By questioning verdict delivered by the citizens Republicans edge ever closer to a totalitarian cult

[myata]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Don't you think it's rather troubling that someone runs their campaign with a promise of going after one specific person?

I would find it troubling. Going after anybody personally: as opposed to serious violations of law cannot be the objective of democracy. Still, the system has checks against arbitrary prosecution. Grand jury, jury trial. The mob wants to throw it all away for one reason that it went against their wishes. That brings to the fore the essence of this issue: the mob wants to control the outcome of justice. It wants to run it, plain and clear. They say it, openly. And that would be the end of democracy. Obviously.

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, myata said:

I would find it troubling. Going after anybody personally: as opposed to serious violations of law cannot be the objective of democracy. Still, the system has checks against arbitrary prosecution. Grand jury, jury trial. 

All of whom must follow the rules laid out by the very same legal people who vowed to get donald trump. 

The instructions to the jury should be troubling enough.  He literally said we don't need you all to agree in order to consider you unanimous. 

Can you point to a trial that happened in previously? No?

Doesn't look like someone using the legal system to go after someone personally is THAT troubling for you. 

Which is good  it'll be the new normal now. 

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Hating Joe is the only thing we got.

--MAGA CULT

I think conservatives dislike Joe. We think he has displayed cognitive decline and he is corrupt. But it doesn't come close to the same intensity of those against Trump.

On the flip side, progressives have UNBRIDLED INTENSE HATRED for Trump. If we believe the rhetoric coming from the left, Trump is without question the most heinous, vicious dictator that the world has ever seen.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I think conservatives dislike Joe. We think he has displayed cognitive decline and he is corrupt. But it doesn't come close to the same intensity of those against Trump.

On the flip side, progressives have UNBRIDLED INTENSE HATRED for Trump. If we believe the rhetoric coming from the left, Trump is without question the most heinous, vicious dictator that the world has ever seen.

For sure.   if hitler was alive today and someone said he was 'just like trump' he'd be offended if the left were to be believed.   

But i suspect they'll hate the next one just as much regardless.  IF it's a woman she'll be a 'handmaiden', if it's a black guy it'll be an 'uncle tom', they've said that about women and blacks they don't like already.  Remember when they claimed that mit romney was going to put blacks back in chains? 

They might hate trump especially right now but the fact is they hate EVERYONE who doesn't agree with them.  The ultimate xenophobes. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

You are under a strong delusion

OTC, I get extensive news from many sources. You're repeating FOS LIES.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Really are you this dumb? Maybe you need to stop watching MSDNC.

Everything costs 20% more now than it did 4 years ago and inflation is still well over 3% which is still high.

3% is only 1% higher than the range which has been the Fed target for 2 decades. AKA, not very high.

2 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Crime is out of control in Democratic cities, retail stores are running from Democrat cities due to uncontrolled shoplifting.

That is a LIE. What you've seen is a very few high profile events on FOS LIES which blows it out of proportion in an effort to discredit Biden. That's why you have posted NO EVIDENCE.

2 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Uncontrolled immigration? Anyone with a clue know that is true

Immigration was very high. Now it is MUCH LOWER. AKA, old news that is no longer true.

And it was high because of foreign conditions, nothing else.

2 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

Biden himself said he was going to let Trumps tax cuts expire which WILL increase everyone's taxes.

Minor increases for the low to mid incomes. Trump tax cuts are majorly for corporations and very high incomes.

[West]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

OTC, I get extensive news from many sources. You're repeating FOS LIES.

It's all the same from Media Matters controlled by lefties who believe you should rid the world of individualism and religion

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I think conservatives dislike Joe. We think he has displayed cognitive decline and he is corrupt.

Only because Trump has been pushing that line and FOS LIES is repeating HIS LIES.

That's why the House RepubliCONS have failed to find ANY REASON for their impeachment campaign and been thoroughly humiliated by the FAILURE of multiple planned witnieses.

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

But it doesn't come close to the same intensity of those against Trump.

Because Trump is a scofflaw that violates every ethical standard.

He's lost 4 major fraud lawsuits in the last 7 years.

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

On the flip side, progressives have U NBRIDLED INTENSE HATRED for Trump. If we believe the rhetoric coming from the left, Trump is without question the most heinous, vicious dictator that the world has ever seen.

No, he just wants to be a dictator. Heinous is yet to come.

4 minutes ago, West said:

It's all the same from Media Matters controlled by lefties who believe you should rid the world of individualism and religion

I haven't read MM in years. Duh

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[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, robosmith said:

OTC, I get extensive news from many sources. You're repeating FOS LIES.

The voices in your head arent' "Many sources" even if there's a lot of them. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

On the flip side, progressives have UNBRIDLED INTENSE HATRED for Trump. If we believe the rhetoric coming from the left, Trump is without question the most heinous, vicious dictator that the world has ever seen.

He has the capacity to be exactly that--or at least among their ranks. He's an amoral narcissist. A compulsive liar. And likely a sociopath. He has no redeeming qualities and is the last person who should ever be entrusted with a position of authority. 

And I mean that I'm all seriousness. I'm not exaggerating. I don't have to. You people like to hand-wave it away, but he quite literally tried to stage a soft coup after losing the election. It's never happened in the history of the Republic. It's so unthinkable, we have no laws or protocols on place to deal with a faithless executive.

The ONLY reason that we didn't immediately enter a constitutional crisis--a potentially explosive crisis--is that Mike Pence stayed true to the sacred oath that Trump abandoned.

Trump represents an existential crisis. He's shown us directly that this is true. And yet there are people who still will support him. For whatever bizarre reason, they value this awful man more than they value the nation.

 

[ironstone]

20 minutes ago, Hodad said:

He has the capacity to be exactly that--or at least among their ranks. He's an amoral narcissist. A compulsive liar. And likely a sociopath. He has no redeeming qualities and is the last person who should ever be entrusted with a position of authority. 

And I mean that I'm all seriousness. I'm not exaggerating. I don't have to. You people like to hand-wave it away, but he quite literally tried to stage a soft coup after losing the election. It's never happened in the history of the Republic. It's so unthinkable, we have no laws or protocols on place to deal with a faithless executive.

The ONLY reason that we didn't immediately enter a constitutional crisis--a potentially explosive crisis--is that Mike Pence stayed true to the sacred oath that Trump abandoned.

Trump represents an existential crisis. He's shown us directly that this is true. And yet there are people who still will support him. For whatever bizarre reason, they value this awful man more than they value the nation.

 

Out of curiosity, can you name which dictators you think Trump is similar to, equal to, or worse than?

[gatomontes99]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

You're DELUSIONAL. Joe has NEVER "bid" me to do anything.

That's my point. You do what he needs you to do, but he never has to tell you to do it. Same thing happens with the MSM and all the surrogates. They don't have to told what to do, they just do it.

So why would he habe to tell the jury what to do? They've had 24/7/365 drumming of comvict him at all cost messaging from every news and print outlet in the state. They knew what to do.

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

Out of curiosity, can you name which dictators you think Trump is similar to, equal to, or worse than?

Note that I said he had the capacity to join those ranks. He certainly has the character to join those ranks. 

Our institutions held this time, if just barely.  They are not as robust as we imagined though. They have never been tested the way Trump and his enablers tested them. Nor are we prepared for the way he would test them if he has another opportunity.

It CAN happen here if we allow it.

 

Edited June 3 by Hodad

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

That's my point. You do what he needs you to do, but he never has to tell you to do it. Same thing happens with the MSM and all the surrogates. They don't have to told what to do, they just do it.

Your "point" is DELUSIONAL. You're just IMAGINING I KNOW what Joe wants me to do. 

I would say Joe PROBABLY wants me to back his policy in Israel, but I DO NOT. Duh

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

So why would he habe to tell the jury what to do? They've had 24/7/365 drumming of comvict him at all cost messaging from every news and print outlet in the state. They knew what to do.

^More delusional. FOS LIES, among many others, is NOT doing that in NY state.

Edited June 3 by robosmith

[myata]

10 hours ago, ironstone said:

progressives have UNBRIDLED INTENSE HATRED

This is a broad generalization, and at a time of critical choice, when the reason and responsibility have to be in the forefront of any important decision, what good does it do to speak in vague generalities as opposed to precise and concrete specifics of the problems?

Is America, and West in general facing an uncertainty? Almost certainly. This is a product of the decades of the development of a society that wanted only to please itself, party and forget about any troubles. So it's running into a slow phase and eventually, dead end. It always works this way in evolution. Lose your edge, ignore the need to change and adapt and you begin coasting, then into slow decline and so on. Is Biden the cause of it, the ultimate evil? That's the "thinking" of an underdeveloped baby or the throat for brain cult. Just dumb: or deceitful.

Have both parties, the self-centered and caring political system contributed to this state of affairs? Definitely. Is there a simple, magical word way out of it? Yes. That of hot steam loudmouth bullshit claims and promises. Will it work? Yes and no: for the bullshitter quite possibly, for you: no. Never has. Not me, only the history. See, we know something already.

Who are "progressives"? How do you define this group? Yes there may be people who hate him and those who see him for what he is: a loudmouth zero principles and integrity populist throat full of itself that loves to cuddle with dictator thugs. Just loves them, naturally. With understanding, there's no need for hate, see?

Back to reason and responsibility: I understand and insist that no one making this decision out of these considerations will make this choice. Impossible. Just doesn't match. Two plus two is not zero. Zero cannot be stretched to not zero by any lying words and any volume of those. Just doesn't match. And no hate here. Easy?

 

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, myata said:

With understanding, there's no need for hate, see?

Great post.

The root of the problem is a theme of coddling and perpetual affirmation that tells folks they're never wrong.  You see many posts on here (RePolitics - which is ostensibly a forum for better dialogue) delegitimizing entire viewpoints and cultures rather than talking about solutions.

It's a symptom of politics' degeneration into angertainment and insult sports.

[myata]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's a symptom of politics' degeneration into angertainment and insult sports.

Indeed. Laziness (mental including) plays an essential role in the evolution but we never know where to stop.

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

perpetual affirmation that tells folks they're never wrong. 

Spot on. The nature works by trial and error. It means that some will be wrong and have to be remembered to do better in the next one. That's wrong! We disagree! Let's vote no rebel against the evolution yes we can. And so the story goes.

Edited June 3 by myata

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

Hating Joe is the only thing we got.

--MAGA CULT

Oh no, dumbass, we've got so much more than that. 

Haven't you read these yet? I suggest you do.  

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47

 

[Deluge]

On 6/1/2024 at 12:37 PM, myata said:

1. This is clearly stretching words to the point where they couldn't mean anything. If justice system is "rigged" that is, undermining one of the key democratic institutions: then what's the point of appealing to the rigged system, that itself can be claimed "rigged" if it wouldn't go the desired way? Is it an instrument that is necessary and works for all citizens, or a toy that has to work always for me? Really, they haven't a clue.

2. No it's worth than undemocratic: it's not even having a clue what democracy is about: the laws applied to all citizens equally, if it doesn't or wouldn't work in my favor (not equally).

3. And the main point is missed of course: whatever another citizens said, can be a matter for a discussion; it cannot be the cause for persecution. In a democracy that is; totalitarianism  is a different story. And this is how we know the difference.

1. Oh, the NY system's rigged - you can bet your ass on that one. It's why Trump is going to have to go all the way up to the Supreme Court. True justice won't be satisfied until the SC smacks those banana marxists down. Trump will be your president, and it might be smart for Bragg, James and the rest of those left-wing cultists to pack their shit and relocate to a different country. 

2. You definitely don't know what a democracy is. TRUE democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting for what's for dinner. That's why we have a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, instead. 

3. The main point is that Trump haters want Trump's head and they'll do anything (including rig trials) to get it. This is a political witch hunt - nothing more. 

[ironstone]

4 hours ago, myata said:

Yes there may be people who hate him and those who see him for what he is: a loudmouth zero principles and integrity populist throat full of itself that loves to cuddle with dictator thugs. Just loves them, naturally.

Gee...I think I detect some indications of hatred in that statement.😉

 

[myata]

20 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I think I detect some indications of hatred in that statement

Well you're saying it.. maybe it's not the problem with the statement then?

[Deluge]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Gee...I think I detect some indications of hatred in that statement.😉

 

Hate is all he's got. If leftoids aren't trashing Trump then they're huddling around some other jackass cause that everyone else hates; but that shit can get a cultist only so far. In the end, cultivating Trump Derangement Syndrome is their only choice. 

[Deluge]

On 6/1/2024 at 1:54 PM, herbie said:

They can stay home, spoil their ballot, write in 'none of the above' etc. Or show up at the convention an purge the Trumpoids.

Think about it: can you name any other civilized country where a candidate so deep in shit would be supported by their own party? Here? The UK, Australia, New Zealand?
Not a f^cking chance!
Run a Kim Campbell or John Turner to spare themselves of the shame. Yank them from office just like Theresa May, Thatcher, Boris Johnson.

Or they can join the leftoids, say and do really stupid shit for a while, and then rejoin the Republican party after they've pulled their heads out of their asses.  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Great post.

The root of the problem is a theme of coddling and perpetual affirmation that tells folks they're never wrong.  You see many posts on here (RePolitics - which is ostensibly a forum for better dialogue) delegitimizing entire viewpoints and cultures rather than talking about solutions.

 

You mean like calling them chuds instead of addressing their point. Or claiming that you didn't read their post because their too stupid and you don't want to hear their point of view. 

Yeah. Noticed a little of that myself.  BTW - speaking of racist, have you met pot? She's black too. 

[myata]

Reason and responsibility exclude one choice only. A range of others remain open to those who can think and do think about possible consequences of their choices. It just can't be any simpler: simply unfit.

Edited June 3 by myata