Bill Gates: Rich nations should shift entirely to synthetic beef

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

1. The governments and institutions have propagated this climate fear-porn for decades now. NONE of their over the top predictions have come to pass. Why?

2. How is it that so much effort and money...OUR money...is blown on warping science and lying to the faces of the "masses"?

3. How would I make it clear? By telling the Gawd Forsaken truth!

4. There is no climate crisis. In fact, it appears the poles and oceans are now cooling a bit.

5. What to do? 

1. Actually - for your points to be valid you have to continually separate "them" as policy-makers vs scientists.  The temperature predictions have been sound for the most part.   

2. I actually stated in the past post that it may not be a lie so I can't respond to that.

3. Here's an example other contexts: assuming there's a real pandemic that is a threat to life, is the government justified in lying about the usefulness of face masks in order to prevent people from buying them, hoarding them and depleting the supply?  If we are at war with another country and it's not going well, is the government justified in keeping that under cover to keep up morale?  Not easy questions.

4. "Crisis" is highly subjective.  Warming is happening, though, and the question is: how great is the risk.  But this thread isn't going to be about debating climate change (again).  The link in my signature has been there for years and nobody has come back with a challenge that convinces me that it's not true.

5. Yes, but you misunderstand my question.  Not what to do about climate, but what to do about politics and our public dialogue ?

[herbie]

Real men don't eat quiche. Or tofu. Synthetic beef is an utter abomination.
He says gobbling down a hot dog, a Big Mac and a shake made with Elmers glue.

Even worse if it's cheaper and better for you and the environment, then it's obviously some nefarious plot to steal our precious body fluids.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The link in my signature has been there for years and nobody has come back with a challenge that convinces me that it's not true.

The same people who say "everyone agrees on climate change" also say "everyone agrees about safe & effective vaccines", "the Freedom convoy was a bunch of destructive racists and misogynists", "mostly peaceful protests", "Trump referred to immigrants as animals", "there's no inflation", "the Afghanistan withdrawal was a success", "everything is Trump's fault", etc, etc. 

When are you going to find it in you to just be a little tiny bit skeptical of the things that you see on CNN, CTV and the Enquirer? 

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. The same people who say "everyone agrees on climate change" also say "everyone agrees about safe & effective vaccines", "the Freedom convoy was a bunch of destructive racists and misogynists", "mostly peaceful protests", "Trump referred to immigrants as animals", "there's no inflation", "the Afghanistan withdrawal was a success", "everything is Trump's fault", etc, etc. 

2. When are you going to find it in you to just be a little tiny bit skeptical of the things that you see on CNN, CTV and the Enquirer? 

1. Dogs breakfast of statements.  If you lump them all together that's probably not going to clarify anything.
2. Like the anti-Israel protests ?  I'm beyond skeptical - I know exactly what they are saying and why.  But just because I know there are probably some bug parts in my peanut butter doesn't mean I dive onto an anthill with a knife and fork, get it ? 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Again, they provide not evidence to the contrary, they don't provide sources, they just disagree. 

If the Arctic isn't warming, why is the sea ice disappearing and why are Arctic glaciers melting at an unprecedented rate?

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/?intent=121

 

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

https://www.livescience.com/greenland-glacier-melt-model

Because the story you're being fed is a lie. Or do you now not really believe "the science"?

Such hypocrisy...

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Actually - for your points to be valid you have to continually separate "them" as policy-makers vs scientists.  The temperature predictions have been sound for the most part.   

2. I actually stated in the past post that it may not be a lie so I can't respond to that.

3. Here's an example other contexts: assuming there's a real pandemic that is a threat to life, is the government justified in lying about the usefulness of face masks in order to prevent people from buying them, hoarding them and depleting the supply?  If we are at war with another country and it's not going well, is the government justified in keeping that under cover to keep up morale?  Not easy questions.

4. "Crisis" is highly subjective.  Warming is happening, though, and the question is: how great is the risk.  But this thread isn't going to be about debating climate change (again).  The link in my signature has been there for years and nobody has come back with a challenge that convinces me that it's not true.

5. Yes, but you misunderstand my question.  Not what to do about climate, but what to do about politics and our public dialogue ?

1. The scientists said the politicians are warping their findings and conclusions. Of course they are separated.

3. Telling the truth would be nice.

4. Ahhh...now you wanna argue morality and degrees there of for each individual. Ain't-a-gonna work buck-o. There is no crisis because there is no crisis. That's the bottom line. "BELIEVE THE SCIENCE!"

5. Again...tell the fcking truth.!

Edited May 7, 2024 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It absolutely does. There is no crisis. None of your vaunted "scientists" will go any further than to say "could be". And all of them are government funded.

Thus all this financial and infrastructure damage is caused by a massive lie told to scare people into acceptance of the damage being done.

Causing mass hysteria and convincing to public to acquiesce to inflicting suffering on themselves based on a lie...is EVIL!

It's NOT a lie. And the EVIL is people starving in the world because it takes 10x the resources to raise real beef.

For myself, I rarely eat any kind of beef anymore. Mostly I just put chicken on my SALAD.

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Real men don't eat quiche. Or tofu. Synthetic beef is an utter abomination.
He says gobbling down a hot dog, a Big Mac and a shake made with Elmers glue.

Even worse if it's cheaper and better for you and the environment, then it's obviously some nefarious plot to steal our precious body fluids.

The food, for the most part, does suck here in the US, but that doesn't give the synthetic meat argument any credibility. We still need to stuff that agenda down Gates' throat.  

[Nationalist]

45 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It's NOT a lie. And the EVIL is people starving in the world because it takes 10x the resources to raise real beef.

For myself, I rarely eat any kind of beef anymore. Mostly I just put chicken on my SALAD.

Lol...ok Sally...

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

1. The scientists said the politicians are warping their findings and conclusions. Of course they are separated.

3. Telling the truth would be nice.

4. Ahhh...now you wanna argue morality and degrees there of for each individual. Ain't-a-gonna work buck-o. There is no crisis because there is no crisis. That's the bottom line. "BELIEVE THE SCIENCE!"

5. Again...tell the fcking truth.!

All you have to contribute is personal insults and calling people liars. You don't believe in anything you don't want to, that's your concept of science.

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

All you have to contribute is personal insults and calling people liars. You don't believe in anything you don't want to, that's your concept of science.

No I have lots more than just insults. I have "potty-mouth" too. And ya know...I prefer to make use of both, where appropriate. 

For instance...

You like to say what amounts to nothing quite often. Oh you like your little smilies and such...but basically you contribute fluff.

So do have a warm and fuzzy day...Fluffy...

Edited May 7, 2024 by Nationalist

[impartialobserver]

 I would say that its not a bad idea what Gates proposes but I would say that his motivation is off. In terms of water conservation, it would help if we did not have as much cattle grazing in the arid West. Also, a diet less concentrated on animal proteins and fats would not be a bad idea. However, climate change... a bit of a reach. 

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

1. Telling the truth would be nice.

2.  There is no crisis because there is no crisis.  

1. So you're okay with allowing an actual crisis to happen instead of keeping information hidden? Okay 

2. There doesn't have to be a crisis in order for us to act.  

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. So you're okay with allowing an actual crisis to happen instead of keeping information hidden? Okay 

2. There doesn't have to be a crisis in order for us to act.  

1. You have my answer. Lying is a "bad" thing to do. It leads to people making "bad" decisions. In both your cases, eventually the public would find the truth and respond poorly. There would be a reduction in the trust the public has in government.

2. When we're talkin' about producing both huge negative financial reprocussions and evident additional hardship with regards to heating and living conditions...

YES MIKE...THERE BLOODY WELL BETTER BE A MASSIVE CRISIS!

and there just ain't.

Edited May 7, 2024 by Nationalist

[Michael Hardner]

20 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. You have my answer. Lying is a "bad" thing to do. It leads to people making "bad" decisions. In both your cases, eventually the public would find the truth and respond poorly. There would be a reduction in the trust the public has in government.

2. When we're talkin' about producing both huge negative financial reprocussions and evident additional hardship with regards to heating and living conditions...

YES MIKE...THERE BLOODY WELL BETTER BE A MASSIVE CRISIS!

and there just ain't.

1. Yeah but ostensibly there's also a benefit.  If you can't acknowledge that part, then so much for truth.  Trade offs happen all the time.

2. Two things. Acting early for any kind of crisis means you pay less now than you would later.  Secondly the costs are estimated at 1 to 7% ... https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-023-00041-w

Now that's huge in absolute terms. But it's a sales tax , relative to our output.  So, not exactly arguing with you... just framing it.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yeah but ostensibly there's also a benefit.  If you can't acknowledge that part, then so much for truth.  Trade offs happen all the time.

2. Two things. Acting early for any kind of crisis means you pay less now than you would later.  Secondly the costs are estimated at 1 to 7% ... https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-023-00041-w

Now that's huge in absolute terms. But it's a sales tax , relative to our output.  So, not exactly arguing with you... just framing it.

1. You have my answer. It's the same one your own parents tried to teach you.

2. I read most of your article. I don't believe the "1% to 7%" crap, but even at 7% the inflation is stifling. 

Oil and gas touch pretty much every other market. What has been done in the name of hockus-friggin-pokus is just plain old stupid.

[herbie]

Steak was featured in a big BBQ display at the store. T-bone for $68 something a kg, that's $31/lb. I'll judge the lab grown after I taste some.
"Newfy steak" is almost as much as prime rib was 5 yrs ago.

Can't be worse than Spam!

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Dogs breakfast of statements.  If you lump them all together that's probably not going to clarify anything.

And "climate change is real" comes from a dog's breakfast of liars and anonymous 'scientists'. 

Real climatologists go on record saying it's bunk, but there's no money in going against the Dems' chosen science. 

The real thing to consider here is that only known liars and gov't-funded/anonymous scientists pimp climate change. 

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2. Like the anti-Israel protests ?  I'm beyond skeptical - I know exactly what they are saying and why.  But just because I know there are probably some bug parts in my peanut butter doesn't mean I dive onto an anthill with a knife and fork, get it ? 

CNN/CTV are the anthill - clocking in at 95% lies - not the peanut butter which is 99% food. 

[impartialobserver]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

Steak was featured in a big BBQ display at the store. T-bone for $68 something a kg, that's $31/lb. I'll judge the lab grown after I taste some.
"Newfy steak" is almost as much as prime rib was 5 yrs ago.

Can't be worse than Spam!

Spam... used to find that stuff repulsive but now can stomach it if you prepare it the right way. I usually sear it in a pan with some red pepper flakes then take them out. Scramble some eggs and then combine the two along with some red habanero-based hot sauce. Not too bad. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

1. And "climate change is real" comes from a dog's breakfast of liars and anonymous 'scientists'. 

2. Real climatologists go on record saying it's bunk, but there's no money in going against the Dems' chosen science. 

 

1. What are you talking about?  They are famous and their work has been scrutinized by hundreds, thousands of experts.

2. Like WHO?  Name a single climate scientist who has published a credible counter argument in the last 30 years.  Not a YouTube, or a blog post... Not an oil expert, weather man, or geologist...

You're just blabbering with these claims... 

Scientists are paid by universities and research grants to be accurate.  A single Climate Scientist who found a credible counter theory would be world famous and wealthy.  

The fact that Oil Company think tanks like Heartland funded actual disinformation make your comment on the level of troll.

[herbie]

A camping out necessity fried for breakfast.
When you used a tent instead of a 44 ft motor home.

When i see a field of cattle the last thing I think of is them farting. More like them being trucked all the way to Alberta, processed by immigrants paid as little as legally possible, stuffed into silvered shrink wrap like it was a video card so you can't see its colour, trucked all the way back and marked up 100X it's cost, and thrown in the garbage if it's not sold by the best before date while they feed you bullshit they have to because of food regulations.
The whole system is fubar and someone's worried about cow farts instead of diesel fumes while another bawls like they're taking his Happy Meal away.

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. What are you talking about?  They are famous and their work has been scrutinized by hundreds, thousands of experts.

Wrong. What you're talking about is disingenuous drivel that was upgraded to actual lies.

The whole "97% consensus" quote was false. A bunch of climatologists were asked if they thought it was legit and half of them never responded either way, but of the ones that did, it was 97% affirmative. Overall, it was still less than half of the people polled though.

"Experts" are people paid for their opinions, and bought and paid for opinions are garbage.

If Kerry et al really believed what they were saying they wouldn't be flying around in private jets. 

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2. Like WHO?  Name a single climate scientist who has published a credible counter argument in the last 30 years.  Not a YouTube, or a blog post... Not an oil expert, weather man, or geologist...

Judith Curry. She's not the only one, but Google searches favour their masters, not reliable results. It's not easy to find the truth on Google, and when it's buried, how will you ever know? Just remember that google is part of TNI, and TNI is short for "liars incorporated". 

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You're just blabbering with these claims... 

Scientists are paid by universities and research grants to be accurate.  A single Climate Scientist who found a credible counter theory would be world famous and wealthy.  

The fact that Oil Company think tanks like Heartland funded actual disinformation make your comment on the level of troll.

Au contraire Mikey.

All of this stuff has been brought up on this forum in the past. You can't pretend that you never heard of an actual climatologist denying the climate change cartel before today. You're definitely trolling. 

[gatomontes99]

I just ate an Elk burger stuffed with pork chorizo. I'm glad the 2nd Amendment hasn't been completely invalidated yet. Because if they try to take my red meat, they will have hell to pay.

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

A camping out necessity fried for breakfast.
When you used a tent instead of a 44 ft motor home.

When i see a field of cattle the last thing I think of is them farting. More like them being trucked all the way to Alberta, processed by immigrants paid as little as legally possible, stuffed into silvered shrink wrap like it was a video card so you can't see its colour, trucked all the way back and marked up 100X it's cost, and thrown in the garbage if it's not sold by the best before date while they feed you bullshit they have to because of food regulations.
The whole system is fubar and someone's worried about cow farts instead of diesel fumes while another bawls like they're taking his Happy Meal away.

Almost everything that you just said is so wrong that it's comical.

An example of ridiculous beef shipping legislation is when Ottawa's tax regulations were changed to make it untenable to slaughter cattle and package the meat at Alberta plants, so Alberta cattle were shipped on the hoof all the way to Ontario and then slaughtered there. 

How much do you think a steak should cost when cattle are raised on expensive farms, fed for 12-20 months, shipped, slaughtered, processed, shipped to stores and then sold? People want to make a profit at every step of the process, and there's carbon tax on the fuel used by farmers, cartage companies, etc. Can $3 steak be a thing in 2024? 🤣

Is food thrown out because of silly regulations, or because of dangerous things like E Coli 157 and ptomaine that can kill you?

You're a funny guy, herbie.

[Michael Hardner]

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

1. Judith Curry. She's not the only one, but Google searches favour their masters, not reliable results 

1. Ok, well good.  You found one.  Your rationale for there being no others is Google searches? That makes zero sense.  Oreskes published the definitive paper on it.  There's almost no opposition.  I'm glad to learn of Curry and will read up.  But she seems to be by herself, and no Google conspiracy will change that.

And I haven't heard of another climate scientist who's published recently, no.  Go di8a post and show me to be wrong, go ahead.