By questioning verdict delivered by the citizens Republicans edge ever closer to a totalitarian cult

[suds]

1 hour ago, myata said:

You don't have a clue how it works and you have no desire to look into and understand.

You're not exactly impressing me either bud.

[West]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump CHOSE to engage in the illegal activities which really gave the Democrats NO CHOICE but to impeach him. Esp for the 2nd one.

And BTW, Trump's conviction for election tampering is MORE evidence he was an illegitimate POTUS.

Of course we already know that since the election was decided by the razor thin margin of >>1% of the vote in 3 states, every advantage he had was CRUCIAL.

Of course he knew that Stormy getting out would kill his chances which is why he paid $130K to hide her.

Questioning is fine, inciting violence to disrupt the certification is NOT.

Coming from a guy who has not condoned political violence or the Democrat party and Media Matters fraudulent attempts to get Bill Clinton off the hook for sexual abuse of his intern

[suds]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Of course he knew that Stormy getting out would kill his chances which is why he paid $130K to hide her.

Most of us would have done the same thing if it avoided embarrassment for the family and a possible marriage breakup. I don't see it as such a big deal. The Hunter Biden laptop story was a big deal and they managed to kill that didn't they?

[West]

4 minutes ago, suds said:

Most of us would have done the same thing if it avoided embarrassment for the family and a possible marriage breakup. I don't see it as such a big deal. The Hunter Biden laptop story was a big deal and they managed to kill that didn't they?

Bill Clinton getting a BJ from his intern was a big deal, a fireable offense and ground for a civil case, but Hillary Clinton and Media Matters and JOE BIDEN among others obstructed justice in that case. 

Edited June 2 by West

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Prove it. Just cause you heard it on FOS LIES does not make it true.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/21/politico-jumps-to-make-a-folk-hero-out-of-left-wing-prosecutor-targeting-trump/

When campaigning for one of the highest-profile prosecutor offices in the country, Bragg, a former federal prosecutor, pointed to his past pursuit of Trump’s prosecution as a primary pillar of his resume.

“Bragg often reminded voters on the campaign trail that he helped sue the Trump administration ‘more than a hundred times’ as a deputy in the New York state attorney general’s office,” Reuters reported in 2021.

Bragg’s own prominent supporters amplified the attorney’s ability to pursue Trump in court as a reason to vote for him.

Bragg also ran for his current office with heavy financial support from left-wing billionaire financier George Soros. A super PAC backed by Soros, Color of Change, pledged to bankroll Bragg’s campaign with a seven-figure sum in the spring of 2021. Soon after the cash infusion, the committee pulled back $500,000 of the donation when Bragg faced allegations of sexual misconduct.

While Bragg pursues Trump’s arrest, the district attorney has unleashed violent criminals on New York City streets by refusing to seek jail time for robbery, assault, and gun possession cases. In a Wall Street Journal op-ed last year, Soros admitted to backing candidates who promised to be soft on crime, branded as “reform prosecutors.” Bragg has held up to the pledge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/letitia-james-vowed-to-target-trump-promise-kept/ar-BB1iRzUz

New York Attorney General Letitia James had promised for years during her campaign to challenge and prosecute former President Donald Trump.

[ironstone]

More of the great Alvin Bragg's record on prosecutions:

In January last year, Bragg reduced armed robbery charges to a misdemeanor for an ex-convict who threatened a drugstore owner with a knife. Last summer, Bragg freed a 16-year-old suspect who was allegedly filmed beating a New York City police officer.

While Bragg has gone soft on violent criminals, the Manhattan D.A. tried to throw the book at a bodega owner who stabbed an ex-convict in a clear act of self-defense caught on tape. Bragg initially sought to charge then-61-year-old Jose Alba with second-degree murder and sent the defendant to Riker’s Island for five days. The case was eventually dropped following public outcry, and Alba has since moved to the Dominican Republic.

According to The New York Times, major crime spiked 22 percent during Bragg’s first year. Bragg’s tenure has resulted in a city of rampant lawlessness overseen by a prosecutor laser-focused on political prosecutions.

 

 

Many New Yorkers are thrilled about this Trump conviction as their city becomes more unsafe under these lefty prosecutors. Go figure.

 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, myata said:

One needs to recognize that this is happening in a difficult social background. The political system is in a partisan deadlock. Both parties contributed to it, the increasing then extreme polarization leading to a system that is very much closed on itself and running for itself.

Then, a part of the population, and relatively soon we will find out the measure of it, prefers to forget that a working democracy is an instrument of active and responsible citizens that needs to be checked and maintained at all times. They now want to see it as a magical want that has to satisfy all tantrums and caprices and is guaranteed to work no matter what one throws at it.

This is a dangerous social and political environment. It is reminiscent of Rome's before the fall of democracy, and Germany before the fall to totalitarianism. This the political system in a partisan deadlock the path out of this conundrum is not at all clear.

Still the Republicans have a choice to make here. Giving in and falling into insanity is not an obligation and not at all certainty for any individual who has the integrity, principles and can think for themselves. If you would not resist it openly, you don't have to contribute and participate in it. Participating in madness is a choice and it will have consequences. Everyone who contributed will be held to account: if not by the courts and justice, then by the history itself.

Totalitarianism is already here. This is another sign of rising totalitarianism: "Attack Trump verdict or be exiled - a new test for Republicans".

"Larry Hogan, a moderate Republican who is running for an open Senate seat in liberal-leaning Maryland, took to social media to urge all Americans to “respect the verdict and the legal process”.

Within minutes, Chris LaCivita, a top official on Trump’s campaign, posted a crystal-clear reply to Mr Hogan: “You just ended your campaign.” The implication: if you’re not with us on this, you’re politically dead." (BBC)

It is ugly. It is disgusting. It has no explanations or excuses.

At first, it was about some lying buffoon. It could have ended there, in a community of thinking, active and responsible citizens of principle and integrity. Now the mob wants to take with it the party; and then, the country into its place of insanity.

No: no one who can think and speak for themselves, their mind and conscience has to participate in this. History shows and tells us that very clearly. There are no explanations. There may not be path back. The future of a great democracy will be decided by thinking and responsible citizens; or by a mindless mob worshiping a lying Idol. The outcomes cannot be the same. You knew it: now find the will and courage to admit it and take it to act.

Oh look, the adults who can't speak English is going to tell the rest of us what we can and cannot say 🙄

The only ugly disgusting thing here with no excuse is this legal case. It was very clearly in a front to justice and a specific attempt to interfere with the election. There is no coming back from that. That door is now open.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

 

Questioning is fine, inciting violence to disrupt the certification is NOT.

Kennedy had a saying. If you make peaceful Revolution impossible you make violent revolution inevitable.

The courts made it possible for peaceful Revolution. The democrats have closed that door and weaponized the courts for political purposes.

What happens next will be inevitable.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

Coming from a guy who has not condoned political violence or

Why would I condone political violence? LMAO

1 hour ago, West said:

the Democrat party and Media Matters fraudulent attempts to get Bill Clinton off the hook for sexual abuse of his intern

You apparently don't understand that sex between Monica and Bill was HER IDEA and she always said that.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, suds said:

Most of us would have done the same thing if it avoided embarrassment for the family and a possible marriage breakup.

The TESTIMONY and EVIDENCE clearly proves that Trump was PRIMARILY concerned about his campaign.

That's why he wasn't interested in paying the hush money until AFTER the Access Hollywood tape came out.

1 hour ago, suds said:

I don't see it as such a big deal. The Hunter Biden laptop story was a big deal and they managed to kill that didn't they?

Why do you believe it was "killed" and "a big deal"? AFAIK there IS NOTHING on it that implicates Joe in wrongdoing.

If there is, RepubliCONS would not be desperately searching for ANYTHING with which to impeach Joe.

The FACT is, it was highly SUSPECT because Rudy was in Ukraine working with Russians trying to dig up ANY dirt they could manufacture on Joe. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

Bill Clinton getting a BJ from his intern was a big deal, a fireable offense and ground for a civil case, but Hillary Clinton and Media Matters and JOE BIDEN among others obstructed justice in that case. 

You don't know what you're talking about. It was ONLY a POTENTIAL campaign problem. AKA, there was no injustice to obstruct.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/21/politico-jumps-to-make-a-folk-hero-out-of-left-wing-prosecutor-targeting-trump/

When campaigning for one of the highest-profile prosecutor offices in the country, Bragg, a former federal prosecutor, pointed to his past pursuit of Trump’s prosecution as a primary pillar of his resume.

“Bragg often reminded voters on the campaign trail that he helped sue the Trump administration ‘more than a hundred times’ as a deputy in the New York state attorney general’s office,” Reuters reported in 2021.

Bragg’s own prominent supporters amplified the attorney’s ability to pursue Trump in court as a reason to vote for him.

Bragg also ran for his current office with heavy financial support from left-wing billionaire financier George Soros. A super PAC backed by Soros, Color of Change, pledged to bankroll Bragg’s campaign with a seven-figure sum in the spring of 2021. Soon after the cash infusion, the committee pulled back $500,000 of the donation when Bragg faced allegations of sexual misconduct.

While Bragg pursues Trump’s arrest, the district attorney has unleashed violent criminals on New York City streets by refusing to seek jail time for robbery, assault, and gun possession cases. In a Wall Street Journal op-ed last year, Soros admitted to backing candidates who promised to be soft on crime, branded as “reform prosecutors.” Bragg has held up to the pledge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/letitia-james-vowed-to-target-trump-promise-kept/ar-BB1iRzUz

New York Attorney General Letitia James had promised for years during her campaign to challenge and prosecute former President Donald Trump.

Strange that a search for that story on Bragg comes up with NO CORROBORATION for "The Federalist" story.

But I did find this:

Who is Alvin Bragg? District attorney who prosecuted Trump says he was just doing his job

Quote

When Alvin Bragg took office as Manhattan district attorney in 2022, he stunned the public and his own staff by pausing an investigation into former President Donald Trump that appeared to be hurtling toward an indictment.

Two top prosecutors were so upset with the decision, they quit. One called Bragg’s hesitation to bring a case against Trump “a grave failure of justice.”

Now, Bragg has cemented his place in history as the first prosecutor to win a criminal conviction of a former U.S. president.

Speaking after the verdict Thursday, Bragg summed up his role by saying, simply, “I did my job.”

“Our job is to follow the facts and the law without fear or favor, and that’s exactly what we did here,” he told reporters.

Trump and his supporters insist Bragg, a Democrat, had a vendetta against the former president and presumptive Republican nominee. He has relentlessly accused Bragg of manufacturing a baseless case for political reasons.

I find it curious that no source seems to corroborate The Federalist's story.

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You don't know what you're talking about. It was ONLY a POTENTIAL campaign problem. AKA, there was no injustice to obstruct.

Lol.. it's the same thing

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

 

You apparently don't understand that sex between Monica and Bill was HER IDEA and she always said that.

In pretty well every profession you'd be taken up on discipline for boinking your intern but yet your boy joe openly approved

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Why would I condone political violence? LMAO

You apparently don't understand that sex between Monica and Bill was HER IDEA and she always said that.

I know he lied about it happening. 

ANd he also raped his house servant and his wife had to step in and keep her quiet. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

Lol.. it's the same thing

No, it's NOT. There was no FELONIOUS falsified business records filed by Bill

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

In pretty well every profession you'd be taken up on discipline for boinking your intern but yet your boy joe openly approved

Trump has crossed EVERY ETHICAL BOUNDARY with IMPUNITY, so you should know by now that there is no penalty other than the election for ethical violations by the POTUS.

[West]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump has crossed EVERY ETHICAL BOUNDARY with IMPUNITY, so you should know by now that there is no penalty other than the election for ethical violations by the POTUS.

Your guys rape victim lives in exile while you concern yourself with where a guy put legal fees on a form

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, West said:

Your guys rape victim lives in exile

WTH are you talking about? The woman who contradicted herself and FLED to Moscow?

Got news for you, that was HER CHOICE.

5 minutes ago, West said:

while you concern yourself with where a guy put legal fees on a form

FALSE. I'm concerned with FELONIOUS hiding of FACTS to STEAL an election.

It wasn't the location, it was LYING ABOUT the spending to cover up election interference. 

[gatomontes99]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Show your evidence that Biden ordered a specific result from that JURY.

You do Joe's bidding on here every day. Did you need him to tell you what to do?

[myata]

11 hours ago, suds said:

complained bitterly the election

"Complaining" equals to calling its results illegitimate and trying to overturn them with conspiracy and coercion? Can one really be that naive to not understand the difference? What you're reading is having an effect on your brain. You were informed.

[myata]

There is a loudmouth authoritarian cult that cares only about one thing: winning at all cost. Their destructive populism will capture some of the attention of the population, especially those that come to see democracy as a toy and entertainment rather than citizen's work and responsibility. This is an uncertain and troubling time. It can have far-reaching consequences as history shows.

To stand up to it, the people of reason and conscience need above all unity, energy and vision. It's not the time to sleep through the concluding term, barely holding off to begin the memoirs. Russia, China, the dictatorial alliance. Joe agonizes and hesitates to f-ing infinity. He's taking forever to make a simplest decision. This is not his time. He'd rather be on a couch at a fireplace dictating his memoirs of great feats. Both parties have let America down. Can't find a worse time to play the stupid ego and obstinance roulette. That's just too bad.

Edited June 2 by myata

[Nationalist]

You fine little Tweenkies have set a new precedent. When the power changes hands...and we all know it will...I think it's fair to say that precedent will get used over and over.

[myata]

The uglies would still need to find twelve free citizens to stamp-approve their agendas.May take a while to get to this condition - but possible. History shows that in certain times it's a real possibility. No time for relaxation and memoirs. Some folks, they look like your regular neighbors except their brain lives in the cave age: it knows only how to worship the Alpha and boo and diminish the other. Is that how the founding fathers thought? Think now. With time and opportunity, they will try to rise in install their rules and their order. The cave order. Think about it now. There will be no excuses.

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

The uglies would still need to find twelve free citizens to stamp-approve their agendas.May take a while to get to this condition - but possible. History shows that in certain times it's a real possibility. No time for relaxation and memoirs. Some folks, they look like your regular neighbors except their brain lives in the cave age: it knows only how to worship the Alpha and boo and diminish the other. Is that how the founding fathers thought? Think now. With time and opportunity, they will try to rise in install their rules and their order. The cave order. Think about it now. There will be no excuses.

Lol...

You Tweenkies have crossed the line of decency and outright broken the law.

When the courts get filled with cases like this in places like Kentucky, Texas, Florida...we can expect you to honor the convictions...

Right?