Gay Pride Season.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm not a big tech guy, I don't spend much time on my iPhone

but what a boon it is for driving

Waze navigation crowd sourced alerts for speed traps and cameras

I caught an OPP county mountie moving into his speed trap today even

proudly ratted him out to the Wazers

Driving with Waze in Toronto is surreal.  You find yourself in a traffic jam on Strathmore or Duplex, or Hallam or Garden Ave with all the other Wazers...

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Driving with Waze in Toronto is surreal.  You find yourself in a traffic jam on Strathmore or Duplex, or Hallam or Garden Ave with all the other Wazers...

the biggest speed trap in the 6ix is Parkside Drive south of Bloor to the Lakeshore

first they reduced the speed limit on Parkside to a ridiculous 40km/h "Community Safety Zone Fines Increased"

then right at the bottom, before you go under the train bridge, there is a speed camera set up to nail you

Nanny Police State run amok

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

1. the biggest speed trap in the 6ix is Parkside Drive south of Bloor to the Lakeshore

2. first they reduced the speed limit on Parkside to a ridiculous 40km/h "Community Safety Zone Fines Increased"

3. ... then right at the bottom, before you go under the train bridge, there is a speed camera set up to nail you

4. Nanny Police State run amok

1. I now it sell.
2. if you live in Toronto then 40 km/h feels blindingly fast though.  This is something that informs us that sense memory can change ... it is very elastic.
3. 😮  you prolly just saved me a ticket
4. G_d d_mn RIGHT.  It's almost like you can't kill a kid with your carelessness anymore.. what a world...

[Dougie93]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

 😮  you prolly just saved me a ticket

reportedly, they make $17 million a month, just nailing people on Parkside Drive to the Lakeshore

it's like King John & The Sheriff of Nottingham collecting taxes from the poor, Robin Hood

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

every school, every government.. you are quite the master of hyperbole and exaggeration. 

Am I? The Ontario provincial government sternly reminded schools last year that celebrating pride was not a matter of choice. They were required to celebrate it. That's an allegedly conservative government. Do you imagine our federal government under the Liberals is less enthusiastic about embracing every single aspect of gayness? Do you know any city government that refuses?

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Am I? The Ontario provincial government sternly reminded schools last year that celebrating pride was not a matter of choice. They were required to celebrate it. That's an allegedly conservative government. Do you imagine our federal government under the Liberals is less enthusiastic about embracing every single aspect of gayness? Do you know any city government that refuses?

I know plenty of cities and counties in the US that do not. would take me all day to list them all. 

 

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I know plenty of cities and counties in the US that do not. would take me all day to list them all. 

 

If you know some that do then your point is moot. 

[Zeitgeist]

30 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I know plenty of cities and counties in the US that do not. would take me all day to list them all. 

 

Canada has been ideologically captured by the radical left, including most Conservatives.

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you know some that do then your point is moot. 

Just because a city sanctions a gay pride parade.. does not mean that the citizens have to acknowledge it or attend it. 

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Just because a city sanctions a gay pride parade.. does not mean that the citizens have to acknowledge it or attend it. 

I agree with the idea that there's a mass morality at play, and that governments and cities are not just sanctioning but jumping on the bandwagon.

And I agree that it effectively excludes certain groups from the public square.  And that's a negative effect.

But when a populist like Ford gets involved, you know it's because the numbers are telling him to.  The angle that these festivals are unpopular doesn't compute.

I think that some social conservative types can't accept that they're in the minority.

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree with the idea that there's a mass morality at play, and that governments and cities are not just sanctioning but jumping on the bandwagon.

And I agree that it effectively excludes certain groups from the public square.  And that's a negative effect.

But when a populist like Ford gets involved, you know it's because the numbers are telling him to.  The angle that these festivals are unpopular doesn't compute.

I think that some social conservative types can't accept that they're in the minority.

The issue isn’t whether such parades should be allowed to take place, it’s whether the views of the organizers/supporters of these events should be able to impose their views on the public.   Our free speech rights in Canada are proving to be weak in that regard, and other rights are impacted, such as religious freedom.  You notice it when the publicly funded school your child attends, a “Catholic” one at that, has a massive pride flag draped in the foyer all year.  Many parents don’t want this and they weren’t asked.  The people defending these policies don’t seem to understand why this symbol might be problematic, especially for people who know the teachings of their faith.  It’s clearly being pushed by some people on everyone.  The fact that there doesn’t seem to be any recourse for parents in most of Canada says a lot. In public schools one cannot post religious symbols, but the pride flag gets endorsed.  

Edited June 21, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Venandi]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Many parents don’t want this and they weren’t asked.

And avoiding It is probably why they sent their kids to a Catholic school in the first place.

That's my problem with all of this, and frankly, the arrogance of it is breathtaking.

People used to say "well, if you don't like it send your kids to either a Catholic or a private school, now they seem to be saying "FU, if you don't like it don't look." That's why I feel duped, it's as if I helped them do this. 

Too much of too much for me, it's all over now. That's why the hard right turn and the resolve to support no further DEI type initiatives. It's a hard  nonnegotiable no... and they worked hard for that no.

Sometimes all ya have to do to get along with people is nothing. Mind your own business, live your own life and extend that self same courtesy to others... especially those who signed your damn petition in the first place.

[Queenmandy85]

Statistically, about 2.5 million voters are gay given that 9% of people are gay. That figure does not include heterosexual cross dressers who, though they are straight, and make up almost 90% of the crossdressing community, have some affilliation with the LGBTQ community. That is a lot of voters. Every political leader is aware of that. Mr. Poilievre is particularly sensitive to the rights of Canadians who belong to the rainbow community. More power to him.

As for schools, they have a duty of care. That means, if there is a Catholic school with 300 students, 27 of those students will, statistically, be gay. In order to protect those students from bullying, the school should educate the student population  that being gay is not an excuse for bullying anymore than being black. We all have friends and family members in the LGBTQ community whether we know it or not. Their sexual orientation has no bearing on the merit of their character. In any group of people, most are nice people and a few are jerks.

Pride parades not only bring in a lot of business and tax revenue, they are also a lot of fun. My only issue is the recent issue brought forward by some groups, of not allowing law enforcement members to march in uniform. (According to Leviticus, law enforcement uniforms are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, just like being gay.)

Pete Buttigieg told Mike Pence "if you have a problem with who I am, your quarrel is not with me. Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator." 

 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Queenmandy85
Forgot the Pete Buttigieg quote

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

And avoiding It is probably why they sent their kids to a Catholic school in the first place.

Most Catholics are progressing, with the rest of the country.

https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-catholics-support-same-sex-relationships

 

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Most Catholics are progressing, with the rest of the country.

https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-catholics-support-same-sex-relationships

what's to say that it couldn't change course precipitously ?

in 1923,  Wiemar Germany was the most Progressive state that ever existed

Wiemar Germany was the gayest most transgender accepting place on earth

yet only a decade later, it was the Third Reich

[Dougie93]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that some social conservative types can't accept that they're in the minority.

I would suggest that social conservatives need only bide their time and wait out

as the secular Progressive ideology simply implodes under its own weight

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

And avoiding It is probably why they sent their kids to a Catholic school in the first place.

That's my problem with all of this, and frankly, the arrogance of it is breathtaking.

People used to say "well, if you don't like it send your kids to either a Catholic or a private school, now they seem to be saying "FU, if you don't like it don't look." That's why I feel duped, it's as if I helped them do this. 

Too much of too much for me, it's all over now. That's why the hard right turn and the resolve to support no further DEI type initiatives. It's a hard  nonnegotiable no... and they worked hard for that no.

stabbed in the back by the Progressive elites ;

is quite clearly the ascendant zeitgeist across Europe & the Anglosphere

[Michael Hardner]

35 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

what's to say that it couldn't change course precipitously ?

in 1923,  Wiemar Germany was the most Progressive state that ever existed

Wiemar Germany was the gayest most transgender accepting place on earth

yet only a decade later, it was the Third Reich

Well, sure.  But the example is unsettling.

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I would suggest that social conservatives need only bide their time and wait out

as the secular Progressive ideology simply implodes under its own weight

Hegel talked about the march of history and it lurches and steps back but doesn't LEAP back.  We're not going to have a Handmaid's Tale situation nor will we enslave blacks, at least not in the way we have done.  It won't fly.

The moral mob has its usefulness too.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, sure.  But the example is unsettling.

I am merely extrapolating a trajectory based on the mounting catastrophic failures of the Progressive elites

whom are turning to authoritarian attempts to stamp out all dissent against their rule therein

that seems likely to blowback on an exponential scale

certainly to the disadvantage of all minority groups

while I don't expect Aryan National Socialists to seize power in Canada

I would none the less suggest that there is a petit bourgeois majority

which is seething with rage against the status quo, to include against the overbearing Rainbow Mafia

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am merely extrapolating a trajectory based on the mounting catastrophic failures of the Progressive elites

whom are turning to authoritarian attempts to stamp out all dissent against their rule therein

that seems likely to blowback on an exponential scale

certainly to the disadvantage of all minority groups

while I don't expect Aryan National Socialists to seize power in Canada

I would none the less suggest that there is a petit bourgeois majority

which is seething with rage against the status quo, to include against the overbearing Rainbow Mafia

Likely ?  Only if people buy into scapgoating the way the German people did.  As we discussed, the rockbed of all of this happening is the economy.

To add: there's no majority seething against the social status quo that I can see.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Likely ?  Only if people buy into scapgoating the way the German people did.  As we discussed, the rockbed of all of this happening is the economy.

and the economy is literally a giant Wiemar Republic across the entire Western World

I of course acknowledge that the catalyst is economic collapse and militarized nationalism

hence why I invoke Wiemar writ large

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

To add: there's no majority seething against the social status quo that I can see.

perhaps you simply cannot see it from the Progressive stronghold in downtown Toronto

[Dougie93]

27 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hegel talked about the march of history and it lurches and steps back but doesn't LEAP back.  We're not going to have a Handmaid's Tale situation nor will we enslave blacks, at least not in the way we have done.  It won't fly.

yet Margaret Atwood herself has invoked that Canada is succumbing to totalitarian ideologies

and the Democratic Party Plantation Aristocracy lives, employing blacks as overseers against other blacks still

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

1. Margaret Atwood herself has invoked that Canada is succumbing to totalitarian ideologies

2. the Democratic Party Plantation Aristocracy lives, employing blacks as overseers against other blacks still

 

1. What better way to make an old book relevant and maybe option more series ?
2. Well in that case it never died did it ?

[Dougie93]

36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The moral mob has its usefulness too.

I side with the Nazarene against it

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What better way to make an old book relevant and maybe option more series ?

 I would never imply that Margaret Atwood was so cynical

she doesn't care about making more money, she's perfectly content with her life at this juncture

have you seen her lately ?

she's a very old woman, with nothing to gain, nothing to lose