Pro-Hamas Rallies in Canada

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Clear as fog.

I have detailed in other posts why this story interests me. Just because someone does not share your views or religiosity... does not mean that their interest is not as valid. 

[ironstone]

Some people claim there is a campaign of genocide in Gaza which has been ongoing for many years.

If so, it's the most ineffective and incompetent campaign of genocide in world history. This link is from 2016 but you get the idea.

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-united-nations-palestinian-territories-gaza-strip-0b9fbb989fc2411495afd811da4ac6d0

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1491QF/

From 2022: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/israel-palestinians-gaza-population/

All they do is make babies, rockets, bombs and tunnels.

[Army Guy]

7 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Israel isn't interested in a two-state solution either.

"How can we stop them from hating us? I know, let's starve their children to death!"

Do you have proof of that, it seems history says different...Israel has offered many times a peace deal that would include a 2 state solution, why would they offer if they had no interest in a deal....

Why so dramatic ,Nobody in Gaza is starving, or near starving.... Is that your objective here to get them to like you... they hate everyone that is not muslim...If palestinians are hungry it is because Hamas allows it...I think one has to remember a few key points here, One that Palestinians voted Hamas in during free elections...once in, they killed their political opponents, and have not had an election since...Got to be a red flag....Second the palestinian people seem alright with that as their has been no one group to stand up to them. even with Israel having Hamas on the ropes they the palestinian people still do not stand up and fight for their freedom...I know you don't have the answer..

It seems almost everything that has been tried is not working, most try's have been total failures....and since they hate us anyways, why not some tough love...show them that the rest of the world is sick of their shit, and cut off the taps...or perhaps your one of those that prefers continuing on beating our heads against the wall hoping to get different results...

 

 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I have been on this thread form the beginning. I am glad you do not expect me to agree....then you should stop trying LOL

Even the US is now distancing itself from the crap Israel is doing... disagree with them...go ahead LOL

The US,which has a law giving Israel over 3 billion dollars a year in military supplies and is halting the supplies.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/biden-says-us-won-t-supply-weapons-for-israel-to-attack-rafah-in-warning-to-ally/ar-BB1m2CJt?cvid=6239eadc3a8a4751f6b6a6cec38ba899&ei=15

Us is suspending shipments of large diameter bombs over concerns that using them in rafah would cause more civilian casualties..., everything else is flowing as per contracts. 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Us is suspending shipments of large diameter bombs over concerns that using them in rafah would cause more civilian casualties..., everything else is flowing as per contracts. 

Biden has a problem in that a lot of the people who are on side with and funding the protests are also donors for his campaign. He'll have to walk a bit of a line and at least look like he's trying to hold israel back. 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Israel isn't interested in a two-state solution either.

Cite?

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"How can we stop them from hating us? I know, let's starve their children to death!"

Cite?

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Biden has a problem in that a lot of the people who are on side with and funding the protests are also donors for his campaign. He'll have to walk a bit of a line and at least look like he's trying to hold israel back. 

Biden has a problem called no spine, no brains, no integrity, no general worth as a human being. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Black Dog said:

It's always good when people like you can read something like this or look at a photos of dead kids being pulled from rubble and say "good, they deserve it." It's a real mask off moment for those of us who aren't bloodthirsty freaks.

The only people cheering at the sight of dead kids are the Palestinians.

Palestinians kill children with their own hands and they revel in it. 

Palestinians leave their children to die in Gaza for photo ops. 

FYI Gaza is only 25 miles long. Anyone who wanted to walk all the way from the very furthest end of Gaza to the Egyptian border could have done so over 100 times by now: Oct 7th was over 200 days ago, and it doesn't take 2 days to walk 25 miles.  

Why are there still kids there, Black Dog, if not to die for some juicy propaganda? 

If your child was in Gaza, would you not have them out by now? 

[Army Guy]

On 5/8/2024 at 8:15 PM, impartialobserver said:

your solution assumes that other muslim nations would not come to the "aid" of Palestine and act as the rich benefactor for their war effort. Who knows.. they may agree to something now and then attack later.

 

Folks can live in poverty for a long time if they have a crusade or cause they are fighting for so not sure that sanctions would change their view. If anything, it would create desperation and widen the gap.  They lay claim to the land because the arab/berber population in what we call Palestine predates Judaism and Israel. 

What do we care what other nations do, if they step up then fine...Not everyone abides by others foreign policy anyways, look at sanctions of Russia, China, India, North korea are buying russian oil like no tommorrow...and they are under threat of UN sanctions of their own if they get caught..

The gap can not get any wider than it is today....They can claim whatever they want...

here are some sources that disagree...it depends on what they take into account such as written text, verbal content, etc...

https://www.oldest.org/religion/religions/

https://www.britannica.com/story/which-religion-is-the-oldest

 

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

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Biden has a problem in that a lot of the people who are on side with and funding the protests are also donors for his campaign.

Biden has a problem called no spine, no brains, no integrity, no general worth as a human being. 

Biden has TWO problems ......   

[Videospirit]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If the stated goal of Palestinian governments [or whatever you wanna call their 'leadership' groups] wasn't genocide, then Israel wouldn't have had the moral/ethical need for said blockades. 

There is 0 justification for the blockades. Either Palestine is actively in the process of attacking Israel, or whatever it's doing is none of Israel's business.

If Palestine is actively in the process of attacking Israel, defeat Palestine militarily and install a new regime by force. If it's not, leave Palestine alone.

It's extremely simple.

Instead Israel chose to actively oppress Palestinians indefinitely and act like a pariah state. The only explanation for Israel's behavior is if Israel was hoping to one day annex Palestine into itself or they really really want to genocide Palestinians. Either way makes Israel the villain here. They could Perform a Regime Change, withdraw from Gaza and the west bank, and have this war over very quickly if they wanted, and they'd probably be able to claim Jerusalem entirely for themselves if they really wanted. Israel does not want Peace.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Just because someone does not share your views or religiosity... does not mean that their interest is not as valid. 

The problem is as an atheist, you would not believe the fact that the Bible tells us that God chose Israel as a special people for his purposes several thousand years ago and he gave them the land of Israel for perpetuity.  This is of vital importance in the whole subject.  The Jews are one of the only ethnic groups that survived in spite of everything that happened to them in the world in the past several thousand years.  That alone is a kind miracle.

They have also been the target of hatred by much of the world during the past 2,000 years and a third of them were killed off by the Nazis in the Holocaust.  In spite of all that has happened, they miraculously re-established the state of Israel in 1948.  But they know they must continue to fight for their survival.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...I think one has to remember a few key points here, One that Palestinians voted Hamas in during free elections...once in, they killed their political opponents, and have not had an election since..

The 30000 Palestinians that have been killed since October are victims of collective punishment for something they're not responsible for. Israel and it's allies should be changing the regime in Iran instead.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The 30000 Palestinians that have been killed since October are victims of collective punishment for something they're not responsible for. 

Really. So NONE of them were combatants? NO hamas soldiers have  been killed? ALL of those 30,000 people were just innocent people who had absolutely nothing to do with hamas in any way shape or from.  This is your claim. 

As we know that's complete bullcrap.  So again the fact you feel the need to lie like that shows even you don't believe what's happening is that bad, you have to make it sound worse. 

As to 'not responsible' - we've addressed that plenty too. They are responsible for their gov't. They are responsible for supporting hamas using them and their children as meat shields. A country and it's people are responsible for their gov't.  And the polls are pretty clear by this point that they do support hamas - soooooo 

Not to mention none of the 'protest groups' are calling for hamas to surrender or end the war or even to stop using the civvies as meat shields  so obviously they support the death of the children as well as part of the war effort. 

Hamas can end this tomorrow. If they don't they're the ones who are ok with the killing. 

[WestCanMan]

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The problem is as an atheist, you would not believe the fact that the Bible tells us that God chose Israel as a special people for his purposes several thousand years ago and he gave them the land of Israel for perpetuity.  This is of vital importance in the whole subject.  The Jews are one of the only ethnic groups that survived in spite of everything that happened to them in the world in the past several thousand years.  That alone is a kind miracle.

They have also been the target of hatred by much of the world during the past 2,000 years and a third of them were killed off by the Nazis in the Holocaust.  In spite of all that has happened, they miraculously re-established the state of Israel in 1948.  But they know they must continue to fight for their survival.

I'm an atheist, and although I wouldn't advocate for any new "mandates", like the Pakistan and Israel mandates of the past which caused so much bloodshed (Pakistan 1947) and strife (Israel 1948-present), Israel is there now and getting rid of Israel is not an option from a humanitarian POV. 

I couldn't care less about the Jews' standing as "children of God". They can all kiss my ass as far as that's concerned. If it came down to acknowledging that BS or letting the muslims run them into the ocean, I'll just hope that they all have lifejackets on. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, CdnFox said:

Really. So NONE of them were combatants? NO hamas soldiers have  been killed? ALL of those 30,000 people were just innocent people who had absolutely nothing to do with hamas in any way shape or from.  This is your claim. 

Accountability isn't in the leftard dictionary: it has too many letters. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Accountability isn't in the leftard dictionary: it has too many letters. 

They think it's the skillset necessary to be a CPA. 

[User]

35 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The 30000 Palestinians that have been killed since October are victims of collective punishment for something they're not responsible for. Israel and it's allies should be changing the regime in Iran instead.

No, at least 1/3 of those are Hamas militants killed in a war. The rest are the tragic collateral damage from killing that 1/3 because Hamas is fighting from among their people and, instead of helping to keep their people safe, they willingly endanger them just so they can get folks like you to play the stupid games you are doing right now. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, at least 1/3 of those are Hamas militants killed in a war. The rest are the tragic collateral damage from killing that 1/3 because Hamas is fighting from among their people and, instead of helping to keep their people safe, they willingly endanger them just so they can get folks like you to play the stupid games you are doing right now. 

Who knows...thousands of them are little kids though. You want to quibble over the rest fly at it.

Fu ck Israel, fu ck Hamas, fu ck everyone's allies too. The whole things a disgrace.

The creation of Israel has been an unmitigated disaster...it is what it is. Everyone needs to deal with it better.

[User]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Who knows...thousands of them are little kids though. You want to quibble over the rest fly at it.

Fu ck Israel, fu ck Hamas, fu ck everyone's allies too. The whole things a disgrace.

The creation of Israel has been an unmitigated disaster...it is what it is. Everyone needs to deal with it better.

You are on here making a bogus assertion that Israel was punishing these people through collective punishment. 

I don't want to quibble anymore than you want to push bogus assertions. 

The creation of Israel isn't a disaster. The continued hate of Israel and the push to kill all the Jews is the problem. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

Fu ck Israel, fu ck Hamas, fu ck everyone's allies too. The whole things a disgrace.

 

Nope.  Hamas is an evil org. Israel is justified.  
 

Of course kids are dying. That happens in war. That's why it's BAD TO START WARS. It's true in any war but it's especially true in a war where one side is holding the children up and shooting from behind them. That would be the ones who started the war.

It would be disgraceful not to go in and clean them out. Whatever price has to be paid will have to be paid. That's pretty horrible but war is pretty horrible and if these people are allowed to escape they will just start another one.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, at least 1/3 of those are Hamas militants killed in a war. 

IMO it's more than 50% actual terrorists, but if you count active supporters of Hamas, it's probably 2/3+. Consider this:

1. When you consider that 50% of people are men to start with, you'd almost expect 40% of people injured in a surprise bomb attack to be military-aged men, 90% of whom would either be Hamas terrorists or terrorist supporters. That's 36% of the population right there.

2. These aren't surprise attacks, so a lot of non-terrorists have fled the war zones, meaning these war zones have an unusually high concentration of men - especially military-age males - and by the same token, a far lower concentration of women and children than normal. In the war zones it's probably something like 75% military-age males. A bomb going off in any random location there would probably affecting about 66% terrorists and terrorist supporters.

3. Don't forget that Hamas are terrorists and murderers, and aiding and abetting murderers makes one a criminal themselves. Therefor, a 30 yr old female that helps hide weapons and ammo, and provides shelter and other logistical support to people whom she knows to be terrorists, actually IS a terrorist herself. So not only active Hamas fighters and male Hamas supporters count as "terrorists", a fair portion of the women there count as valid military targets as well. 

4. Israelis are specifically targeting places where the terrorists are known to be, and if those Hamas guys have any humanity at all, women and children aren't right beside them at that moment. So if a bomb is aimed at a certain spot and detonates, it's probably going to be an 80% terrorist to non-terrorist ratio.

5. At least 95% of people who are killed by small arms fire would be combatants. The other 1-5% would be peculiarly close to actual combatants.

 

IMO, for all the reasons above, it's not unreasonable to guess that a bare minimum of 50% of the people killed are actual terrorists, and 2/3 of the rest are active supporters. That's 33 of the other 50%, so probably 83% or more of all the deaths are among terrorists and supporters. And that's as a minimum. If Hamas fighters have any humanity at all, and try to keep women and children away from them, then it would be more than 83%. Of the remaining 17%, most of those would be adults. 

I think that the propagandists pretending that a lot of innocents are being killed are way off base. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

You are on here making a bogus assertion that Israel was punishing these people through collective punishment.

I made it clear that Israel's allies are also culpable in their punishment.

1 hour ago, User said:

The creation of Israel isn't a disaster. The continued hate of Israel and the push to kill all the Jews is the problem.

The result of its creation is most certainly a disaster - all because we didn't want the Jews either. A big chunk of Germany should have been turned into a homeland for European Jews.

Too late for that though so Israel's allies need to bite the bullet and go fix what they broke.

It'll cost trillions. Like I said it was a disaster. Probably the single worst act of geopolitical vandalism in the history of geopolitics given the sheer scope and scale of the blowback.

And now we're leaving it to our grandkids to deal with. A real heritage we can all be proud of for sure.

[Videospirit]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hamas can end this tomorrow. If they don't they're the ones who are ok with the killing. 

What? Hamas has no power to end this conflict. Israel is the one constantly dragging this war out instead of forcing a peace on the clearly weaker foe. Hamas could maybe do something to earn themselves a ceasefire, but Israel is the one occupying Palestine, and hamas has no power to make them end the war.

[User]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

I made it clear that Israel's allies are also culpable in their punishment.

Just as bogus. I made it clear as to why. They were not being "punished"

If you are so concerned about these lives being lost, why do you not spend more time criticizing Hamas for their tactics in endangering them?

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

It'll cost trillions. Like I said it was a disaster. Probably the single worst act of geopolitical vandalism in the history of geopolitics given the sheer scope and scale of the blowback.

And now we're leaving it to our grandkids to deal with. A real heritage we can all be proud of for sure.

What exactly is it you think is going to cost trillions? What is this fix?

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, User said:

Just as bogus. I made it clear as to why. They were not being "punished"

You did no such thing. You figure they're bring rewarded?

2 hours ago, User said:

If you are so concerned about these lives being lost, why do you not spend more time criticizing Hamas for their tactics in endangering them?

I'm to busy criticizing the real root causes of the current outbreak of hostilities - Iran, Russia and China.

 

2 hours ago, User said:

What exactly is it you think is going to cost trillions? What is this fix?

War making, peace keeping, humanitarian aid rinse and repeat for generations to come. This is a forever war.