Canadians voting along racial and ethnic lines

[I am Groot]

This topic comes up occasionally and all we see from the Left is denial. We almost never see it mentioned in the media, especially an admission that it happens all the bloody time and with growing frequency now as we bring in millions more racial/ethnic people from the third world.

Besco has found ethnic self-identification is powerful in Canadian elections. The largest groups — South Asian Canadians and Chinese Canadians — tend to support candidates of their own ethnicity, Besco discovered, regardless of the voters’ political ideology or even their own self-interest.

Saying the quiet part out loud here. We all knew it, of course, though the Left denies it. 

“Racialized Canadians are more likely to support candidates of their own ethnic group and racialized candidates more generally. Racial and ethnic identities matter, not only in elections but in nomination leadership races (and) social movements. These identity groups are deeply influential in politics,” writes Besco.

But more broadly, it isn't just Sikhs voting for Sikhs or Indians voting for Indians. It's 'racialized people' voting for anyone racialized first. And even those who acknowledge it never condemn it. They just shrug and say 'that's the way things are'. But can you imagine the outrage if someone suggested they should only vote for the white candidates? And as millions more such people flood into Canada what is that going to do to representative politics in future? When more than half the population are immigrants? Because the agenda of a lot of these groups is not in harmony with the best interests of Canada. That's especially true of Muslims and Sikhs.

 

Douglas Todd: Canadian politics becoming increasingly tribal | Vancouver Sun

[herbie]

Yeah that's why NDP support "soared" with Singh, eh? Like FFS you want only old white men nominated in Richmond and the Fraser Valley? Ones that talk like you about immigrants?
Well shit bricks, buddy as when the number of immigrants that got their citizenship outnumbers the Cdn born you're not gonna like it. Maybe you should gripe if your Dad or Granpa can vote too.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

This topic comes up occasionally and all we see from the Left is denial. We almost never see it mentioned in the media, especially an admission that it happens all the bloody time and with growing frequency now as we bring in millions more racial/ethnic people from the third world.

Besco has found ethnic self-identification is powerful in Canadian elections. The largest groups — South Asian Canadians and Chinese Canadians — tend to support candidates of their own ethnicity, Besco discovered, regardless of the voters’ political ideology or even their own self-interest.

Saying the quiet part out loud here. We all knew it, of course, though the Left denies it. 

“Racialized Canadians are more likely to support candidates of their own ethnic group and racialized candidates more generally. Racial and ethnic identities matter, not only in elections but in nomination leadership races (and) social movements. These identity groups are deeply influential in politics,” writes Besco.

But more broadly, it isn't just Sikhs voting for Sikhs or Indians voting for Indians. It's 'racialized people' voting for anyone racialized first. And even those who acknowledge it never condemn it. They just shrug and say 'that's the way things are'. But can you imagine the outrage if someone suggested they should only vote for the white candidates? And as millions more such people flood into Canada what is that going to do to representative politics in future? When more than half the population are immigrants? Because the agenda of a lot of these groups is not in harmony with the best interests of Canada. That's especially true of Muslims and Sikhs.

 

Douglas Todd: Canadian politics becoming increasingly tribal | Vancouver Sun

I'm not really surprised, there's been a fair body of work that shows people are more comfortable with people they can relate to and someone's ethnicity is going to make them a little easier to be comfortable with if it matches yours. That's true of everyone.  

It's certainly not absolute - it's certainly not a case of whites only vote white or brown only votes brown or racialized voting for racialized. But you are going to be more open to voting for someone you relate to.

I don't know that there 's much you can do about that. Sure the libs really lean into it by trying to divide people - gays against straights, racial against white, rural vs urban, rich vs poor, religious vs non religious, muslim vs christian, etc etc. But it's not like you'll stop them just by pointing it out. 

 

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Yeah that's why NDP support "soared" with Singh, eh?

Did you vote for singh? Probably not. There was probably a different candidate in your area and that's who you voted for. That's what it means to vote for somebody or feel more comfortable with your candidate.

Am I going to have to explain how our election system works to you again? We're not like the states where you vote for the president. Didn't they go over this at all in school? You went to school right? Maybe I shouldn't assume that...

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Yeah that's why NDP support "soared" with Singh, eh? Like FFS you want only old white men nominated in Richmond and the Fraser Valley? Ones that talk like you about immigrants?
Well shit bricks, buddy as when the number of immigrants that got their citizenship outnumbers the Cdn born you're not gonna like it. Maybe you should gripe if your Dad or Granpa can vote too.

OMG you're such a dumb racist. Everyone with an IQ over 80 just laughs at all your posts.

 

 

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These are two VERY separate posts. I hate it when my replies get merged. 

In India they elected Mohanman Singh PM twice, and Sikhs are only about 5-10% of the population there. I thought that was pretty incredible.

Edited July 8, 2024 by WestCanMan

[herbie]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

OMG you're such a dumb racist. Everyone with an IQ over 80 just laughs at all your posts.

Listen to yourself

no,no,no you're the racist, wah wah wah

F*cking place overrun with 7 year olds... nah nah nah you're fat for calling me fat nung nyung nyung...

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

Listen to yourself

no,no,no you're the racist, wah wah wah

1. I said you're a racist, because you clearly are. I wasn't defensive there in the slightest, as I have no reason to be.
2. I wasn't whining, I just made a declarative statement, and now you're whining.

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F*cking place overrun with 7 year olds...

You give yourself too much credit. You guys haven't 'overrun' the place, you've just left a bunch of little turds all over the place.

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, herbie said:

Listen to yourself

no,no,no you're the racist, wah wah wah

F*cking place overrun with 7 year olds... nah nah nah you're fat for calling me fat nung nyung nyung...

Boy - you sure proved you're not one of the 7 year olds with THAT post.  Well done

 And you owe me a new irony meter - mine just blew up. 

[herbie]

nah nah takes one to know one - blah blah I'm not listening 😛

 

[ironstone]

Who did the three main federal parties choose to run in Brampton South?

Ramandeep Brar-Conservatives

Sonia Sidhu-Liberals(she won)

Mandeep Kaur-NDP

Brampton apparently has a rather large Indian population.

Just a coincidence that these particular candidates were chosen?

 

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, herbie said:

nah nah takes one to know one - blah blah I'm not listening 😛

 

Wow - that's at least grade 6 level thinking, you're improving!    Not, like,  a lot or anything but still!   

[Dougie93]

On 7/7/2024 at 1:01 PM, I am Groot said:

This topic comes up occasionally and all we see from the Left is denial. We almost never see it mentioned in the media, especially an admission that it happens all the bloody time and with growing frequency now as we bring in millions more racial/ethnic people from the third world.

Besco has found ethnic self-identification is powerful in Canadian elections. The largest groups — South Asian Canadians and Chinese Canadians — tend to support candidates of their own ethnicity, Besco discovered, regardless of the voters’ political ideology or even their own self-interest.

Saying the quiet part out loud here. We all knew it, of course, though the Left denies it. 

“Racialized Canadians are more likely to support candidates of their own ethnic group and racialized candidates more generally. Racial and ethnic identities matter, not only in elections but in nomination leadership races (and) social movements. These identity groups are deeply influential in politics,” writes Besco.

But more broadly, it isn't just Sikhs voting for Sikhs or Indians voting for Indians. It's 'racialized people' voting for anyone racialized first. And even those who acknowledge it never condemn it. They just shrug and say 'that's the way things are'. But can you imagine the outrage if someone suggested they should only vote for the white candidates? And as millions more such people flood into Canada what is that going to do to representative politics in future? When more than half the population are immigrants? Because the agenda of a lot of these groups is not in harmony with the best interests of Canada. That's especially true of Muslims and Sikhs.

 

Douglas Todd: Canadian politics becoming increasingly tribal | Vancouver Sun

I would suggest that this is the result of the collapse of support for the monarchy

the whole multiculturalism paradigm only worked under the rule of the British Crown

there was no need for a Melting Pot so long as Canada was Loyalist

Loyalism  in the face of the Americans at the gates was the binding force

without that, it has of course degenerated in a free for all

the Post National State is a void, which is inventively being filled by ethnonationalism

 

[Nefarious Banana]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

nah nah takes one to know one - blah blah I'm not listening 😛

 

AngerBoy, get some psych help . . .

[herbie]

Look dimbulb, if you believe the gist of the article that ethnic groups will vote for a candidate of their same race over another that stands for policies they believe in, you're simply a bigot.

But then again you do champion a Party that has no interest in policies that would benefit you in the least,

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, herbie said:

Look dimbulb, if you believe the gist of the article that ethnic groups will vote for a candidate of their same race over another that stands for policies they believe in, you're simply a bigot.

 

 

This is a result of scientifically accurate polling and research. 

FOLLOW THE SCIENCE - unless you don't like what it says. Then call everyone a racist. 

Yeash.  The left these days. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

I don't doubt this is true.  I've lived amongst some of the most racialized parts of the country and was a bit shocked to discover that racialized Canadians are generally more racist than white Canadians, especially against other racialized groups.

Tribalism is a major threat to western countries and will only increase in scope.

Edited July 9, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Five of swords]

On 7/7/2024 at 1:01 PM, I am Groot said:

This topic comes up occasionally and all we see from the Left is denial. We almost never see it mentioned in the media, especially an admission that it happens all the bloody time and with growing frequency now as we bring in millions more racial/ethnic people from the third world.

Besco has found ethnic self-identification is powerful in Canadian elections. The largest groups — South Asian Canadians and Chinese Canadians — tend to support candidates of their own ethnicity, Besco discovered, regardless of the voters’ political ideology or even their own self-interest.

Saying the quiet part out loud here. We all knew it, of course, though the Left denies it. 

“Racialized Canadians are more likely to support candidates of their own ethnic group and racialized candidates more generally. Racial and ethnic identities matter, not only in elections but in nomination leadership races (and) social movements. These identity groups are deeply influential in politics,” writes Besco.

But more broadly, it isn't just Sikhs voting for Sikhs or Indians voting for Indians. It's 'racialized people' voting for anyone racialized first. And even those who acknowledge it never condemn it. They just shrug and say 'that's the way things are'. But can you imagine the outrage if someone suggested they should only vote for the white candidates? And as millions more such people flood into Canada what is that going to do to representative politics in future? When more than half the population are immigrants? Because the agenda of a lot of these groups is not in harmony with the best interests of Canada. That's especially true of Muslims and Sikhs.

 

Douglas Todd: Canadian politics becoming increasingly tribal | Vancouver Sun

The reason different races exist in the first place is because they are evolved for and thrive in different environments.

This is not merely limited to climate or diet. The most important part of a human's environment is of course the character of their society.

So really, it isn't rational for people to not vote in racial blocks. The kind of society different people thrive in is simply different. 

[Venandi]

7 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I've lived amongst some of the most racialized parts of the country and was a bit shocked to discover that racialized Canadians are generally more racist than white Canadians, especially against other racialized groups.

Tribalism is a major threat to western countries and will only increase in scope.

Agree on all counts and that's been my experience as well, both here and abroad.

The only difference being I wasn't shocked by it... likely because it was (part of) the reason for me being there in the first place and I was young enough (at first contact) to simply accept it as the norm. 

Perhaps the shock aspect is a function of exposure (or the lack of it) prior to being slapped in the face with the reality of something you didn't expect to see.

Across the board I think it's that lack of previous exposure which makes tribalism so polarizing and difficult to diffuse. People who've "been there and done that" usually come across as less tribal and less narrative driven because they've come to recognize the dangers of both. 

Edited July 9, 2024 by Venandi

[Moonlight Graham]

2 hours ago, Venandi said:

Agree on all counts and that's been my experience as well, both here and abroad.

The only difference being I wasn't shocked by it... likely because it was (part of) the reason for me being there in the first place and I was young enough (at first contact) to simply accept it as the norm. 

Perhaps the shock aspect is a function of exposure (or the lack of it) prior to being slapped in the face with the reality of something you didn't expect to see.

Across the board I think it's that lack of previous exposure which makes tribalism so polarizing and difficult to diffuse. People who've "been there and done that" usually come across as less tribal and less narrative driven because they've come to recognize the dangers of both. 

We're conditioned to believe white people are uniquely the most racist people, when in fact we're probably the least racist.  Which doesn't mean we're not racist.

Developing countries are not as progressive as Canadians and westerners in most areas.  Honophobia is another obvious example.

[Venandi]

On 7/9/2024 at 9:41 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

Developing countries are not as progressive as Canadians and westerners in most areas. 

Which provides the opportunity for progressives to continually be shocked by the dynamics of mass immigration.

How do simple unintended consequences entirely escape their notice? Never mind cultural differences or any of the challenges that entails for the moment, if you are going to import enough people to fill 4 cities the size of Thunder Bay without considering infrastructure (like housing, medical access, policing etc) then I would suggest that "shock" is inevitable and I'd also ask "what did you think was going to happen?"

And in terms of cultural differences, progressives seem truly "shocked" that Muslims don't share their values when it comes to having things like gay pride, drag queen story time, pornographic material in class rooms etc thrust upon them. 

If expats working in wealthy Islamic states live in (i'll call it) segregated communities and refuse to adapt to local customs why would we expect that people coming here would react differently than we do under (essentially) the same circumstances in reverse?

That's not to say it can't be done, only that it can't be done by pretending that radically different values coupled with demographic concentrations isn't a source of friction or an issue worthy of consideration.

The title of the thread (itself) speaks to the issue and any brief perusal of threads on this very forum stands as a testament to the lack of compromise that any successful integration effort needs to overcome.

It's breathtaking to me that those (right here) who are most resistant to compromise and the simple idea of "live your life and mind your own damn business" seem to think that everyone other than them has a duty to yield to their values in support of a progressive narrative that borders on religious dogma.

I confidently predict more shocked disappointment on the horizon...

The notion that touchdown in Canada combined with the briefest sniff of Canadian air results in profound cultural epiphanies provides limitless opportunity for the implosion of progressive heads. .

 

 

Edited July 11, 2024 by Venandi

[I am Groot]

On 7/7/2024 at 4:43 PM, herbie said:

Yeah that's why NDP support "soared" with Singh, eh?

Sikhs got him his job. They flocked to the NDP to get him the nomination. But of course, his ferocious embrace of wokism has gotten a ton of people to turn their backs on the NDP. Especially when he became Trudeau's B1tch. 

 

On 7/7/2024 at 4:43 PM, herbie said:

Well shit bricks, buddy as when the number of immigrants that got their citizenship outnumbers the Cdn born you're not gonna like it. Maybe you should gripe if your Dad or Granpa can vote too.

I would suggest almost none of the Canadian born will like it, because these foreigners who came here did what the left told them to do - hung onto their home cultures, and disdained ours. And their home cultures are invariably EXTREMELY socially conservative by our standards, and will embrace policies that help their homelands over those that help Canada. 

[I am Groot]

On 7/8/2024 at 10:32 PM, herbie said:

Look dimbulb, if you believe the gist of the article that ethnic groups will vote for a candidate of their same race over another that stands for policies they believe in, you're simply a bigot.

So there's the guy who did the study:

Randy Besco earned his PhD from Queen's University and was a Visiting Research Fellow at the Center for Race, Ethnicity and Gender in the Social Sciences 

And then there's... you, who have no education and did no study. And we're supposed to believe you?

You're a clown.

[herbie]

Oh. He has a degree and did A study. That at best shows a correlation but skips any alternate reasons and common sense.
And you believe it as truth because you know or at least heard a candidate was aided by bussing in ethnic supporters unlike non-ethnic ones from a union local, a church congregation or Chamber of Commerce.

Well, being involved in my riding I know all the Sikhs here voted NDP but always did for decades before Singh was leader.
The Sikhs in the Fraser Valley sure as hell didn't. Just like the white people in Richmond wouldn't vote Christian Heritage if that was the only white candidate running.

Talk about playing the victim, you supposed conservatives love to play and "poor white christian hetero male appears to be being denied something" card every time you can.

[Moonlight Graham]

Liberals, NDP, and other progressives hate their own identities as white male Canadian (typically) oppressors and feel much guilt and shame over it and therefore suppress their own identities aa much as possible and envision a multicultural utopian society and assume everyone else will ignore their own identities when it comes to politics as well.

They're naive fools.  People who wish to protect their identities will act politically based on those identities, just like the Quebecois have, and the indigenous, and now most every other ethnic group in the country.   And the white Anglo Canadian is left with their hands in their pockets looking like dumb losers.

Most other large ethnic groups create ethnic enclaves to live in and are encouraged by progressives to keep and celebrate their culture within Canadian cities while assimilation is called oppression and white anglos are called racists for white flight and similar.   What a bunch of guilt-ridden losers we've become.

 

 

[CDN1]

Open White identity politics are inevitable and necessary across the West thanks to the left's runaway ideology. Congrats!

 

Edited July 12, 2024 by CDN1

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, CDN1 said:

Open White identity politics are inevitable and necessary across the West thanks to the left's runaway ideology. Congrats!

 

Whenever the authortarian left rises, the far right will tend to rise to match it.