Gay Pride Season.

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well I think it is.  We’re still allowed to have differences of opinion, hopefully.

Yes, For now. 

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

 

1. Here's an example of activists trying to force Catholic school boards to adopt a position contrary to their religious beliefs on that very subject.

2. I think the public optics here are just horrid and any potential win comes at a such a high cost that it renders the fight itself wildly counterproductive.

3. This is what creates backlash, fuels division, creates polarization, leads to winner take all elections, and causes previously tolerant and good natured people to make hard right turns in the search for a return to common sense. 

4. A lot of gains have been made here so why not just take yes as an answer and avoid the looming backlash altogether?

5. All you had to do to lock in those gains was not be crazy...  and you couldn't do it. I call it bad tactics when the worst thing for your cause is a win.

 

 

 

 

1. Why 'force' ? Can't you also say that people who are against flying It are trying to force the board to not fly the flag ? 

Selective use of the word force for one group versus another is a pretty transparent attempt to demonize one side. 

2. Why?

3. Why ?  Because you used the word forced?  The Catholic Board makes a decision, and I would say they're changing their attitude towards LGBTQ+ to be consistent with the ideology.

A friend of mine, a gay teacher, died and the priest at the funeral celebrated the devotion of his husband. His husband. Are you going to try and say that somebody forced that? I don't think that's what happened.

4. For my part I would say the backlash is artificial, and created as part of a new wave of divisive politics.  I find the movement dishonest, and cynical.

 Sometimes backlashes get backlashes. 

5. Why me? I'm not part of this movement? I'm just part of the public. 

When I stop hearing these groups talking about agenda 30 and WEF threats, then I will be glad that politics is back to normal.

 

 

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

So you are passionate to the Nth degree on every topic.. I have a hard time believing that. A person can only care about so many things. 

I just do not care to carry on this conversation with you. I am indifferent about it LOL

It is a dead horse now.

Edited June 15, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Why 'force' ? Can't you also say that people who are against flying It are trying to force the board to not fly the flag ? 

Selective use of the word force for one group versus another is a pretty transparent attempt to demonize one side. 

2. Why?

3. Why ?  Because you used the word forced?  The Catholic Board makes a decision, and I would say they're changing their attitude towards LGBTQ+ to be consistent with the ideology.

A friend of mine, a gay teacher, died and the priest at the funeral celebrated the devotion of his husband. His husband. Are you going to try and say that somebody forced that? I don't think that's what happened.

4. For my part I would say the backlash is artificial, and created as part of a new wave of divisive politics.  I find the movement dishonest, and cynical.

 Sometimes backlashes get backlashes. 

5. Why me? I'm not part of this movement? I'm just part of the public. 

When I stop hearing these groups talking about agenda 30 and WEF threats, then I will be glad that politics is back to normal.

 

 

Homosexual lifestyles and non-biological gender are in direct contradiction to Catholic doctrine.  Defending that doctrine and ensuring that mixed messages are not sent to followers is the mandate of the Catholic Church and Catholic schools, because Catholics believe that the salvation of souls is the core mission of life.  You don’t have to be Catholic or religious, but it’s absurd to say that one has a right to be religious without adhering to the beliefs of the respective faith.

Secular pressure is overriding longstanding democratic rights like religious freedom and freedom of speech, even women’s and children’s rights, in unprecedented ways.

It’s not about being mean to people.  We don’t say the serial killer is good because God made him that way.  We as Christians say God loves everyone but doesn’t approve of all behaviour.  That’s the major fallacy and ideological creep underway: I can tolerate or even love someone in a universal God loves all His children sense, but that doesn’t mean I have to support how everyone lives or the choices people make.  We are not only entitled to moral perspectives; our society would break down in significant ways without the aspiration toward leading the good life, even if the details might vary among the best moral perspectives.

People are being asked or even required to violate their morality and conscience in significant ways.  Not only is that likely to receive a political backlash; it must be challenged.  You don’t get to make me pretend that blue is orange or that what I believe is wrong is just fine.  If you start pushing dubious values on kids in schools, you’re inviting extreme cultural and political war, which is what we have.  The Christians didn’t start this; the LGBTQ2S+ lobby did, even after receiving the legal rights supporting lifestyles or self-proclaimed identities that many people think are wrong or dubious. Fly your flag of choice, but don’t make others fly it.

Edited June 15, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Venandi]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

People are being asked or even required to violate their morality and conscience in significant ways.

 

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Fly your flag of choice, but don’t make others fly it.

That's it in a nutshell for me, or at least it was. Taking a run at churches seems like a tactical blunder to me.

Frankly, I feel a bit duped by all of this and have come to regret the previous level of tolerance and goodwill I once defended on their behalf. It's gotten to the point that I'm now ready for that hard right turn and my only fear is that the conservatives won't be conservative enough.

That's why I question the bullying tactics here, what do they hope to gain by alienating the very people who once supported reasonable accommodations in the spirit of goodwill and tolerance? I think I'm pretty moderate by nature, they really had to work overtime to make me regret it, and since it took a deliberate and sustained effort, there must have been some potential gain in mind. What was it?

Seems like a loss to me...

Edited June 15, 2024 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Why 'force' ? Can't you also say that people who are against flying It are trying to force the board to not fly the flag ? 

Selective use of the word force for one group versus another is a pretty transparent attempt to demonize one side. 

Nonsense.

First off they are mandating that somebody has to do something. That is essentially forcing. They could choose to leave it up to the individual school to make that decision. That would not be forcing.

And because of the symbolic nature of anything flown on the flagpoles they should always be consensus about whatever your flying because that's something that you support. It is not forcing anybody to do anything if you are simply saying that the flagpole should be used for their intended purpose and not for the support of contentious groups.

Will you also be allowing the flying of white supremacist flags, perhaps Nazi Flags, anything like that? If a group of trustees got into power that demanded that that be a thing and that those flags be flown even if a significant percentage of the school disagreed with it, would you be here demanding that they have the right to do so and that "forcing" them not to was unfairly 'demonizing' them?

 

When you set one group apart as being "better" and more "worthy" than other groups you spread hatred and division and that is PRECISELY what we're seeing in Canada. 

They've been pushing this for close to a decade now. Would you say that by any measures that we have available crimes against homosexuals and trans are going down? Is online hatred going down? Are we winning?

 

No? Gee, imagine that

 

[West]

Yes I'm not sure why we must celebrate a man putting his penis in another man's anus for a full month. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, West said:

... a man putting his penis in another man's anus for a full month. 

How would that even work?? 🤔 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

How would that even work?? 🤔 

Lots of KY Jelly, and painkillers.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Venandi said:

That's it in a nutshell for me, or at least it was. Taking a run at churches seems like a tactical blunder to me.

Hypocritical, too.

Plus, I personally got sick of how many name changes the group made. They literally are the Prince of social groups.

Once I no longer felt I could be a part of the group, due to it being taken over by extremists, did I stop listening to its message.

I have been accepting of the LGBTQ community since childhood. 

They are everywhere. You sort if have no choice. 

I draw the line at being told how to think, and being shamed for asking questions.

Like how your symbol went from a happy rainbow, to this:

Tilted down 90 degrees, it starts looking more like an illuminati emblem, but pushing socialism and using this cause to muscle their way in with little to no resistance.

 

[Zeitgeist]

People are far more than their sexual desires or identities.  The attempt to define people this way and reduce them to these group identities ignores what is most important about people.

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

People are far more than their sexual desires or identities.  The attempt to define people this way and reduce them to these group identities ignores what is most important about people.

There's truth in this, but also in the fact that our romantic partnerships are a visible aspect of our social currency.

How to integrate this into a society?  You don't.  It happens as cultural practices change over time.

Some activists push for things, and the response is rejection, acceptance... or maybe a shrug.

Social media and internet squabbles eschew the shrug because it kills threads 😉.  

[ExFlyer]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

People are far more than their sexual desires or identities.  The attempt to define people this way and reduce them to these group identities ignores what is most important about people.

I agree but...what if it is the "group" itself that defines and identifies as such?

Claiming that the demonstration and celebration are only to gain "equality" and eliminate discrimination demeans them.

[Michael Hardner]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I agree but...what if it is the "group" itself that defines and identifies as such?

Claiming that the demonstration and celebration are only to gain "equality" and eliminate discrimination demeans them.

If it's being done dishonesty then yes.  But other than interpretation I don't see any gay groups saying the opposite, ie. That people are no more than their sexual desires or identities.

[I am Groot]

On 6/13/2024 at 5:58 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

1.  Some schools put up Pride flags during the month and give outright support like teachers/admin speeches in celebrating "Pride month".  This is different than teaching the existence of Pride month as a fact within a classroom.

There's no need to even teach about 'pride month'. Anymore than other religious or group celebrations. And some schools do a helluva lot more than just put up a flag. Remember this absurd celebration at a school last year? This is not merely informing. This is grooming. This is making all those little kids who don't even know what sex is think "Gee, I wish I was gay too! It must be really special! How do I become gay too!?" 

It's not exactly a surprise that with adults pushing this sort of message the number of young people identifying as gay/lesbian has skyrocketed.

 

On 6/13/2024 at 5:58 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

I don't know what's the opposite of "Pride", or the conservative version of Pride.

That would be teaching the sanctity of the male/female relationship, complete with marriage and children, and that anything else is lessor. 

 

On 6/13/2024 at 5:58 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Disagree.  We're talking about it right now, therefore there's some controversy around it.  If Alberta public schools started preaching anti-trans stuff it would also be controversial, though most in AB would probably agree with it.

Most of Canada.

The trans explosion is due entirely to the wildly overblown hype and the way the Left, including schools have treated anyone declaring trans as something like a holy and sacred person. It excuses all ills, all errors, and is way better than Gladue at getting you exempted from punishment. Tons of confused kids, kids with mental or emotional health issues have latched onto it to excuse their ongoing problems.

Edited June 16, 2024 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nonsense.

First off they are mandating that somebody has to do something. That is essentially forcing. They could choose to leave it up to the individual school to make that decision. That would not be forcing.

Not just flying a flag, but celebrating it. Even the Ontario PCs (Pretend Conservatives) have issued a stern warning that schools are required to 'celebrate' gay pride. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

There's truth in this, but also in the fact that our romantic partnerships are a visible aspect of our social currency.

How to integrate this into a society?  You don't.  It happens as cultural practices change over time.

Some activists push for things, and the response is rejection, acceptance... or maybe a shrug.

Social media and internet squabbles eschew the shrug because it kills threads 😉.  

Well, and while it's true that people aren't their sexuality it's ALSO true that their sexuality winds up dictating a lot of what they are. 

Married heteros who believe in families tend to wind up immersing themselves in that community, just for practical reasons. The kids play together, couples like to spend time with other couples, they have similar interests and concerns, etc. It's not exclusive but it tends to be that way and that definitely colours who they are. 

Likewise with gays, they tend to spend time in that community primarily. For the same reason, common concerns common hopes and dreams, and the food is amazing.

And so on.

Whether we like it or not our sexuality winds up playing a very large role in our personal development and where we're at outside of the bedroom  as well, and that's before you get any moral or religious beliefs involved. 

[West]

It's only a matter of time before some woke jackass gets offended by Father's Day being during the queer month and they try taking that away from us too

[Michael Hardner]

51 minutes ago, West said:

It's only a matter of time before some woke jackass gets offended by Father's Day being during the queer month and they try taking that away from us too

🤔. Because.... Gay men don't have fathers?  Because they don't have kids,?

Sounds like this guy you made up in your mind is really getting you angry, even though he's NEVER GOING TO EVEN EXIST!

 

What an a5s hole he is!

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Gay men don't have fathers?

No. They have fathersssss *snaps fingers in Z formation*

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

🤔. Because.... Gay men don't have fathers?  Because they don't have kids,?

Because they don't have any respect for fathers and mothers. They are already demanding that those people have no rights in relation to their children. They constantly insist that given half a chance most parents would beat and harm their child if they found out they were gay/trans.  Parents are too dangerous to risk gay/trans children telling them the truth after all.

And those parents should have NO rights when it comes to what is taught to their children. It's racist to suggest otherwise. 

and at the end of the day they've shown that everything has to be about them.  If fathers get a father's day, or mother's get a mother's day, then gays want a whole MONTH for themselves! 

Mike - we both know that it's entirely in keeping with the recent "activism" that they would claim that fathers or mother's day is 'non inclusive' and demand that it either end or be changed to non-gender-specific 'custodian' day or the like. 

So lets not pretend to be shocked at the suggestion. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

No. They have fathersssss *snaps fingers in Z formation*

Lol!  He must be talking about their indentured non gender specific necessities goods and services suppliers. I know not of this "Father" thing he speaks of

-the lgbtq2rmouse community, probably

[Guest]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They constantly insist that given half a chance most parents would beat and harm their child if they found out they were gay/trans.  Parents are too dangerous to risk gay/trans children telling them the truth after all.

A teacher clearly can do a better job at raising one's child. All 30 to 40 of them. O_o

I still remember my mother reaming out a principal for suspending me for fighting (a bully had cornered me, trying to beat me into a pulp to a cheering crowd, but quickly realized I wasn't backing up because of fear--I really didn't want to fight). 

I eventually retaliated, heavy handed.

Long story short, I remember the principal questioning how I was raised, for the level of violence that I used. Had called my mother in, to scold her child in front of her. I had told her everything, so she knew I was being honest.

Ever see a black immigrant mother laugh, but you know that laugh really means you have about 5 seconds to realign your statement or you about to get that a** beat?

She literally reminded the principal how many times I had gone for help, only to realize I would have to use violence an end to the bullying myself. She had raised me to stick up for myself at all costs, but to never engage in violence, unprovoked.

Point am making, is parents typically know what is best for their kids.

She was proud of me for sticking up for myself. The principal was totally clueless for putting me at fault for self defense, with many witnesses who stated the same.

Its precisely this level of thinking, behind feeling you know better for a gender confused child that you have literally peddled gender confusing material to.

Add insult to injury, blaming the parents for the higher suicide rates among such youth, even when corrective measures are taken regarding gender affirmation.

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

1. A teacher clearly can do a better job at raising one's child. 

2. I still remember my mother...

1. Yes, sometimes they very much can.
2. Your anecdotes might be interesting but as I have pointed out, to think that the constitute evidence or are even convincing to the rest of us is mistaken.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes, sometimes they very much can.

No, they can not.  A parent is always a better guardian.  iF the parent isn't doing their job then they need to be taken away from that parent and placed with a different parent, but teachers are NOT parents and can NOT do the job of parenting. 

The arrogance is absolutely stunning. 

 

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2. Your anecdotes might be interesting but as I have pointed out, to think that the constitute evidence or are even convincing to the rest of us is mistaken.

Common story actually.  I had a similar experience in school. And it's worth noting that you can't speak against it or address it, you can only try to dismiss it 

@Perspektiv is quite right, and it's a chronic complaint.  There are good teachers and bad teachers, period.  And not one of them is a good parent in their role as teacher.