Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker bashes Pride Month, tells women to stay in the kitchen

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No? So your boobs make milk? You can squeeze puppies out the end of your dick? Be serious...

Butker did not say "uppidy women" as far as I know. He's pointing out that our very beings are designed for certain purposes, which we deny, and that this is causing all sorts of issues.

Maybe Butker wants women to stay home cause, when women play on men’s football teams, it’s his position they play.  

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Maybe Butker wants women to stay home cause, when women play on men’s football teams, it’s his position they play.  

Doubtful...but nice dig.

[User]

47 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Maybe Butker wants women to stay home cause, when women play on men’s football teams, it’s his position they play.

LOL, nice try. You can count on both hands how many female kickers have played at the College Level, most of those were not in the top divisions either. 

Zero in the NFL. 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, User said:

So, we have established now, without a doubt, that it is you who is demeaning women here. What's funny is that you are trying too hard to twist what Butker said and outright makeup crap he didn't say to try to paint him as someone doing what it is you are actually doing.

Women who stay home to invest in their family are also going beyond what a woman with a career is doing. They spend more time with their children, more time building a home for their family, they too are doing more and going beyond. 

You are the one demeaning women here now.  

Bullshit. I'm not demeaning women whatsoever. (There's your dishonesty on full display again.) Just like men, some women accomplish more than others. Children who have two parents are lucky. Children who have two fully-actualized whole people as parents are luckier still. 

Edited May 17, 2024 by Hodad

[User]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

Bullshit. I'm not demeaning women whatsoever. (There's your dishonesty on full display again.) Just like men, some women accomplish more than others. Children who have two parents are lucky. Children who have two fully-actualized whole people as parents are luckier still. 

You just got done making it explicitly clear that women who are homemakers are just doing the baseline. Those are your words:

"Breeding and rearing children is the baseline for every animal on the planet. So yes, women who do more are going beyond that."

You then go on to say that women who have careers are beyond those without them and still have the same results with family AND they accomplished more:

"A mother who has happy, healthy children and a career has accomplished more. That should be obvious."

Again these are your words, your words to demean homemakers as less than women with careers. 

You keep doing it now, saying that Children with two "fully actualized" "whole people" are luckier still.

So now you think Homemakers are not fully actualized nor whole. 

You are here doing everything you falsely accuse Butker of doing. 

[Hodad]

13 minutes ago, User said:

You just got done making it explicitly clear that women who are homemakers are just doing the baseline. Those are your words:

"Breeding and rearing children is the baseline for every animal on the planet. So yes, women who do more are going beyond that."

You then go on to say that women who have careers are beyond those without them and still have the same results with family AND they accomplished more:

"A mother who has happy, healthy children and a career has accomplished more. That should be obvious."

Again these are your words, your words to demean homemakers as less than women with careers. 

You keep doing it now, saying that Children with two "fully actualized" "whole people" are luckier still.

So now you think Homemakers are not fully actualized nor whole. 

You are here doing everything you falsely accuse Butker of doing. 

Yes, it should be obvious that women who have families and their own careers are doing more. How is this math difficult for you? The same is true for men. Perpetuating the species is a baseline activity. Contributing something to the species beyond a successive generation is is doing more. 

Marie Curie changed the world, won a Nobel prize and had two daughters who also went on to make notable contributions to humanity. 

Acknowledging that some accomplish more than others shouldn't be controversial. Sorry that hurts your feelings. 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Well, I am one of those that finds no fault in a woman not wanting to have kids or waiting. If they pursue the degree/career first and then the family. Men have followed this path for decades.. why can't the women? Some think that by waiting. they have fewer kids and that is not the optimal way to be. I would rather have quality of interaction over quantity. I have 2 and that's enough. My late father created six and as a result, worked very hard and was either not around or in too poor of health for quality interaction. 

You also seem to be one who demands it of them

So women should bow to your will and do what you demand is it? Why is that? Why do you look down on women who choose to be a wife and mother?

 

[User]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

Yes, it should be obvious that women who have families and their own careers are doing more. How is this math difficult for you?

Do you think Homemakers are just sitting at home watching The View? Staying home is a full time job, just like going to any career is. The only difference is that they are investing MORE into the home, the family, their children, than the person going to work is doing. 

The issue is not my math, it is your faulty presumptions that somehow the amount of time invested in the home is less than the amount of time invested in the career. 

Yet again, you demean women who are Homemakers. 

3 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Perpetuating the species is a baseline activity. Contributing something to the species beyond a successive generation is is doing more. 

Women who stay home are doing more than breeding. You are here saying they contribute nothing more as Homemakers. 

Yet again. you demean women who are Homemakers.

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Marie Curie changed the world, won a Nobel prize and had two daughters who also went on to make notable contributions to humanity. 

I believe Marie Curies mom quit her job when she was born. She invested her time into her daughter... 

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Acknowledging that some accomplish more than others shouldn't be controversial. Sorry that hurts your feelings. 

It is not that a woman could go on to cure cancer... it is that you are her demeaning Homemakers in general as being less than the average woman who goes on to the widget factory instead. 

Yet again, you demean women who are Homemakers. 

[Hodad]

12 minutes ago, User said:

Do you think Homemakers are just sitting at home watching The View? Staying home is a full time job, just like going to any career is. The only difference is that they are investing MORE into the home, the family, their children, than the person going to work is doing. 

The issue is not my math, it is your faulty presumptions that somehow the amount of time invested in the home is less than the amount of time invested in the career. 

Yet again, you demean women who are Homemakers. 

Women who stay home are doing more than breeding. You are here saying they contribute nothing more as Homemakers. 

Yet again. you demean women who are Homemakers.

I believe Marie Curies mom quit her job when she was born. She invested her time into her daughter... 

It is not that a woman could go on to cure cancer... it is that you are her demeaning Homemakers in general as being less than the average woman who goes on to the widget factory instead. 

Yet again, you demean women who are Homemakers. 

Lol. Staying at home is NOT a full time job. That's exactly why most people can indeed manage children and hold down a literal full time job. Or even a part time job. 

Staying at home for a few years during early childhood is a luxury--and a sacrifice--one most people don't get to make, but every woman or man I've known who has done that is bored out of their minds, desperate for any engagement and activity to keep their brains and skills from atrophying completely. 

Edited May 17, 2024 by Hodad

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Lol. Staying at home is NOT a full time job.

Holy shit. Well we know who the real sexist is here again. 

There you have it folks - women's work in the home to raise families is worthless. It's so easy anyone could do it apperently.  Tonnes of time for the lady to watch her stories on tv and  eat bon bons. r

The left is nothing but bigots and misogynists these days. 

 

How Much Is a Homemaker Worth? (investopedia.com)

According to 2019 data from Salary.com, if you are a stay-at-home parent and paid for your services, you would be looking at a median annual salary of $178,201.1 Why? Because many stay-at-home parents work around the clock. If you have young children, work can often mean nighttime feedings, greeting early morning risers, and late-night meal prep.

 

In addition, a stay-at-home parent wears many hats and must employ many skills to be a tutor, negotiator, nurse, party planner, and chef, for starters.

 

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• A stay-at-home parent performs various jobs all under the title of the homemaker.
• According to the Pew Research Center, roughly one in five U.S. adults are stay-at-home parents.2

  Pew Research Center. "Stay-at-Home Moms and Dads Account for About One-in-Five U.S. Parents."

• Stay-at-home parents often act as chauffeurs, chefs, nannies, tutors, and housecleaners. 
• The discussion of whether or not to pay a stipend to stay-at-home parents is ongoing in American politics.
• During the global pandemic, lockdowns left millions working remotely from home, and people became aware of what it is like to be a stay-at-home parent.3

[Aristides]

There seems to be a never ending supply of men who feel entitled to tell women what they should and should not be. 

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Doubtful...but nice dig.

I thought you’d like that one. 

[West]

Every man wants a woman who makes a good sandwich. It's not sexist to say so

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, West said:

Every man wants a woman who makes a good sandwich. It's not sexist to say so

Well the thing is, what this guy has in his life is a loving wife, a great family, a fantastic home that he feels is amazing, and he works hard to provide and do his job in the equation and he and a lot of people like him have been told that all of this is wrong.

And he's looking at what he has and thinking that it's actually pretty fantastic in his opinion. He very clearly dearly loves his wife, he broke up on stage talking about her. He obviously Loves the idea of fatherhood and of being a man that cares for his family And it's pretty clear that he's sick of being told that he's some sort of evil person for allowing his wife to live like that.

And he's got a point. It's a perfectly wonderful life to live for many people. A lot of women like that and a lot of men like that. And kids are raised happier and healthier like that.

[West]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well the thing is, what this guy has in his life is a loving wife, a great family, a fantastic home that he feels is amazing, and he works hard to provide and do his job in the equation and he and a lot of people like him have been told that all of this is wrong.

And he's looking at what he has and thinking that it's actually pretty fantastic in his opinion. He very clearly dearly loves his wife, he broke up on stage talking about her. He obviously Loves the idea of fatherhood and of being a man that cares for his family And it's pretty clear that he's sick of being told that he's some sort of evil person for allowing his wife to live like that.

And he's got a point. It's a perfectly wonderful life to live for many people. A lot of women like that and a lot of men like that. And kids are raised happier and healthier like that.

I don't know why its such a horrible thing for a woman to be a homemaker. Raising kids is tough work and wish more families would dedicate someone full time to the home rather than farming out their kids to the DEI infested early learning centers. Our society would be a lot less messed up 

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

There seems to be a never ending supply of men who feel entitled to tell women what they should and should not be. 

Like folks like you who look down on women choosing to stay at home and care for her kids instead of slaving in an office somewhere?

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, West said:

I don't know why its such a horrible thing for a woman to be a homemaker.

Because then she's not a marginalized victim.  The intersectional left NEEDS marginalized victims or their whole system falls apart. The gen 3 feminists specifically who were so popular for a while there HAD to have it - without the patriarchy, whom would they claim to be fighting against?

There is a HELL of a lot of money tied up in "Freeing" women from the "shackles" of "Oppressive domestic servitude" and it completely ruins that narrative if women WANT to do that kind of thing. 

You can't get paid and claim political power to rescue a victim unless there's a victim.  This is also why all men are toxic, white men especially. 

Some people are fighting back against that.  ANd it's interesting he started off saying he's overcome the fear of being cancelled for having an opinion seeing as the low lifes out there and here are bound and determined to make him a villain for daring to say "some women will want to be a wife and a mother" 

[West]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because then she's not a marginalized victim.  The intersectional left NEEDS marginalized victims or their whole system falls apart. The gen 3 feminists specifically who were so popular for a while there HAD to have it - without the patriarchy, whom would they claim to be fighting against?

There is a HELL of a lot of money tied up in "Freeing" women from the "shackles" of "Oppressive domestic servitude" and it completely ruins that narrative if women WANT to do that kind of thing. 

You can't get paid and claim political power to rescue a victim unless there's a victim.  This is also why all men are toxic, white men especially. 

Some people are fighting back against that.  ANd it's interesting he started off saying he's overcome the fear of being cancelled for having an opinion seeing as the low lifes out there and here are bound and determined to make him a villain for daring to say "some women will want to be a wife and a mother" 

I know many women whove found fulfillment in raising a family and being a homemaker. The left DEI crowd are trying to shame women into not having children. It's sick.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, West said:

Every man wants a woman who makes a good sandwich. It's not sexist to say so

Any woman can make a good sandwich,

But it takes two women to make an excellent sandwich! 

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, West said:

I know many women whove found fulfillment in raising a family and being a homemaker. The left DEI crowd are trying to shame women into not having children. It's sick.

Now hold on… Here we have a guy giving a commencement speech, telling women to stay at home and not have careers.  That doesn’t mean the only alternative is that no woman should have children.  
 

WTF ever happened to freedom and liberty? If a woman and her husband choose for her to stay and home and raise kids, great! If a woman chooses not to have kids, great! If a woman chooses kids and career, great!  Freedom! Liberty! Live your life!  

[West]

27 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Now hold on… Here we have a guy giving a commencement speech, telling women to stay at home and not have careers.  That doesn’t mean the only alternative is that no woman should have children.  
 

WTF ever happened to freedom and liberty? If a woman and her husband choose for her to stay and home and raise kids, great! If a woman chooses not to have kids, great! If a woman chooses kids and career, great!  Freedom! Liberty! Live your life!  

The left rage about everything. Truth is they've created a system where they can indoctrinate kids with their bullshit.

Bottom line is more women should stay home and raise their kids instead of turning them over to unhinged people

[User]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Here we have a guy giving a commencement speech, telling women to stay at home and not have careers.  

Sigh. He never said that. 

[User]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

Lol. Staying at home is NOT a full time job. That's exactly why most people can indeed manage children and hold down a literal full time job. Or even a part time job. 

Yes, yes it is. 

Children are a full-time job. Those who "manage" children and a full-time job pay someone else to take care of their kids for them. Do you think they leave their kids in a cage all day or chained up in the basement? Instead of paying someone to take care of their kids, Homemakers take care of them. 

How... I mean, how are you this ignorant about this stuff?

Many women find this to be extremely fulfilling, as they get to raise their children, spend time with them, invest in them, instead of shipping them off all day just to see them for an hour or two before putting them right to bed. 

You are the one who characterizes this as their "brains and skills from atrophying"

Yet again, you are the one demeaning women here. 

All you have proven so far is that you are wildly more insulting to women than anything you have been making up about Butker. 

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, User said:

Yes, yes it is. 

Children are a full-time job. Those who "manage" children and a full-time job pay someone else to take care of their kids for them. Do you think they leave their kids in a cage all day or chained up in the basement? Instead of paying someone to take care of their kids, Homemakers take care of them. 

How... I mean, how are you this ignorant about this stuff?

Many women find this to be extremely fulfilling, as they get to raise their children, spend time with them, invest in them, instead of shipping them off all day just to see them for an hour or two before putting them right to bed. 

You are the one who characterizes this as their "brains and skills from atrophying"

Yet again, you are the one demeaning women here. 

All you have proven so far is that you are wildly more insulting to women than anything you have been making up about Butker. 

 

Of course it's not a full time job. That's silly. Perhaps it once was, but we don't hunt and gather anymore. We don't trek down to the crick to do our warshin' and fetch the water. We don't spend all day kneedin' and risin' fresh bread for when Pa comes home from a hard day of chorin'.

There is some labor, but it's not skilled labor, and it's a lot more "time" than work. Our housework takes a fraction--a literal fraction--of the time. The actual labor to run a load of laundry and load and unload the dishwasher takes an hour, tops. That's why anyone who wants to can work and raise children just fine. 

And half of stay-at-home parenting is meeting up with other parents for stroller walks, a stop by the playground, some light shopping and Starbucks before heading home for some doomscrolling. Where it's time to order in because it's been a busy day.

And Zeus only knows what SAHPs do when they have school-aged children.

If that's all one is good for, they are achieving their potential. For everyone who is capable of more, they are unchallenged, bored, and yes, in a state of atrophy--whether they know it or not. Most do. They'll tell you if you ask.

 

Edited May 18, 2024 by Hodad

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, West said:

Every man wants a woman who makes a good sandwich. It's not sexist to say so

It certainly IS when that man can ALSO make a good sandwich if he's not TOO LAZY.

Making a good sandwich is not at all difficult. Maybe for you.... LMAO

[robosmith]

13 hours ago, West said:

I don't know why its such a horrible thing for a woman to be a homemaker. Raising kids is tough work and wish more families would dedicate someone full time to the home rather than farming out their kids to the DEI infested early learning centers. Our society would be a lot less messed up 

Like folks like you who look down on women choosing to stay at home and care for her kids instead of slaving in an office somewhere?

No one said it's "horrible." ^Stupid hyperbolic exaggeration.

What's horrible is saying that it's a great ambition on par with ALSO developing high functioning careers.

12 hours ago, West said:

I know many women whove found fulfillment in raising a family and being a homemaker. The left DEI crowd are trying to shame women into not having children. It's sick.

 No one said ANYTHING about women not having children being a good thing. Duh