Trudeau's immigration minister Marc Miller announces that he is quintupling the number of refugees Canada is taking from Gaza from 1,000 to 5,000.

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Well, it should make you happy to learn that he says he was misquoted. We're not willing to take in 5,000 Palestinians, after all.

It's 5,000 Palestinian families.

https://x.com/WeAreCanProud/status/1795509088262246773

 

Well that was an emotional roller coaster of  a post.....  

[Goddess]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Well, it should make you happy to learn that he says he was misquoted. We're not willing to take in 5,000 Palestinians, after all.

It's 5,000 Palestinian families.

https://x.com/WeAreCanProud/status/1795509088262246773

 

Yay.  Another 20-25,000 Liberal voters.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You sat on your asses while our allies raped little boys then you come in here and accuse me of supporting that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

Fu ck you.

He's not on this forum supporting those people raping little boys. 

You ARE on this forum supporting terrorists burning little boys to death. 

Get mad all you like. It won't change the fact you're backing the wrong side. 

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I am willing to bet heavy he can't answer this question accurately. 

No, I can't answer that.  I'm not an expert on the topic.

So weird that you're betting (hoping?) that I can't answer it.

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

@Michael Hardner: 

I'd love for you to write down what you think is the "offer that's on the table for Israel to sign" right now, what offer was on the table in 1948, what offer was on the table in 1967, or at any point between...

What are their options? 

What was the very best offer that they have ever received, to date?

I have no idea.  Why do you think that I would be able to answer that?

[Goddess]

14 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Well, it should make you happy to learn that he says he was misquoted. We're not willing to take in 5,000 Palestinians, after all.

It's 5,000 Palestinian families.

https://x.com/WeAreCanProud/status/1795509088262246773

 

Good gawd.

Did you see this?  One family, "just the first" of 36 people.  From one family.

This could equate to another 1/4 million immigrants who come from a place that overwhelmingly supports terrorism and terrorists.

How will they weed out actual Hamas members?  No word on that.

Edited May 29, 2024 by Goddess

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, I can't answer that.  I'm not an expert on the topic.

So weird that you're betting (hoping?) that I can't answer it.

I have no idea.  Why do you think that I would be able to answer that?

You keep on talking about how Israelis should be negotiating with the Palestinians, and accusing me of saying that Israelis shouldn't negotiate with them, and you say that I "dehumanize" the Iranians, Palestinians, etc...

You say those things because you don't understand what's going on there.

Israel doesn't have the option of doing any of the things that you think they should do. Israel's option, according to Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, Iran, Egypt, islamic state, islamic brotherhood, etc is to cease to exist. 

 

What can Israel do to coexist peacefully with its islamic neighbours? Nothing. And the more support that Hamas etc get from the outside world - people like you and eyeball - the less options Israel has. 

 

Israel is exactly like Pakistan in that both countries didn't exist in 1945.

Israel is exactly like Pakistan in that both countries were formed because a religious minority within a larger region wanted their own autonomous region when the British were pulling out of their colonial territories. 

Israel is exactly like Pakistan in that both countries were formed by the British and ratified by the UN in 1947/48.

Israel is unlike Pakistan in that the Pakistanis ethnically cleansed their region with a murder-first policy. They killed Hindus and Sikhs as fast as they could, a conservative estimate is that they burned to death/hung/slashed/shot/stabbed 800,000 people to death. The Israelis killed less than half a thousand. 

You could say that Pakistan and Israel were formed by the exact same people at the exact same time for the exact same reasons, but the Pakistanis committed a massive genocide and Israel did nothing of the sort.

 

According to all the stories about how "Israel has it coming to them because of all the violence they unleashed when they were formed", Pakistan needs to be turned to glass. They literally killed 1400 times as many people as the Israelis did.

But... the Pakistanis have never had to fight off several islamic countries. Not even a single one. In fact, all of the islamic world is happy that Pakistan got their homeland, regardless of the expense in terms of human lives. 

The Israelis have fought off no less than 2 genocidal islamic military alliances. "You killed 500 people, all 10M of you have to die."

 

So tell me: is this anger at Israel due to humanitarian concerns, or does it stem entirely from violent bigotry? And when you correctly answer "violent religious bigotry", think about what it takes to overcome that....

Not violence, no, you can't kill your way to peace.

The only path to peace is for the islamic world to understand that the rest of the world sees through their bigoted BS. But you don't. Your liberal POV prevents you fro thinking of an entire religion as being 'the bad guys'. But was mohamed a 'good' person? If he wasn't, what will his adherents be like? Will they be like Jesus or Buddha, or like mohamed himself was? Go find out what mohamed was like, then you'll have a better understanding of what's going on here. 

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You keep on talking about how Israelis should be negotiating with the Palestinians, and accusing me of saying that Israelis shouldn't negotiate with them, and you say that I "dehumanize" the Iranians, Palestinians, etc...

You say those things because you don't understand what's going on there.

Israel doesn't have the option of doing any of the things that you think they should do. Israel's option, according to Hamas, Fatah, the PLO, Iran, Egypt, islamic state, islamic brotherhood, etc is to cease to exist. 

 

What can Israel do to coexist peacefully with its islamic neighbours? Nothing. And the more support that Hamas etc get from the outside world - people like you and eyeball - the less options Israel has. 

 

Israel is exactly like Pakistan in that both countries didn't exist in 1945.

Israel is exactly like Pakistan in that both countries were formed because a religious minority within a larger region wanted their own autonomous region when the British were pulling out of their colonial territories. 

Israel is exactly like Pakistan in that both countries were formed by the British and ratified by the UN in 1947/48.

Israel is unlike Pakistan in that the Pakistanis ethnically cleansed their region with a murder-first policy. They killed Hindus and Sikhs as fast as they could, a conservative estimate is that they burned to death/hung/slashed/shot/stabbed 800,000 people to death. The Israelis killed less than half a thousand. 

You could say that Pakistan and Israel were formed by the exact same people at the exact same time for the exact same reasons, but the Pakistanis committed a massive genocide and Israel did nothing of the sort.

 

According to all the stories about how "Israel has it coming to them because of all the violence they unleashed when they were formed", Pakistan needs to be turned to glass. They literally killed 1400 times as many people as the Israelis did.

But... the Pakistanis have never had to fight off several islamic countries. Not even a single one. In fact, all of the islamic world is happy that Pakistan got their homeland, regardless of the expense in terms of human lives. 

The Israelis have fought off no less than 2 genocidal islamic military alliances. "You killed 500 people, all 10M of you have to die."

 

So tell me: is this anger at Israel due to humanitarian concerns, or does it stem entirely from violent bigotry? And when you correctly answer "violent religious bigotry", think about what it takes to overcome that....

Not violence, no, you can't kill your way to peace.

The only path to peace is for the islamic world to understand that the rest of the world sees through their bigoted BS. But you don't. Your liberal POV prevents you fro thinking of an entire religion as being 'the bad guys'. But was mohamed a 'good' person? If he wasn't, what will his adherents be like? Will they be like Jesus or Buddha, or like mohamed himself was? Go find out what mohamed was like, then you'll have a better understanding of what's going on here. 

Israel HAD negotiated in the past and they can continue to do so.  You denigrated the people of those various countries by your own words.

Two State solution is supported by many institutions and countries including us and our allies.

You want to think about a religion as "bad guys" it seems. 

Don't try to tell me that that's evidence that you understand things better than me, when the civilized world - the entities I listed - is largely on the same page as I am. It's incredibly arrogant for you state your opinion is the only correct one.

 

 

[CDN1]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Fu ck off you worthless POS.

Lol. Cucked terrorist simp talking shit.

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Israel HAD negotiated in the past and they can continue to do so. 

Wrong.

Israel TRIED to negotiate in the past.

None of those negotiations were legitimate from the other side. It was all a show to create the illusion of decency, but never for lasting peace and acknowledgement.

Tell me Michael, how many ME countries acknowledge Israel's sovereignty after 75+ years? 

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You denigrated the people of those various countries by your own words.

No. On average, they're not good people at all. I'm not denigrating them, I'm describing them accurately. You just vastly overestimate them. 

If they were good people then they'd be just as mad about Pakistan and they're not.

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Two State solution is supported by many institutions and countries including us and our allies.

Right. Is it supported by Iran? Is it supported by Egypt? Why don't you try to find out, because you obviously still don't know.

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You want to think about a religion as "bad guys" it seems. 

They're bad.

Stop acting like I'm skirting the issue.

I'm not. I'm openly saying that they're bad people, and I'm saying that you're wrong to think that they're not. But I've also explained it to you, you just want to pretend that I'm not telling the truth.

I can describe for you, accurately and honestly, in several different ways, how they're just bad people in general. 

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Don't try to tell me that that's evidence that you understand things better than me, when the civilized world - the entities I listed - is largely on the same page as I am. It's incredibly arrogant for you state your opinion is the only correct one.

So then explain to me accurately what the positions of Iran, Egypt, etc are if you know so much. Even Pakistan. 

Why can't you tell me what they think about this? Is it that you still don't know, or that you're unwilling to say?

FYI Pakistan was created the exact same way as Israel, at basically the same time, and yet Pakistan doesn't acknowledge Israel as a country. Why is that MH? Did the Israelis not slaughter enough women and children to earn Pakistan's respect?

 

I totally understand that there are western nations that would like to see Palestinians have a country. That's because western nations are primarily populated by decent people, who don't see genocide as a reasonable/favourable outcome. 

Do you understand that the people who you're siding with (and you're absolutely taking a side here) are largely pro-genocide?  

[CDN1]

33 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Israel HAD negotiated in the past and they can continue to do so.  You denigrated the people of those various countries by your own words.

Two State solution is supported by many institutions and countries including us and our allies.

You want to think about a religion as "bad guys" it seems. 

Don't try to tell me that that's evidence that you understand things better than me, when the civilized world - the entities I listed - is largely on the same page as I am. It's incredibly arrogant for you state your opinion is the only correct one.

 

 

Islam is a pedo death cult. You would invite this trojan horse into our country and allow it to topple Western civilization.

Cucked F'n traitor.

Edited May 29, 2024 by CDN1

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, CDN1 said:

Islam is a pedo...

They won't acknowledge that. They can't. 

You can put the info right in front of them and they will just disavow the parts that they don't like. 

[Michael Hardner]

26 minutes ago, CDN1 said:

Islam is a pedo death cult. You would invite this trojan horse into our country and allow it to topple Western civilization.

Cucked F'n traitor.

Nice argument.  I've been countering it on here for 21 years and one week...

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

You can put the info right in front of them and they will just disavow the parts that they don't like. 

You want to tar an entire people based on some supposed facts, but you arrive at the table with your intentions before any facts are considered.  Let's be honest here.

[Michael Hardner]

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wrong.

Israel TRIED to negotiate in the past.

None of those negotiations were legitimate from the other side. It was all a show to create the illusion of decency, but never for lasting peace and acknowledgement.

Tell me Michael, how many ME countries acknowledge Israel's sovereignty after 75+ years? 

No. On average, they're not good people at all. I'm not denigrating them, I'm describing them accurately. You just vastly overestimate them. 

If they were good people then they'd be just as mad about Pakistan and they're not.

Right. Is it supported by Iran? Is it supported by Egypt? Why don't you try to find out, because you obviously still don't know.

They're bad.

Stop acting like I'm skirting the issue.

I'm not. I'm openly saying that they're bad people, and I'm saying that you're wrong to think that they're not. But I've also explained it to you, you just want to pretend that I'm not telling the truth.

I can describe for you, accurately and honestly, in several different ways, how they're just bad people in general. 

So then explain to me accurately what the positions of Iran, Egypt, etc are if you know so much. Even Pakistan. 

Why can't you tell me what they think about this? Is it that you still don't know, or that you're unwilling to say?

FYI Pakistan was created the exact same way as Israel, at basically the same time, and yet Pakistan doesn't acknowledge Israel as a country. Why is that MH? Did the Israelis not slaughter enough women and children to earn Pakistan's respect?

 

I totally understand that there are western nations that would like to see Palestinians have a country. That's because western nations are primarily populated by decent people, who don't see genocide as a reasonable/favourable outcome. 

Do you understand that the people who you're siding with (and you're absolutely taking a side here) are largely pro-genocide?  

Your mind is made up and you're not retracting your post.

You're bringing up all kinds of additional things but if you're already decided that Muslims are bad what's the point of discussion?

I don't agree that they are.  If you want to find out why, I have over two decades of posts here for you to read.

 

Enjoy.

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Nice argument.  I've been countering it on here for 21 years and one week...

You want to tar an entire people based on some supposed facts, but you arrive at the table with your intentions before any facts are considered.  Let's be honest here.

If marrying children is ok within a group, then you tar everyone in that group. That's how it goes.

If beating women or caning them and jailing them for not wearing religious garb is ok with your group then you tar them all with that. That's how it goes.

I didn't teach them stone-age morality, it's just how they are.

Take note of their stone-age morality maybe, instead of pretending they're just like us. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

that Muslims are bad

Muslims aren't bad. Plenty of good Muslim people out there.

However one cannot deny the atrocities that the religion itself is responsible for, and how its incredibly taboo to point it out.

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't agree that they are.  If you want to find out why, I have over two decades of posts here for you to read.

You have two decades of having your head up your ass. 

They have 1400 years of stone-age morality.

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

You sat on your asses while our allies raped little boys then you come in here and accuse me of supporting that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

Fu ck you.

I'm not going to lie that did happen, Canadian soldiers were told to ignore the abuse, by the chain of command and our government...imagine that....our white suits and tainted with a little bit of shit.....But thats not what most did....lots of cases involving Canadian soldiers intervening in these fuc* boy events held every thursday in our AO ...some of them ending in a mexican standoff with Afghan national police (ANP)...not mentioned in your story, sorry does not fit in with your narrative.......these events ended with the chain of command disciplining our soldiers, some being sent home but the message sent to the ANP was if they were caught again next time it would not end well for them...what happened after they left one could only guess...

This is acceptable in their culture, and has happened decades before we got there, Not all Afghans took part in this horrible events, something you should remember when we bring in refugees from these cultures...this is not a practice that is just Afghanis either...but is practiced in more muslim countries as well.   

It never ceases to amaze me just how low some people will go to sully the reputation of members of our own armed forces...This is one example of how upside down conflict is, conflict is where evil thrives, men and women do evil things most with no consequences at all, and the people that pay for all that are civilians in most cases...

These terrorist you cheer for are lower than dog shit, the are rapid dogs that need to be put down with a bullet to make the world a better place ...your actions/ sympathy and comments only make them stronger...They feed off all the attention you give them, it is what drives them to do terrorist stuff...think about that for a moment...

Got anything else you like to get off your chest, maybe more name calling , some more accusations maybe...I mean there is a lot more nasty stuff that happened than this, ...And we wonder why so many came back with mental health issues...

Is this where we hug or are you still pissed off, anyone else want a hug...My therapist says hugs are a good way to express yourself to let go of all your bad feelings...

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

You sat on your asses while our allies raped little boys then you come in here and accuse me of supporting that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

Fu ck you.

Why do you assume OUR culture and values are more important than THEIR culture and values. Even in THEIR country!? you want us to impose our own cultural values on them there?! What kind of an arrogant, Western-centric, colonial, white supremacist mentality is that, boy?! 

[WestCanMan]

23 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Muslims aren't bad. Plenty of good Muslim people out there.

However one cannot deny the atrocities that the religion itself is responsible for, and how its incredibly taboo to point it out.

For sure there are a lot of good people within any group. 

The fact remains though, that muslims countries are bigoted sh1tholes, and that's because of the stone age morality that they're taught by their religion.

And I'll say it for the millionth time: the ONLY way to judge people's character is by watching what they do when they're in a position of power. Eg, if a pencil-necked accountant decides not to try to rape a 25 yr old Mike Tyson when he comes to prison, that doesn't prove anything about the accountant. If Mike Tyson decides not to rape the accountant, that actually proves at least something. If he treats him reasonably well, that's a big deal. If he treated that guy like an equal, that would be almost unheard of in the real world.

 

When people come to Canada or go to England, the US, or Germany they're treated - on average - in a certain way, by the dominant culture. They are exposed to an average level of danger, and they receive certain protections from the police and judicial systems of those countries. I'd argue that we're one of, if not the best, cultures in that regard.

Muslims can go anywhere in the western world without being exposed to verbal abuse, threats, assaults, and they are protected as well as anyone else by the police and judiciary.

 

By contrast, Jews can't even go to muslim countries: it's like asking to be killed, but if they did they certainly would be exposed to verbal abuse, threats, assaults, and they would be left unprotected by the police and judiciary. That's just a fact.

Women going anywhere in the muslim world have to wear a hijab or they WILL be exposed to verbal abuse, threats, assaults, and they are not protected by the police and judiciary. That's just a fact. The only difference is what level of violence, religious bigotry and misogyny they will be exposed to in each country. 

Pakistan and Afghanistan are the two most bigoted countries on earth. Their average citizen is not a good person by any reasonable measure. Women will experience a very dangerous level of violence there. Iran is a close 3rd. No non-muslim country cracks the top 20 for religious bigotry, not even Israel.

 

While the @Michael Hardners of the world will ignore all of that, and spout opinions based on what gets them political-correctness Brownie-points, I'll just address the basic facts as we all know them. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Nice argument.  I've been countering it on here for 21 years and one week...

Wow! You'd think by now you'd be good at it by this point then......

(nyuck nyuck nyuck!!     Oh come on, you can't expect me to ignore a set up like THAT!!!) 

Edited May 29, 2024 by CdnFox

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If marrying children is ok within a group, then you tar everyone in that group. That's how it goes.

 

You can get married at 15 in Kansas.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Muslims aren't bad. Plenty of good Muslim people out there.

Okay, go argue with West Can man then.

Edited May 29, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

.

 

While the @Michael Hardners of the world will ignore all of that...

You continue to make up opinions that I don't hold. All I know is that you post denigrations of peoples and won't retract them. 

Just admit that you don't like Muslims why don't you..

 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

You sat on your asses while our allies raped little boys then you come in here and accuse me of supporting that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

Fu ck you.

We chose to side with the child-rapists against the people who murdered girls for going to school.

So many great options. 

Like I said - they're just not good people. 

[WestCanMan]

32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can get married at 15 in Kansas.

So, in the very worst state in the US, girls still have to be more than twice as old as they do in the muslim world. Is that your gotcha moment, or do you have something else?

[herbie]

Don't call him a bigot. He probably hated those educated white Christian draft dodgers coming here too.