecisive people.

100% right. If conservatives think picking on a woman's voice-- particularly one that's authentically joyful--is going to win them any points they are crazy. Nobody is going hear that criticism and suddenly think, " Oh, my, I don't think she should be president." They're going to correctly surmise that her critics are misogynists. And women across the country are keenly aware of how their voices are perceived and received by men--both literally and metaphorically.

[Perspektiv]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But i think he learned from the last election.

I think he's far more dangerous to her, now. I mean, he seems to have learned that spending all your energy on drama, doesn't resolve anything. He seems to be managing this better.

He's quite pointed in the attacks on her I've seen so far.

I won't lie. In Canada and in the US, I'd much rather have a non-woke candidate win. I think I speak for more than half of the population in either country, when they say they're sick of that.

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

100% right. If conservatives think picking on a woman's voice-- particularly one that's authentically joyful--is going to win them any points they are crazy. Nobody is going hear that criticism and suddenly think, " Oh, my, I don't think she should be president." They're going to correctly surmise that her critics are misogynists. And women across the country are keenly aware of how their voices are perceived and received by men--both literally and metaphorically.

She has far more weapons than Biden has, but if Trump is smart, he'll attack her track record, relentlessly.

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

She literally withdrew before the primaries you dumbshit.

Right because she was winning so much!!  oh wait.....   

You make my point nicely kiddo  

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

You could be right. Personally, I don't care if a candidate is likeable or not. I don't need to like someone for them to do a good job. But it doesn't hurt I guess.

well you CAN win on personality.  But then you have to have an absolutely great personality.  Obama ran and won in his first race largely on personality and showmanship and likeability.   But  it has to be exceptional.  Trudeau won on likeability, but again his charisma was unusually good. Literally got elected for his hair  

She's not in that league at all, she has to bring something else. Being the political equivilant of a disney princess would do it ,  biden is supposed to talk to the nation later today, we'll see if the dems managed to talk him into it. 

[Black Dog]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Right because she was winning so much!!  oh wait.....   

You make my point nicely kiddo  

Again, since you're too stupid to recall what you wrote:

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She didn't get ANY votes -zero zip. She was literally at the bottom of the pack. 

How can someone be "bottom of the pack" in a race in which they did not compete?

[impartialobserver]

Honestly, if Trump put the clamp on his verbal diarrhea.. he wins handily. By at least 150 Electoral votes... but not sure he can do that. 

Edited July 24 by impartialobserver

[CdnFox]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Again, since you're too stupid to recall what you wrote:

How can someone be "bottom of the pack" in a race in which they did not compete?

Umm - no, that's still 100 percent accurate. She was doing so badly that she pulled the plug before she got a vote. She did THAT badly. 

You're not going to make me explain how politics works to you again are you?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Honestly, if Trump put the clamp on his verbal diarrhea.. he wins handily. 

Yeah.  So far he's been pretty disciplined (for him).  We'll see if that holds. If he sticks to some rallies to keep  the base up and focuses on the biden-harris record (and repeats that constantly to tie her to him) but otherwise stays out of it then he'll likey take it. 

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Umm - no, that's still 100 percent accurate. She was doing so badly that she pulled the plug before she got a vote. She did THAT badly. 

You're not going to make me explain how politics works to you again are you?

Given you don't understand how primary elections work, I don't think you have much to offer on the subject, dipshit.

 

Edited July 24 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Given you don't understand how primary elections work, I don't think you have much to offer on the subject, dipshit.

 

LOL - you're the one who screwed it up kiddo   I was 100 percent correct. She crashed and burned before  she got a single primary vote   You're the dolt who tried to claim that wasn't true and now just realized it was  

[Fluffypants]

Honestly I don't think the leaders of the Democrat party are playing to win at this point, they are playing to not get destroyed and keep campaign funds flowing this isn't all about the Presidency this is about the down ballot candidates as well especially in blue states.

If Trump can come in within striking distance of turning a blue state red like New York even his losing in that state could benefit the Republican party as a whole by getting some candidates in the more purplish districts to turn Republican.

Kamala is just in there to not make things worse. Biden wouldn't get better as the election goes on and could possibly get much worse.

 

 

[ironstone]

35 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

She literally withdrew before the primaries you dumbshit.

There was a reason for that. She knew her campaign had no traction and never any momentum. Not even in her home state.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Fluffypants said:

Honestly I don't think the leaders of the Democrat party are playing to win at this point, they are playing to not get destroyed and keep campaign funds flowing this isn't all about the Presidency this is about the down ballot candidates as well especially in blue states.

If Trump can come in within striking distance of turning a blue state red like New York even his losing in that state could benefit the Republican party as a whole by getting some candidates in the more purplish districts to turn Republican.

Kamala is just in there to not make things worse. Biden wouldn't get better as the election goes on and could possibly get much worse.

 

 

It's arguably true - they are probably more worried about the downvote.  If the lose the congress and the senate then they're in SEVERE trouble.  

[ironstone]

Just how far left is Harris?

"What can be, unburdened by what has been" Does that mean she'll go full on AOC if she wins?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ironstone said:

There was a reason for that. She knew her campaign had no traction and never any momentum. Not even in her home state.

Yeah.  She was bottom of the pile.  Just couldn't get ANYONE excited about voting for her. 

And that's what i was talking about earlier. That's only a few years ago, i doubt she's going to be winning the hearts and minds of anyone right now any more than she was then. 

UNLESS....   everyone loves a disney princess story. If she took the presidency and they played it right she'd be the ugly duckling who was now a beautiful swan. 

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hillary is still to this day appearing on tv claiming the election was rigged and trump wasn't the legit president. 

Swing and a miss. 

 

Fact:  She conceded the election and did not attempt a coup.

Fact:  Trump still hasn't conceded and attempted a coup.