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[User]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

Yeah, there isn't any in the gas chambers. Only the delousong chambers.

So, your brilliant point here is that they didn't use the gas chambers to gas them... but you agree they did gas them, only in the delousing chambers?

So... define what a gas chamber is here if not the place where people are gassed. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333114699_Lack_of_Prussian_Blue_Staining_on_the_Walls_of_Gas_Chambers

Did you even read this?

"This paper proposes that the reason there is no Prussian blue (no blue staining) on the walls and ceilings of gas chambers was due to the competition reaction of the formation of zinc cyanide (EQ 2) as compared to Prussian blue (EQ 1)."

 

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Oh I would never ignore the trillions of witnessess...I am just not aware that they are all currently in the gas chamber room.

You must be sick joking. They were forced to bury the bodies. Duh

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333114699_Lack_of_Prussian_Blue_Staining_on_the_Walls_of_Gas_Chambers

that link doesn't say no gas chambers had blue.  It just says that where there wasn't blue there's a reason. 

However  we're talking about the chamber at Maidaneck, 

And as @User said, there is definitely blue on the walls of that one's gas chamber. 

 Gas Chambers at Majdanek (jewishvirtuallibrary.org)

A door from the shower leads into the first gas chamber which is a large room with an alcove, that resembles a three-sided room within a room. In the alcove, there are heavy blue stains left on the walls and ceiling from the Zyklon B gas used here. There are two holes in the ceiling through which the Zyklon B pellets could be dropped and openings in the wall through which hot air was blown in, according to the guidebook. This room also has a wooden floor over concrete; the walls are covered with stucco.

It notes that that section may have been somewhat makeshift, in use before the other three chambers were built. It's possible that at one time it was also used for delousing as well. But in this case you were wrong, the gas chamber has blue staining along the walls as seen in the picture. It notes that there were women who were able to observe the function of the room, there's no doubt it was used as a gas chamber. 

Sorry kid, in a generic sense you might have been right but for this specific case you were wrong. That's why I asked for a cite for this picture. 

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[Five of swords]

8 hours ago, User said:

Did you even read this?

"This paper proposes that the reason there is no Prussian blue (no blue staining) on the walls and ceilings of gas chambers was due to the competition reaction of the formation of zinc cyanide (EQ 2) as compared to Prussian blue (EQ 1)."

 

I read about that like 6 years ago. That was the thesis to the 'responses to garmer Rudolph's 'the chemistry of auschwitz'. However, I dont see why a response was necessary considering Rudolf was simply thrown in prison. It is not exactly an environment conducive to objective wciebtific research and that guy could be just making stuff up and dare any scientist to disagree, lol.

 

Regardless,back to the point, I could simply tell from the photo that this was a delousong chamber and gas chambers do not look like that. Now you seem to agree? Why? Cause I posted words from some Jewish 'scientist' and you know you can trust them?

[Five of swords]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

that link doesn't say no gas chambers had blue.  It just says that where there wasn't blue there's a reason. 

However  we're talking about the chamber at Maidaneck, 

And as @User said, there is definitely blue on the walls of that one's gas chamber. 

 Gas Chambers at Majdanek (jewishvirtuallibrary.org)

A door from the shower leads into the first gas chamber which is a large room with an alcove, that resembles a three-sided room within a room. In the alcove, there are heavy blue stains left on the walls and ceiling from the Zyklon B gas used here. There are two holes in the ceiling through which the Zyklon B pellets could be dropped and openings in the wall through which hot air was blown in, according to the guidebook. This room also has a wooden floor over concrete; the walls are covered with stucco.

It notes that that section may have been somewhat makeshift, in use before the other three chambers were built. It's possible that at one time it was also used for delousing as well. But in this case you were wrong, the gas chamber has blue staining along the walls as seen in the picture. It notes that there were women who were able to observe the function of the room, there's no doubt it was used as a gas chamber. 

Sorry kid, in a generic sense you might have been right but for this specific case you were wrong. That's why I asked for a cite for this picture. 

These people need to work on making their copes logically consistent. It is literally suggesting in this text that zuklon b gas causes a blue stain. But if that is true, then there is an elephant in the room which is the auschwitz 'gas chambers. The speculation that 'thr build may have been shoddy' or 'they may have moved rooms around' is doing a lot of work here. Too much for ration people, in fact.

 

If they were smart with their propaganda they should have entirely left out the part about zyklon b causing blue stains. They should have simply said it is possible for it to, and left it at that.

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[User]

51 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

I read about that like 6 years ago. That was the thesis to the 'responses to garmer Rudolph's 'the chemistry of auschwitz'. However, I dont see why a response was necessary considering Rudolf was simply thrown in prison. It is not exactly an environment conducive to objective wciebtific research and that guy could be just making stuff up and dare any scientist to disagree, lol.

 

Regardless,back to the point, I could simply tell from the photo that this was a delousong chamber and gas chambers do not look like that. Now you seem to agree? Why? Cause I posted words from some Jewish 'scientist' and you know you can trust them?

You tried to present this as your evidence for why they were not gas chambers... I am merely pointing out that you clearly did not read it very well as it explains why the gas chambers were not blue. 

I am pointing out that if you use anything as a place to gas people... it is a gas chamber. Trying to play some kind of semantics game doesn't change the fact that people were gassed inside that room. 

To the point, you are a holocaust denier and a liar and present stupid arguments that you can't even figure out are contradictory and you don't even read the sources you try to claim support you when they don't

[Five of swords]

9 minutes ago, User said:

You tried to present this as your evidence for why they were not gas chambers... I am merely pointing out that you clearly did not read it very well as it explains why the gas chambers were not blue. 

I am pointing out that if you use anything as a place to gas people... it is a gas chamber. Trying to play some kind of semantics game doesn't change the fact that people were gassed inside that room. 

To the point, you are a holocaust denier and a liar and present stupid arguments that you can't even figure out are contradictory and you don't even read the sources you try to claim support you when they don't

No, I just said your picture wasn't a gas chamber. I am just trying to inform you what the official history is, I am not interested in discussing whether it is true or not.

 

As this guy said, and now you seem to accept it, the gas chambers in general did not have Prussian blue stains. I was simply correct and you were wrong. The other guy cited some text Erich suggested 'maybe this room used to be a delousing chamber'...also supporting my claim.

 

You are the one looking uninformed here, not me

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

$800M penalty makes the FOS LIES violation MUCH MORE SERIOUS than ANYTHING you got on CNN. Duh

If only any of ^this were true....  LMAO

Hey stupid, you only have one example of one thing that Fox said that wasn't true. One. FYI that's even less than 2. 

Do you wanna know what's more than 2, stupid? 10. 10 is 5x as much as 2, I kid you not, and I have more than ten examples of CNN lying. 

Wanna know what's more than ten? Infinity. CNN lies about everything. They don't even bother with the truth anymore because they know that their cultists - like you - don't care.

If you don't think that CNN lies about everything, then just give me one major story that you think they told the truth about, and I will put you right squarely in your place you stupid little biotch.

Oh, and I know what's coming: "But I don't watch CNN you big bully 😭".

Oddly enough, no one watches CNN. Ask any worthless leftard dipshit here about CNN and not one of you will vouch for them because you know it's all 100% garbage, all the time. You'll say: "I get the exact same lies somewhere else" 🤣

[User]

16 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

No, I just said your picture wasn't a gas chamber. I am just trying to inform you what the official history is, I am not interested in discussing whether it is true or not.

It was used to gas and kill people... that makes it a gas chamber. 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

As this guy said, and now you seem to accept it, the gas chambers in general did not have Prussian blue stains. I was simply correct and you were wrong. The other guy cited some text Erich suggested 'maybe this room used to be a delousing chamber'...also supporting my claim.

You tried to use that source to back up your lie that they did not gas anyone in the gas chambers. You clearly didn't read your own source. 

17 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

You are the one looking uninformed here, not me

Nope, you continue to prove what a detestable liar you are 

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Boges said:

The Dems are thrilled to have a young candidate to rally around. 

Why? Just a month ago Biden was hailed as healthy and perfectly capable, mentally. What difference does Kamala's age make if Biden was that perfect? 

[Black Dog]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They're playing everywhere.  And they'll be reminding everyone frequently enough.  We haven't even got to the testimony from the secret service as to how this could happen. 

Having seen the video of a somnambulant Trump sweatily mumbling through his confused, low-energy two hour spiel, I hope they do run with that as a key part of their pitch. 

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And yes - telling people to kill themselves is violence.  It's what you dems do.  I notice it wasn't the democrat candidate that got shot.  And by a dem supporter and donator no less. 

Again, the amount of political violence committed by righties is exponentially greater than that by the left.

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And if he wins you go away. 

But  we both know you'd never keep your word.  You're a democrat. 

Nope, I need you to say you'll keep your end of the bargain otherwise, what's in it for me?

 

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[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, User said:

It was used to gas and kill people... that makes it a gas chamber. 

 

 

You tried to use that source to back up your lie that they did not gas anyone in the gas chambers. You clearly didn't read your own source. 

Nope, you continue to prove what a detestable liar you are 

Again, I just said it wasn't a gas chamber because it has blue stains. You are welcome to scroll back and confirm that this is all I said. I have made no comments t on whether I believe whether the lack of blue stains in 'most' gas chambers disproves the hocaust narrative...I am just informing you that the fact is in fact part of the holocaust narrative and you clearly had idea about that. I did scoff at your suggestion that gad chambers don't need to be airtight, but that is the only relevant comment I made in that department.

 

You are just losing the plot and hallucinating me saying things I didn't say.

 

But since we are on the subject, let me inform you what is absolutely necessary for any 'gas chamber'. It needs to be airtight so that gas can actually be concentrated in the room and doesn't seem out, saving the prisoners and potentially killing the guards. This requirement is even more important if you are gassing 1500 people a day.

There needs to be some actual delivery system to introduce gas into the room. Otherwise there won't be a gassing. 

 

There then needs to be a system to suck out that gas from the room, because the gas will just stay there and still be fatal for days.

 

People then need to enter the room with hazmat suits and spray all the bodies with ammonia so they don't end up dying from moving the bodies to the crematorium.

 

And according to the holocaust narrative, based on the size of the room and the number of jews killed, that entire process took about 20 minutes.

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why? Just a month ago Biden was hailed as healthy and perfectly capable, mentally. What difference does Kamala's age make if Biden was that perfect? 

You really believe the Democrats thought that? even after the debate performance? They had to save face. From what I've heard, polling showed that he had no shot after the debate performance. 

Aging comes for all of us, it's not a character flaw. It's certainly possible he could be experiencing a steep decline in cognitive ability. 

Now Trump is the one that's going to have to watch all his lapses due to age. 

[Black Dog]

27 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

ut since we are on the subject, let me inform you what is absolutely necessary for any 'gas chamber'. It needs to be airtight so that gas can actually be concentrated in the room and doesn't seem out, saving the prisoners and potentially killing the guards. This requirement is even more important if you are gassing 1500 people a day.

The gas chambers doors had airtight seals.

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There needs to be some actual delivery system to introduce gas into the room. Otherwise there won't be a gassing. 

The delivery system was vents on the roof of the gas chamber they poured Zyklon B pellets down, which turned into gas when exposed to air.

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There then needs to be a system to suck out that gas from the room, because the gas will just stay there and still be fatal for days.

The gas chambers had fans installed by the company Topf & Söhne that sucked the gas out via several ventilation shafts. 

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People then need to enter the room with hazmat suits and spray all the bodies with ammonia so they don't end up dying from moving the bodies to the crematorium.

They used slave labour to remove the bodies, they didn't care about their well-being.

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And according to the holocaust narrative, based on the size of the room and the number of jews killed, that entire process took about 20 minutes.

It actually took an hour.

So there's your entire narrative flushed down the toilet. Sucks to be you.

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[Five of swords]

23 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The gas chambers doors had airtight seals.

The delivery system was vents on the roof of the gas chamber they poured Zyklon B pellets down, which turned into gas when exposed to air.

The gas chambers had fans installed by the company Topf & Söhne that sucked the gas out via several ventilation shafts. 

They used slave labour to remove the bodies, they didn't care about their well-being.

It actually took an hour.

So there's your entire narrative flushed down the toilet. Sucks to be you.

And yet you are simply confirming my narrative, other than some cavailing over the time required...and I don't really care about that.

 

But this is how the holocaust narrative works. People just make up stories like 'this is how it could have been possible'...and people can dream up whatever they like. The oy point I was making, which started this whole thread, is that none of the physical evidence remains. We don't have any physical evidence of any of the infrastructure you speak of. And this can be confirmed by holocaust affirming historians as well. And they say that it is because the germans destroyed it all. That is the only claim I was ever making, and that claim is confirmed by holocaust appreciations.

 

So I don't understand what you are actually arguing here.

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[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

And yet you are simply confirming my narrative, other than some cavailing over the time required...and I don't really care about that.

lol "ah ha, when you point out I'm full of shit you are playing into my hands" go touch grass junior.

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But this is how the holocaust narrative works. People just make up stories like 'this is how it could have been possible'...and people can dream up whatever they like. The oy point I was making, which started this whole thread, is that none of the physical evidence remains. We don't have any physical evidence of any of the infrastructure you speak of. And this can be confirmed by holocaust affirming historians as well. And they say that it is because the germans destroyed it all. That is the only claim I was ever making, and that claim is confirmed by holocaust appreciations.

This is of course not true, the gas chambers and crematoria still exist and were still existent when the Soviets liberated the camps. The Nazis actually did a very poor job of destroying the evidence.

[impartialobserver]

this whole thread is a prediction. Not sure what there is to argue for or against. Yes, Biden stepped down but the events in the OP have not occurred yet. 

[Five of swords]

8 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

lol "ah ha, when you point out I'm full of shit you are playing into my hands" go touch grass junior.

This is of course not true, the gas chambers and crematoria still exist and were still existent when the Soviets liberated the camps. The Nazis actually did a very poor job of destroying the evidence.

Really? You are going to tellme that there is still, for example, the mesh columns and the ventilation system in the aushwitz 'gas chamber'? By all means, show me. Cause as far as I know the historians all disagree with you.

[User]

56 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Again, I just said it wasn't a gas chamber because it has blue stains.

Again, the fact that it was used to gas people and kill them makes it a gas chamber. What is your point in saying it was not a gas chamber?

Do you agree that Jews were killed (murdered in genocide) on mass in gas chambers like these? Yes or No?

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

These people need to work on making their copes logically consistent. It is literally suggesting in this text that zuklon b gas causes a blue stain. But if that is true, then there is an elephant in the room which is the auschwitz 'gas chambers. The speculation that 'thr build may have been shoddy' or 'they may have moved rooms around' is doing a lot of work here. Too much for ration people, in fact.

 

If they were smart with their propaganda they should have entirely left out the part about zyklon b causing blue stains. They should have simply said it is possible for it to, and left it at that.

Well this has been addressed pretty thoroughly, in fact it's addressed in the very research paper you posted.  it's also been noted that it takes time for the blue staining and gas chambers weren't used 24 hours a day like the delousing of clothing was. There's a few other reasonable logical reasons given as well. 

They've tested the inside of the gas chambers without blue staining and they definitely have cyanide in the rock. 

There's been a number of things like this over the years - suggestions that they couldn't have killed that many based on the sq footage of the chambers and how long it would take to kill that many, etc etc, but they've all been pretty logically shot down. 

the picture we were looking at earlier in the thread is a real gas chamber. 

[CouchPotato]

How did we end up debating the holocaust? I think Five of swords could turn a thread about The Teletubbies into something about Jews.

[impartialobserver]

12 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

How did we end up debating the holocaust? I think Five of swords could turn a thread about The Teletubbies into something about Jews.

he may have already in this thread but WCM makes every topic into COVID-19. 

[Five of swords]

25 minutes ago, User said:

Again, the fact that it was used to gas people and kill them makes it a gas chamber. What is your point in saying it was not a gas chamber?

Do you agree that Jews were killed (murdered in genocide) on mass in gas chambers like these? Yes or No?

 

It is irrelevant what I believe about that. I am simply reporting what I understand the official 'accepted' history is.

 

To be honest, I never looked at this specific gas chamber and had no idea that this is apparently the only gas chamber which perhaps used to be a delousing chamber as well, which would explain the Prussian blue. I simply understood that gas chambers typically do not have that stain, which you apparently now accept as true because you heard the 'correct' authority say so. I was surprised to learn of this apparent exception, but it does nothing to refute my main point.

 

My point was simply that the rooms currently called gas chambers have none of the infrastructure remaining that is necessary to identify them as gas chambers. This is, I understand, also accepted fact for all the mainstream scholars, and the explanation is that the infrastructure was destroyed.

 

That is literally all I was saying, the historians all agree with me, and they disagree with you. They disagree that gas chambers need not be air tight, etc.

 

That is all. You might suspect that I deny the holocaust because my tone is not reverent enough and I seem to know too much about the subject. That's fine, you can suspect that. But that is not the point I was ever making...I was simply reporting in good faith what I understand the 'accepted mainstream' historians have to say.

[Five of swords]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well this has been addressed pretty thoroughly, in fact it's addressed in the very research paper you posted.  it's also been noted that it takes time for the blue staining and gas chambers weren't used 24 hours a day like the delousing of clothing was. There's a few other reasonable logical reasons given as well. 

They've tested the inside of the gas chambers without blue staining and they definitely have cyanide in the rock. 

There's been a number of things like this over the years - suggestions that they couldn't have killed that many based on the sq footage of the chambers and how long it would take to kill that many, etc etc, but they've all been pretty logically shot down. 

the picture we were looking at earlier in the thread is a real gas chamber. 

I'm not saying the copes don't exist, I'm saying they do exist. That was exactly what I was saying. Once again you are trying to disagree with my by agreeing with me. It is quite bizarre.

 

But no, you are not correct when you say everything is shut down. They have in fact reduced the number they estimate were killed in gas chambers. Aushwitz was 4 million in 1980, now it is about 1 million.