Autocrats in China, Russia are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.

[robosmith]

Autocrats in China, Russia are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.

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On june 4, 1989, the Polish Communist Party held partially free elections, setting in motion a series of events that ultimately removed the Communists from power. Not long afterward, street protests calling for free speech, due process, accountability, and democracy brought about the end of the Communist regimes in East Germany, Czechoslovakia, and Romania. Within a few years, the Soviet Union itself would no longer exist.

Also on June 4, 1989, the Chinese Communist Party ordered the military to remove thousands of students from Tiananmen Square. The students were calling for free speech, due process, accountability, and democracy. Soldiers arrested and killed demonstrators in Beijing and around the country. Later, they systematically tracked down the leaders of the protest movement and forced them to confess and recant. Some spent years in jail. Others managed to elude their pursuers and flee the country forever.

If people are naturally drawn to human rights, democracy, and freedom, then those concepts have to be poisoned.

Like the demonstrations against President Vladimir Putin in Russia that began in 2011, the 2014 street protests in Venezuela, and the 2019 Hong Kong protests, the 2022 protests in China help explain something else: why autocratic regimes have slowly turned their repressive mechanisms outward, into the democratic world. If people are naturally drawn to the image of human rights, to the language of democracy, to the dream of freedom, then those concepts have to be poisoned. That requires more than surveillance, more than close observation of the population, more than a political system that defends against liberal ideas. It also requires an offensive plan: a narrative that damages both the idea of democracy everywhere in the world and the tools to deliver it.

 

 

 

MAGA Republicans  are dupes of authoritarians of many stripes in a plot to destroy democracy. Trump's MAGA CULT is now a tool to destroy the FREEDOM Republicans have long defended.

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, robosmith said:

Autocrats in China, Russia are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.

MAGA Republicans  are dupes of authoritarians of many stripes in a plot to destroy democracy. Trump's MAGA CULT is now a tool to destroy the FREEDOM Republicans have long defended.

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

I would point out the censorship at the hands of Brandon's administration, or the lawfare brought to us by Brandon's administration...but you'd just deny deny deny. In the final analysis...

You're nothing more than a little girl screaming 'cause she can't have 2 pieces of cake.

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

"AHHH!!! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

You're not one of US, so stop pretending you know anything about US.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I would point out the censorship at the hands of Brandon's administration, or the lawfare brought to us by Brandon's administration...but you'd just deny deny deny. In the final analysis...

^Made up BULLSHIT from FOS LIES.

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You're nothing more than a little girl screaming 'cause she can't have 2 pieces of cake.

You're NOTHING HERE.

[WestCanMan]

Robo is officially the voice of leftists here now. @BeaverFever, @eyeball, @ExFlyer, @Hodad, @Rebound etc all look up to him for leadership and wisdom. 

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Robo is officially the voice of leftists here now. @BeaverFever, @eyeball, @ExFlyer, @Hodad, @Rebound etc all look up to him for leadership and wisdom. 

Sshhhh. You're ruining my reputation here, cause they all know you're a LIAR. LMAO

The FACT is, I almost always post many different sources, like this one from "The Atlantic." Duh

Edited May 7, 2024 by robosmith

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Sshhhh. You're ruining my reputation here, cause they all know you're a LIAR. LMAO

The FACT is, I almost always post many different sources, like this one from "The Atlantic." Duh

As per your article in the Atlantic, there are no BSL4 labs in Ukraine.

... and Victoria Nuland wants to make sure that Russia doesn't get access to anything in those "imaginary BSL4 labs that really really really don't exist". 

[WestCanMan]

@robosmith your article says:

• On february 24, 2022, as Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, fantastical tales of biological warfare began surging across the internet. Russian officials solemnly declared that secret U.S.-funded biolabs in Ukraine had been conducting experiments with bat viruses and claimed that U.S. officials had confessed to manipulating “dangerous pathogens.” The story was unfounded, not to say ridiculous, and was repeatedly debunked.

I never saw all that's claimed there, the Atlantic is most likely lying by exaggeration so they can do a straw-man fact check, but stories of BSL4 labs weren't "debunked". 

As you now know, Victoria Nuland wanted to make sure that Russia didn't get access to anything in those "debunked, imaginary BSL4 labs that really, really, really don't exist anywhere, honest in'jun." 

What say you, robopuppet? 

Edited May 7, 2024 by WestCanMan

[robosmith]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

@robosmith your article says:

• On february 24, 2022, as Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, fantastical tales of biological warfare began surging across the internet. Russian officials solemnly declared that secret U.S.-funded biolabs in Ukraine had been conducting experiments with bat viruses and claimed that U.S. officials had confessed to manipulating “dangerous pathogens.” The story was unfounded, not to say ridiculous, and was repeatedly debunked.

I never saw all that's claimed there, the Atlantic is most likely lying by exaggeration so they can do a straw-man fact check, but stories of BSL4 labs weren't "debunked". 

As you now know, Victoria Nuland wanted to make sure that Russia didn't get access to anything in those "debunked, imaginary BSL4 labs that really, really, really don't exist anywhere, honest in'jun." 

What say you, robopuppet? 

You're the puppet. BBC fact check says FALSE.

Ukraine war: Fact-checking Russia's biological weapons claims

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Russia has claimed without any evidence that biological weapons are being developed in laboratories in Ukraine with support from the United States.

It says material is being destroyed to conceal the country's weapons programme, but the US says this is "total nonsense" and that Russia is inventing false narratives to justify its actions in Ukraine.

No evidence: US funds biological weapons research in Ukraine

Russia has accused the US and Ukraine of working with "pathogens of dangerous infections" in 30 laboratories across the country. Pathogens are microorganisms that can cause disease.

Ukraine has dozens of public health laboratories that work to research and mitigate the threats of dangerous diseases.

Some of these labs receive financial and other support from the US, the European Union and the World Health Organization (WHO) - as is the case in many other countries.

Despite Russian claims that these are "secret" labs, details of US involvement can be found on the US embassy's website.

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Moscow's claims about the Ukrainian labs were echoed by China this week, with foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian accusing the US of using the facilities to "conduct bio-military plans".

Similar accusations have also been made by Iranian and Syrian officials.

Although the allegations have been echoed elsewhere, "most of the Russian messaging is meant to target their own population", according to Milton Leitenberg, a senior research associate at the Center for International and Security Studies at the University of Maryland (CISSM).

He said the claims were meant to "muddy up the minds of Russian citizens" who did not know they were false and had no access to alternative information.

 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

You're not one of US, so stop pretending you know anything about US.

^Made up BULLSHIT from FOS LIES.

You're NOTHING HERE.

Lol...hilarious...

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...hilarious...

You're right, your bankruptcy is hilarious.

[Deluge]

14 hours ago, robosmith said:

Autocrats in China, Russia are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.

MAGA Republicans  are dupes of authoritarians of many stripes in a plot to destroy democracy. Trump's MAGA CULT is now a tool to destroy the FREEDOM Republicans have long defended.

robocrat is far too indoctrinated to understand that his idea of democracy is in direct conflict with Freedom, AND the United States.

Communist Russia AND China are your friends, comrade. Don't shun it, just embrace it.  

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

robocrat is far too indoctrinated to understand that his idea of democracy is in direct conflict with Freedom, AND the United States.

The choice of emblemized by democracy IS freedom from the TYRANNY of FASCISTS.

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Communist Russia AND China are your friends, comrade. Don't shun it, just embrace it.  

You're ^DELUGINAL and FOS.

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

The choice of emblemized by democracy IS freedom from the TYRANNY of FASCISTS.

You're ^DELUGINAL and FOS.

Sorry, woketard, but YOU are the tyrants and the fascists. You hate America, and you hate the Constitution, which explains why you a$$holes are trying to wipe out the Electoral College. 

As I've said before: the democrat party's idea of democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. You cultists bring absolutely NOTHING of value to the table. 

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

You're the puppet. BBC fact check says FALSE.

You just said "You're the puppet. BBC fact check says FALSE."

I could pose the question: "Did robo say "You're the puppet. BBC fact check says FALSE. You're a doodoohead" when he replied to me?" and then just say "FALSE", and I'd be correct. 

If the answer to the BBC's question truly is "false" then it's because they're asking the wrong question.

The fact is that the answer to "Did the US and Ukraine have at least one BSL4 lab where they did research on bioweapons in Ukraine?" then the answer is an emphatic "YES THEY DID."  Victori Nuland spoke directly to that fact. 

She didn't say "There were 100 labs", or "26 labs", or that "they were creating new bioweapons there". Theoretically they were "just researching cures for known bioweapons", but FYI that's not kosher, because you can't really use a bioweapon unless you have a cure for it: that's actually a very aggressive thing to do.

Do you need to see Victoria Nuland talking about it all under oath again?  

[robosmith]

59 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You just said "You're the puppet. BBC fact check says FALSE."

I could pose the question: "Did robo say "You're the puppet. BBC fact check says FALSE. You're a doodoohead" when he replied to me?" and then just say "FALSE", and I'd be correct. 

If the answer to the BBC's question truly is "false" then it's because they're asking the wrong question.

The fact is that the answer to "Did the US and Ukraine have at least one BSL4 lab where they did research on bioweapons in Ukraine?" then the answer is an emphatic "YES THEY DID."  Victori Nuland spoke directly to that fact. 

She didn't say "There were 100 labs", or "26 labs", or that "they were creating new bioweapons there". Theoretically they were "just researching cures for known bioweapons", but FYI that's not kosher, because you can't really use a bioweapon unless you have a cure for it: that's actually a very aggressive thing to do.

Do you need to see Victoria Nuland talking about it all under oath again?  

She said they have "biological research facilities." You're LYING about her verifying "BSL4 lab where they did research on bioweapons." Immediately after her answer, the unidentified man says "substances which you see around the world that is in no way akin to weapons facilities."

Maybe you're confused and posted the wrong youtube. LMAO

 

[gatomontes99]

51 minutes ago, robosmith said:

She said they have "biological research facilities." You're LYING about her verifying "BSL4 lab where they did research on bioweapons." Immediately after her answer, the unidentified man says "substances which you see around the world that is in no way akin to weapons facilities."

Maybe you're confused and posted the wrong youtube. LMAO

 

You are spinning.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

She said they have "biological research facilities." You're LYING about her verifying "BSL4 lab where they did research on bioweapons." Immediately after her answer, the unidentified man says "substances which you see around the world that is in no way akin to weapons facilities."

Maybe you're confused and posted the wrong youtube. LMAO

 

I didn't watch it. I just assumed it was the right clip. It's from that exact exchange. 

[WestCanMan]

Love this fact-check:

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/18/fact-check-pentagon-military-funded-labs-ukraine-russia-invasion/7646221001/

Their own words:

• Fact-checking this statement: "US Department of Defense Finally Comes Clean – Admits in Public Document that There Are 46 US Military-Funded Biolabs in Ukraine," a June 12 Gateway Pundit headline read.

Ok. What do they know, on this website...

• But these are mischaracterizations. The document doesn’t contain any evidence — new or otherwise — of U.S. biolabs in Ukraine. 

  The 46 facilities referenced in the articles and in the government’s fact sheet are owned and operated by Ukraine, and information about the facilities’ existence has been made publicly available by the Pentagon for some time.

OK, there are 46 biolabs, the US gov't knows about them, etc.

Then:

• Since 2005, the U.S. has partnered with Ukraine through the Pentagon’s Biological Threat Reduction Program. The purpose is "to support peaceful and safe biological detection and diagnostic capabilities and to reduce the threats posed by pathogens," according to a March 2022 government fact sheet.

Sure, still no "military funding per se...

• "Worked collaboratively to improve Ukraine’s biological safety, security, and disease surveillance for both human and animal health, providing support to 46 peaceful Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and disease diagnostic sites over the last two decades. The collaborative programs have focused on improving public health and agricultural safety measures at the nexus of nonproliferation."

A long way down, still no funding...

• In March, the Pentagon said much of the same, adding that the program has invested about $200 million in Ukraine, "supporting 46 laboratories, health facilities and diagnostic sites" and that it has "improved Ukraine’s biological safety, security and surveillance for both human and animal health." 

Ok, so the Pentagon invested $200M in it... Is that not funding?

 

Does that not add up to "The US military (Pentagon - where else does "US military funding" come from if not the Pentagon?) funded 46 biolabs in Ukraine?

Remember what they're fact-checking?

• "US Department of Defense Finally Comes Clean – Admits in Public Document that There Are 46 US Military-Funded Biolabs in Ukraine," a June 12 Gateway Pundit headline read.

There absolutely are 46 military-funded biolabs in Ukraine.

Then this judgement from the fact checkers...

• Our ruling

  A Gateway Pundit article said, "US Department of Defense Finally Comes Clean – Admits in Public Document that There Are 46 US Military-Funded Biolabs in Ukraine."

• There was no "coming clean" — and the government made no such admission. 

• The document referenced in the stories repeated known information about 46 Ukrainian-owned and -operated laboratories, health facilities and diagnostic sites that have received support from the U.S. The document specifically states that Ukraine "has no nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons programs."

• We rate this claim False.

 

🤣 Thanks "fact-checkers", but if you look at the claim, it just says "46 US military-funded biolabs in Ukraine" and they are absolutely correct. There are "46 US military-funded biolabs in Ukraine". 

 

I had a video somewhere where it was acknowledged that Ukraine had some old bioweapons that they were supposed to get rid of, which they were researching cures for. It's probably on this site somewhere.

I'll search here

 

[WestCanMan]

Here's what's gone on in Ukraine Biolabs according to even the BBC:

• Additionally, the US set up its "Biological Threat Reduction Program" in the 1990s following the fall of the Soviet Union to reduce the risk from biological weapons that had been left behind in countries including Ukraine.

  • https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/
  • The U.S. Department of Defense’s Biological Threat Reduction Program collaborates with partner countries to counter the threat of outbreaks (deliberate, accidental, or natural) of the world’s most dangerous infectious diseases.  The program accomplishes its bio-threat reduction mission through development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures. The Biological Threat Reduction Program’s priorities in Ukraine are to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats.

So, the bioweapons were left behind there, in Ukraine, and no one is saying that they just destroyed them instantly. 

What do you think that they did with these bioweapons in Ukraine that they didn't destroy? Are you saying that they didn't do any research at all on the bioweapons that they found there @robosmith?

They're dancing around the words cures and countermeasures *yawn*. Wake me up when any gov't anywhere on earth admits to shit like this. 

And keep in mid this is the USA that you're talking about.

We can pretend all day that America's pledge of "Scout's honour" is the gold standard of proof, but they grabbed the cookie jar, the cookies were in the jar, they're doing research in that jar to 'reduce the risk from those cookies', buuuuut...... that doesn't include research on those bioweapons? No cures? No countermeasures? 🤣

Gimme a f'ing break. They'd be dumb AF if they weren't. 

Apparently AI can dream up bioweapons faster than Canon copiers can print them. You better keep your ivermectin and HCQ handy, robo. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Apparently AI can dream up bioweapons faster than Canon copiers can print them. You better keep your ivermectin and HCQ handy, robo. 

Are you really still pushing those old get rich quick FAKE cures? LMAO

Snake oil salesmen have always been a dime a dozen, but it's still surprising to find anyone who falls for their LIES.

[CdnFox]

Hey RoboSmith -  Hope this doesn't scare you but.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ooops.  Well.. sorry i guess....   

 

[Videospirit]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

Thanks "fact-checkers", but if you look at the claim, it just says "46 US military-funded biolabs in Ukraine" and they are absolutely correct. There are "46 US military-funded biolabs in Ukraine". 

Depends on your definition of biolab I guess. The actual propaganda was claiming the US was funding laboratories whose research was focused on developing better biological weapons. Nowhere in the released documents did the US admit to funding such research, or claim Ukraine did so in those laboratories. 

Seems kind of silly to get up in arms over a semantic issue like that though. What exactly is your point?

[WestCanMan]

On 5/8/2024 at 12:00 AM, Videospirit said:

Depends on your definition of biolab I guess. The actual propaganda was claiming the US was funding laboratories whose research was focused on developing better biological weapons. Nowhere in the released documents did the US admit to funding such research, or claim Ukraine did so in those laboratories. 

Seems kind of silly to get up in arms over a semantic issue like that though. What exactly is your point?

That wasn't what was stated/implied. 

What was known at the time was that Ukraine and the US were - to paraphrase - 'working to protect humans from natural and man-made pathogens' in those labs, and those labs did contain Russian bioweapons when they were seized.

Sounds grand and ethically principled, but "making cures and countermeasures to defend against bioweapons" also means that you can unleash them yourself. It's just as aggressive as creating bioweapons, maybe even moreso.

[robosmith]

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That wasn't what was stated/implied. 

What was known at the time was that Ukraine and the US were - to paraphrase - 'working to protect humans from natural and man-made pathogens' in those labs, and those labs did contain Russian bioweapons when they were seized.

Sounds grand and ethically principled, but "making cures and countermeasures to defend against bioweapons" also means that you can unleash them yourself. It's just as aggressive as creating bioweapons, maybe even moreso.

You can ONLY  unleash them yourself, if you manufacture them in the LARGE quantities required for dispersal.

Small quantities needed for countermeasure development are NOT weapons. Duh

[robosmith]

The New Propaganda War

 

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Here is a difficult truth: A part of the American political spectrum is not merely a passive recipient of the combined authoritarian narratives that come from Russia, China, and their ilk, but an active participant in creating and spreading them. Like the leaders of those countries, the American MAGA right also wants Americans to believe that their democracy is degenerate, their elections illegitimate, their civilization dying. The MAGA movement’s leaders also have an interest in pumping nihilism and cynicism into the brains of their fellow citizens, and in convincing them that nothing they see is true. Their goals are so similar that it is hard to distinguish between the online American alt-right and its foreign amplifiers, who have multiplied since the days when this was solely a Russian project. Tucker Carlson has even promoted the fear of a color revolution in America, lifting the phrase directly from Russian propaganda. The Chinese have joined in too: Earlier this year, a group of Chinese accounts that had previously been posting pro-Chinese material in Mandarin began posting in English, using MAGA symbols and attacking President Joe Biden. They showed fake images of Biden in prison garb, made fun of his age, and called him a satanist pedophile. One Chinese-linked account reposted an RT video repeating the lie that Biden had sent a neo-Nazi criminal to fight in Ukraine. Alex Jones’s reposting of the lie on social media reached some 400,000 people.

Given that both Russian and Chinese actors now blend in so easily with the MAGA messaging operation, it is hardly surprising that the American government has difficulty responding to the newly interlinked autocratic propaganda network. American-government-backed foreign broadcasters—Voice of America, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Radio Farda, Radio Martí—still exist, but neither their mandate nor their funding has changed much in recent years. The intelligence agencies continue to observe what happens—there is a Foreign Malign Influence Center under the Office of the Director of National Intelligence—but they are by definition not part of the public debate. The only relatively new government institution fighting antidemocratic propaganda is the Global Engagement Center, but it is in the State Department, and its mandate is to focus on authoritarian propaganda outside the United States. Established in 2016, it replaced the Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications, which sought to foil the Islamic State and other jihadist groups that were recruiting young people online. In 2014–15, as the scale of Russian disinformation campaigns in Europe were becoming better known, Congress designated the GEC to deal with Russian as well as Chinese, Iranian, and other propaganda campaigns around the world—although not, again, inside the United States. Throughout the Trump administration, the organization languished under the direction of a president who himself repeated Russian propaganda lines during the 2016 campaign—“Obama founded ISIS,” for example, and “Hillary will start World War III.”

One could call this a secret authoritarian “plot” to preserve the ability to spread antidemocratic conspiracy theories, except that it’s not a secret. It’s all visible, right on the surface. Russia, China, and sometimes other state actors—Venezuela, Iran, Hungary—work with Americans to discredit democracy, to undermine the credibility of democratic leaders, to mock the rule of law. They do so with the goal of electing Trump, whose second presidency would damage the image of democracy around the world, as well as the stability of democracy in America, even further. 

Of course right wingers here applaud foreign interference helping Trump. AKA TRAITORS.

Just like the Russian (stolen email leaks) help that Trump exploited at  HIS RALLIES in 2016. 🤮