Trump Was Incredibly Bad At Presidenting

[robosmith]

Trump Was Incredibly Bad At Presidenting

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Damn he was bad at the job.

I was one of the political scientists who participated in a “rank the presidents” survey and it was easy to place Trump dead last, given everything.1 But the truth is that even if Trump had followed and accepted the law, including the Constitutional “emoluments” provision, and even if he didn’t provoke an insurrection in support of his bid to overturn an election he lost, and even if he didn’t have a history of sexual assault, and even if he didn’t regularly make bigoted remarks and encourage bigotry…he was still quite a bit worse at the regular parts of presidenting than any of the modern presidents, at least.2

It’s hard to know where to begin, and I’m obviously not going to convince anyone in a few short paragraphs or even a full item, but even given how important all that other stuff is his gross incompetency at the job is worth remembering. Trump had terrible personnel judgement. He was easily manipulated by everyone - bureaucrats, foreign leaders, members of Congress, pretty much anyone who figured him out, which apparently wasn’t difficult. He didn’t even attempt to talk to the half (or really a bit more than half) of the nation who hadn’t supported him.

But if you had to focus on just one thing, it’s that by all accounts he utterly failed at the thing that Richard Neustadt thought was the most important thing for presidents to do in order to succeed: Collecting information. Trump didn’t read. He didn’t pay attention during briefings. He didn’t care about policy. He didn’t even bother, as far as anyone can tell, to learn the basic rules of the constitutional system. He did apparently watch a lot of cable news networks, which is…let’s just say not a great way of learning much.

He's not a manager, he just played (a bad) one on TV.

Q: How can you tell a manager is bad?

A: He believes firing is always the solution to a problem.

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump Was Incredibly Bad At Presidenting

He's not a manager, he just played (a bad) one on TV.

Q: How can you tell a manager is bad?

A: He believes firing is always the solution to a problem.

Q: How can you tell a manager is bad?

A: He drives his business into bankruptcy. 

[Hodad]

A: When half the staff is fired or quits and then states directly that he's unqualified for the job.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump Was Incredibly Bad At Presidenting

He's not a manager, he just played (a bad) one on TV.

Q: How can you tell a manager is bad?

A: He believes firing is always the solution to a problem.

Just cannot get enough of Trump bashing, eh? Sadly for you, incredibly stupid, the trial in NY is just about over and Trump has won another victory over the dumbocrats. Cohen is a bullshitter just like you. When will stupid left wing liberal wackos like you ever get it that Trump will never be found guilty on anything. There can be no doubt about it that you constantly watch CNN, MSNBC and the View. I guess that whoop-dee-doo and those other bimbos on the View get you all excited in your pants, eh? You really do need to get a real life, Viewster. 🤣

[Rebound]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

Just cannot get enough of Trump bashing, eh? Sadly for you, incredibly stupid, the trial in NY is just about over and Trump has won another victory over the dumbocrats. Cohen is a bullshitter just like you. When will stupid left wing liberal wackos like you ever get it that Trump will never be found guilty on anything. There can be no doubt about it that you constantly watch CNN, MSNBC and the View. I guess that whoop-dee-doo and those other bimbos on the View get you all excited in your pants, eh? You really do need to get a real life, Viewster. 🤣

Can you name one Trump cabinet official who said that Trump did a great job? Cause there’s a HUGE list of his own cabinet secretaries who said he was terrible.  

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Just cannot get enough of Trump bashing, eh? Sadly for you, incredibly stupid, the trial in NY is just about over and Trump has won another victory over the dumbocrats. Cohen is a bullshitter just like you. When will stupid left wing liberal wackos like you ever get it that Trump will never be found guilty on anything. There can be no doubt about it that you constantly watch CNN, MSNBC and the View. I guess that whoop-dee-doo and those other bimbos on the View get you all excited in your pants, eh? You really do need to get a real life, Viewster. 🤣

You can't even address ONE allegation made in the OP. ALL you got is ^this TROLLSHIT.

[Nationalist]

Ahhh the Libbies see the writing on the wall. Brandon now has to face Trump in 2 debates. He'll have to defend his failed term in public.

I find their desperation delightful. 

Enjoy the election Libbies.

[Guest]

Trump's appeal was precisely because he was unpresidential. 

He literally ran on this premise.

He was petty, used a lot of questionable language, and literally shunned what was perceived to be a professional and meticulously polished politician.

You're literally pointing the obvious.

He sucked at being presidential, but most will have short memory, remembering how they didn't struggle as bad under his watch.

Pointing to how bad he was in great detail, is like pointing to how bad for you decadent chocolate cake is. 

If anything, it will make you buy one, and cry your guilt away for eating it all by yourself in one sitting.

People by flailing and screaming about how bad he was, are actually giving him insane amounts of free advertisement.

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Trump's appeal was precisely because he was unpresidential. 

He literally ran on this premise.

He was petty, used a lot of questionable language, and literally shunned what was perceived to be a professional and meticulously polished politician.

You're literally pointing the obvious.

He sucked at being presidential, but most will have short memory, remembering how they didn't struggle as bad under his watch.

Pointing to how bad he was in great detail, is like pointing to how bad for you decadent chocolate cake is. 

If anything, it will make you buy one, and cry your guilt away for eating it all by yourself in one sitting.

People by flailing and screaming about how bad he was, are actually giving him insane amounts of free advertisement.

They're not saying he was bad at appearing presidential. They're saying he was literally bad at the job. Historically bad. 

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ahhh the Libbies see the writing on the wall. Brandon now has to face Trump in 2 debates. He'll have to defend his failed term in public.

I find their desperation delightful. 

Enjoy the election Libbies.

That writing you see "on the wall" are just delusions floating in your head. LMAO

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Trump's appeal was precisely because he was unpresidential. 

He literally ran on this premise.

He was petty, used a lot of questionable language, and literally shunned what was perceived to be a professional and meticulously polished politician.

You're literally pointing the obvious.

He sucked at being presidential, but most will have short memory, remembering how they didn't struggle as bad under his watch.

Pointing to how bad he was in great detail, is like pointing to how bad for you decadent chocolate cake is. 

If anything, it will make you buy one, and cry your guilt away for eating it all by yourself in one sitting.

People by flailing and screaming about how bad he was, are actually giving him insane amounts of free advertisement.

It is strange how short peoples' memories are of the disaster of Trump's handling of the pandemic.

Most like yourself don't know just how badly he did trying to ignore the pandemic in service to his campaign.

The irony is, if he'd actually done a competent job, he'd probably have been re-elected.

Instead we had over ONE MILLION excess deaths and most people believe ALL were unavoidable, despite being much higher than other Western countries that took effective precautions.

19 minutes ago, Hodad said:

They're not saying he was bad at appearing presidential. They're saying he was literally bad at the job. Historically bad. 

Appearances are all most people see/understand partly because they know NOTHING about the science of the pandemic spread.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

They're not saying he was bad at appearing presidential.

He's bad at being presidential. He's a bull in a China shop.

He wings things. Uses his "guts". All things that may work for an entrepreneur, but may be catastrophic for a politician.

He however didn't hide any of this from the population.

He showed America who he was. How he was going to insult, petty and strong arm his way to politics.

Came in as advertised. I just find it funny that people are acting butt hurt about this, pointing out how appalling it is how his behavior is.

He's talked about banging his daughter if they weren't related, or something close to it.

Hes that friend some of us have, or grandparent with no filter.

This is literally his best asset. The more you point it out, the more you sell him to those who would prefer this than a typical politician.

[Guest]

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

The irony is, if he'd actually done a competent job, he'd probably have been re-elected.

Despite this, many still would rather have him running the economy. That is quite telling about Biden, that it is of Trump, in my opinion. 

Imagine, Biden’s tough talk about wanting a debate with Trump, but stacking aa much in his favor as possible, because he would be fish food otherwise, won't go unnoticed by any American with an IQ.

Him getting hundreds of thousands in states like New Jersey.

Many people love Trump.

Democrats should spend more energy trying to figure out what Americans truly need, vs trying to convince them how bad Trump is.

[Nationalist]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

That writing you see "on the wall" are just delusions floating in your head. LMAO

Actually...no.

It's repeated polls that show Trump winning. It's Brandon's inability to think straight. And it's Brandon's record.

I'm looking forward to it.

You?

[gatomontes99]

19 hours ago, robosmith said:

It is strange how short peoples' memories are of the disaster of Trump's handling of the pandemic.

Most like yourself don't know just how badly he did trying to ignore the pandemic in service to his campaign.

The irony is, if he'd actually done a competent job, he'd probably have been re-elected.

Instead we had over ONE MILLION excess deaths and most people believe ALL were unavoidable, despite being much higher than other Western countries that took effective precautions.

Appearances are all most people see/understand partly because they know NOTHING about the science of the pandemic spread.

I don't know what world you were living in, but Trump got testing expedited, the Vax expedited, and had ventilators made by anyone that could. On top of that, he had a ship stationed in NYC for pandemic health care, and got companies to convert alcohol production to sanitizer. He rightly identified the virus as being man made and was the first country to stop flights from China (while democrats called him racist).

Your memory is faulty boss.

[WestCanMan]

On 5/17/2024 at 3:43 PM, Rebound said:

Q: How can you tell a manager is bad?

A: He drives his business into bankruptcy. 

Dang, that's a dire indictment of Joe's presidency. The US is morally and ethically bankrupt, their military is ineffective and embarrassing themselves, their geopolitical legacy is a complete bust, and their dismal economy is breaking all of America. 

[Rebound]

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Dang, that's a dire indictment of Joe's presidency. The US is morally and ethically bankrupt, their military is ineffective and embarrassing themselves, their geopolitical legacy is a complete bust, and their dismal economy is breaking all of America. 

You want to know what our military is under Biden? It’s a military that’s not at war… for the first time in 22 years.  THAT’S the U.S. military under Biden. 

[CdnFox]

On 5/18/2024 at 1:01 PM, Perspektiv said:

Trump's appeal was precisely because he was unpresidential. 

He literally ran on this premise.

He was petty, used a lot of questionable language, and literally shunned what was perceived to be a professional and meticulously polished politician.

You're literally pointing the obvious.

He sucked at being presidential, but most will have short memory, remembering how they didn't struggle as bad under his watch.

Pointing to how bad he was in great detail, is like pointing to how bad for you decadent chocolate cake is. 

If anything, it will make you buy one, and cry your guilt away for eating it all by yourself in one sitting.

People by flailing and screaming about how bad he was, are actually giving him insane amounts of free advertisement.

Very true - i remember some 'street polls' that noted that very thing back in 2015-16.  People basically said 'we know he's a questionable person and that he lies, we don't care. We just want to shake the system up".  Like - a lot of people. 

In many ways akin to the story book antihero he is something of an anti-president. And yet things ran fairly well.

Now the dems have gone a little too far and the mood of the audience is turning against them.

That's why they cannot win by trying to claim trump is evil. People have already accepted that he is a villain, but now he is the antihero villain who will save the day. If Megamind had had orange hair, he would have been trump

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You want to know what our military is under Biden? It’s a military that’s not at war… for the first time in 22 years.  THAT’S the U.S. military under Biden. 

Trump was the first POTUS not to start a war since Carter. 

The US military under Biden is leaderless, rudderless. God help us if the US has to go to war under 4-Yr Weekend at Bernie's.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump was the first POTUS not to start a war since Carter. 

I wonder why some refuse to at the very least acknowledge that very fact.

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump was the first POTUS not to start a war since Carter. 

The US military under Biden is leaderless, rudderless. God help us if the US has to go to war under 4-Yr Weekend at Bernie's.

Nonsense. When Russia invaded Ukraine, Biden was clear and decisive. Trump has never been clear at all about Ukraine; he’s tossing around BS about how he’ll wave a magic wand and end the war in ten seconds, probably by handing Ukraine to Putin. And Trump told Putin he’d be glad for him to invade West European countries.  

Clinton did not start a war. Obama did not either. If you’re going to talk about conflicts, well, Trump lost special forces in Sudan about two weeks into his Presidency.  Bigger screwup than Benghazi.
 

So, no. Military leadership under Trump would clearly be awful.  He didn’t get along with our generals at all. In fact, he called them “his generals, but they aren’t his, they are America’s. 

Edited May 21, 2024 by Rebound

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Rebound said:

Nonsense. When Russia invaded Ukraine, Biden was clear and decisive.

Riiiiight. The whole point is that Ukraine was invaded, get it? 

When Trump was POTUS the ME was improving, when Biden became POTUS it all went to shit.

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Trump has never been clear at all about Ukraine; he’s tossing around BS about how he’ll wave a magic wand and end the war in ten seconds, probably by handing Ukraine to Putin. And Trump told Putin he’d be glad for him to invade West European countries.  

1) Stop being such a disgusting little weasel. 

2) Trump made big claims about how quickly he could get rid of islamic state too, and guess what happened...?

The reason this war is going on is Biden and the Dems are pushing Ukraine to keep it going. It's  ridiculous war.

If Trump says that the war will be over in ten second I believe him. 

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Clinton did not start a war. Obama did not either.

They took America into wars, Trump didn't.

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If you’re going to talk about conflicts, well, Trump lost special forces in Sudan about two weeks into his Presidency.  Bigger screwup than Benghazi.

Nothing was a bigger screwup than Benghazi. There was an epic barrage of stupidity that led to the debacle in Benghazi, but the worst part of all was that US forces were abandoned there by Killary/Obama.

We all understand that there are flash points all over the world where conflicts flare up, but abandoning troops to die just isn't the American way. 

 

c

[Deluge]

On 5/17/2024 at 1:17 PM, robosmith said:

Trump Was Incredibly Bad At Presidenting

You're high. Trump was nowhere near as bad as Joe Biden, which is why he should be wrapping up his second term in the WH, not dealing with left-wing psychopaths in their kangaroo courts. 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

When Russia invaded Ukraine, Biden was clear and decisive.

Biden can't get through a sentence. There was nothing decisive about him.

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

he’s tossing around BS

Just maybe Putin wants out, and knows Trump would be his only shot out of this conflict.

I don't see it as BS, but rather common sense. You will be likelier to want to deal with the person open to talking to you.

5 hours ago, Rebound said:

Bigger screwup than Benghazi.

What about the Afghanistan pullout?

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Biden can't get through a sentence. There was nothing decisive about him.

Just maybe Putin wants out, and knows Trump would be his only shot out of this conflict.

I don't see it as BS, but rather common sense. You will be likelier to want to deal with the person open to talking to you.

What about the Afghanistan pullout?

Biden can actually complete a sentence. Trump just... can't. He babbles from one sentence fragment to another.