I am Groot Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 4 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Aha...there is the bias. You Canadian or an Israeli citizen?? They did leave, on Oct 7. I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Do you? If you're referring to the terrorist rapists who attacked Israel, they should all be hunted down and exterminated like the vermin they are. If you're talking about their immigrant supporters in Canada, they should be deported. 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I am seeing what is reported in the news. Not local news but international news BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, AP, UPI and others. I observe the world wide protests against the Israeli government. Israel is losing credibility and sympathy. Even the US are not as "warm" to them as they used to be. The US is even bypassing and setting up shipping to deliver aid the the besieged Palestinians. Perhaps you are "your seeing what you want to see and not the whole picture"? Perhaps he's just not so weak-minded as to see the information flows tailored for them by progressive anti-semites and demonstrations funded and organized by Iran, and think this is the side he should be on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: The mighty Israeli military with all their people and specialists and Mossad and equipment cannot find the leaders and just take care of them. Instead they need to bomb, raid and kill 30000 men, women and children in hospitals, schools and refugee camps and blockade any food, medical equipment and support to the citizens. This is the kind of thing Douglas Murray talks about in how certain types of Westerner hold Israel up to impossible standards no one else is expected to meet. You never cared about the slaughter of Iraqis or Syrians or Yemenis, but now that Israel is in a justifiable war every single civilian casualty makes your eyes bulge with outrage. I've posted articles detailing the incredible amount of effort they are making to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible, an effort no Western military has ever bothered to go to, an effort no Arab country would even consider, and you ignore it. You want Israel to somehow sneak through hundreds of thousands of ferociously hostile Palestinians to carefully find the bunkers their leaders are hiding in and just kill them. As if that would do the job when there are thousands of armed supporters still outside. You think they're going to do what then? Surrender? Why should they? They crave martyrdom fighting Jews! And most of the young men in Palestine have been raised to crave the same thing. The US dropped nuclear bombs on Japanese cities in order to spare their troops the enormous casualties they'd get if trying to attack them through the shield of millions of Japanese people who had been taught to resist to the last person. And you want the IDF to somehow take over Gaza without using bombs, missiles, artillery, and probably grenades either. So what if their casualties grow exponentially! What do you care! 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Pretty f'd up and you wonder why Palestinians are gaining support from all over the world?? Anyone who supports Palestinians is welcome to go live there. Including you. Edited April 25 by I am Groot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 45 minutes ago, I am Groot said: I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Do you? If you're referring to the terrorist rapists who attacked Israel, they should all be hunted down and exterminated like the vermin they are. If you're talking about their immigrant supporters in Canada, they should be deported. Perhaps he's just not so weak-minded as to see the information flows tailored for them by progressive anti-semites and demonstrations funded and organized by Iran, and think this is the side he should be on. I am not the brainwashed one. Seems you have too much bias. Bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 40 minutes ago, I am Groot said: This is the kind of thing Douglas Murray talks about in how certain types of Westerner hold Israel up to impossible standards no one else is expected to meet. You never cared about the slaughter of Iraqis or Syrians or Yemenis, but now that Israel is in a justifiable war every single civilian casualty makes your eyes bulge with outrage. .... Anyone who supports Palestinians is welcome to go live there. Including you. Nope, once again, nuke em all. Get it over with. 5000 years of hate and killing and war and it will never get better. Wipe em all out. I held no one to a higher standard. I hold them responsible for t=what they do, whomever it may be. Tell me of a war that is not justifiable in the eyes of Israel?? So all you have left is to insult me?? You just lost with stupid ass comments like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I am not the brainwashed one. Seems you have too much bias. Bye The Hamas war machine puts out propaganda that dwarfs the best efforts of Joseph Goebbels, all which you have bought into. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Groot Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Nope, once again, nuke em all. Get it over with. 5000 years of hate and killing and war and it will never get better. Wipe em all out. I held no one to a higher standard. I hold them responsible for t=what they do, whomever it may be. Tell me of a war that is not justifiable in the eyes of Israel?? So all you have left is to insult me?? You just lost with stupid ass comments like that. You insult me and everyone here with your incesent whining about how Israel isn't perfect and can't entirely avoid civilian casualties. You insult everyone here with your incessant whimpering about the lot of a small number of civilians killed in Gaza when you showed and continue to show ZERO interest in all the hundreds of thousands killed in Syria and Yemen and Iraq, not to mention Sudan. You insult my intelligence by ignoring the clearly explained facts and continuing to snivel. Please, just go away. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 12 minutes ago, I am Groot said: .... You insult my intelligence by ignoring the clearly explained facts and continuing to snivel. Please, just go away. I don't snivel. Here are some facts.... https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/gallery/university-campus-protests-gaza/index.html https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/business/minouche-shafik-columbia-president/index.html I ask the same of you "Please, just go away." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I don't snivel. Here are some facts.... https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/gallery/university-campus-protests-gaza/index.html https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/business/minouche-shafik-columbia-president/index.html I ask the same of you "Please, just go away." Boo Hoo Groot, don't like the facts or evidence? I didn't plant it or make it up but hey, there it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legato Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 46 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: I don't snivel. Here are some facts.... https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/us/gallery/university-campus-protests-gaza/index.html https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-usc-university-protests-04-25-24/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/business/minouche-shafik-columbia-president/index.html I ask the same of you "Please, just go away." What have those links about ill informed protesters to do with the false propaganda coming from Hamas? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Legato said: What have those links about ill informed protesters to do with the false propaganda coming from Hamas? This thread has wandered into many directions. (as so many thread do LOL) I responded to the claim saying that there are also world wide pro Palestine rallys. Oh and, you no like so they are ill informed??? LOL You all know I am playing you all??? You clearly do not read the entire posts and react and get pissed to whatever triggers you LOL Edited April 25 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 I wouldn't waste my time trying to debate with these hard core anti-Semites. They are not going to change. It is waste of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 11 hours ago, blackbird said: I wouldn't waste my time trying to debate with these hard core anti-Semites. They are not going to change. It is waste of time. So again, using you flawed logic all the people involved with the world wide protests are all anti semites?? Would there be a possibility that they see a 6 month campaign of bombing, raiding , killing women and children, devastating hospitals, communities, cities and refugee camps and preventing food and medical aid from entering may be wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: So again, using you flawed logic all the people involved with the world wide protests are all anti semites?? Would there be a possibility that they see a 6 month campaign of bombing, raiding , killing women and children, devastating hospitals, communities, cities and refugee camps and preventing food and medical aid from entering may be wrong? I am not in favour of any of those things. We are not in a position to know the truth of what exactly is going on. We do know there is evidence that Hamas operates from hospitals and wherever there are civilians. I am not sure how you eliminate Hamas when they are hiding among civilians. What would your solution be? I agree more caution should have been taken in trying to eliminate Hamas and aid should be getting in there. As far as the protests, from what I've heard on the news and that's all I have, is many of these protesters celebrate the Oct. 7 massacre and don't seem to oppose the attack on Israel by Hamas. They also direct many protests against Jews that live in the west. Edited April 26 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: So again, using you flawed logic all the people involved with the world wide protests are all anti semites?? Would there be a possibility that they see a 6 month campaign of bombing, raiding , killing women and children, devastating hospitals, communities, cities and refugee camps and preventing food and medical aid from entering may be wrong? What would you call it when they openly support a terrorist organization...I'd call it lots of other names and i suppose on that long list of names we might be able to put anti semite on it... I wonder why they just picked out this conflict and not any other conflict where the worse things are being carried out thats the question, i think the answer is that it is being carried out by Israel...perhaps you have a better idea... Name one conflict that these acts have NOT taken place...and where was the out cry then...the short answer is nobody really gives a rats ass about other conflicts this conflict has a jewish state with western governmental support, Palestinian propaganda has for decades been wining that PR campaign, and most western civilian hearts and minds...but in the end...this is a jewish state at war with a terrorist organization that is stateless...and a lot of people have sided with the terrorist...Terrorist never win anything, unless your a palestinian terrorist then they might win their own state... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 20 hours ago, blackbird said: I wouldn't waste my time trying to debate with these hard core anti-Semites. They are not going to change. It is waste of time. You may be right, but the truth has to be out there somewhere, and you can't just wait for CTV or CNN to come around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Army Guy said: What would you call it when they openly support a terrorist organization...I'd call it lots of other names and i suppose on that long list of names we might be able to put anti semite on it... I wonder why they just picked out this conflict and not any other conflict where the worse things are being carried out thats the question, i think the answer is that it is being carried out by Israel...perhaps you have a better idea... Name one conflict that these acts have NOT taken place...and where was the out cry then...the short answer is nobody really gives a rats ass about other conflicts this conflict has a jewish state with western governmental support, Palestinian propaganda has for decades been wining that PR campaign, and most western civilian hearts and minds...but in the end...this is a jewish state at war with a terrorist organization that is stateless...and a lot of people have sided with the terrorist...Terrorist never win anything, unless your a palestinian terrorist then they might win their own state... Look, I ain't about to argue with you. I am just not single minded. You call it what you want but all I am saying is that there seem to be many many (millions) of folks that do not agree with you? You are actually saying there is only Palestinian propaganda??? Heaven forbid there is Israeli propaganda, they are too righteous to stoop to that level??? LOL. In a war, both sides are equally culpable. The protests or rallys are not pro hamas, the are trying to stop the Israeli bombing, raids and killing. They are feeling for the citizens. Your premis is that everyone in Palestine is hamas and a terrorist. I think you are very wrong. While I think there are hamas, I certainly do not think all Palestinians are terrorists. They deserve their own state just like the Israelis do. Or are they guilty by association and all are hamas and deserve to die or live in tents on refugee camps?? Edited April 26 by ExFlyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: So again, using you flawed logic all the people involved with the world wide protests are all anti semites?? Knowingly or unknowlngly, yes. Iran et al have beed practicing this type of disinformation campaign for decades. It's slick. People fall prey to it fairly easily. Did you know that on the very first evening after Palestinians attacked Israel, there were already pro-Hamas protests all over the place? Why? What did they have to protest about? That their attacks didn't murder enough women and children? Did they want better access to the burning baby videos? Did they want to see videos of all the rape/murders? What was their protest about? Can you find the video where muslims are complaining about the horrific attack on Oct 7th, or do they all support it? Can you find any video of muslims still being angry about Pakistan's 800,000 murders in 1947, and the 8 million people who were expelled with no right to return? Happy hunting 😂 Their strategy is to just always shriek their victim status as long and loud as possible, and pretend that they never did anything wrong themselves. They're like a shitty ex-wife on steroids. That BS resonates with all of their religious bigots, and the victim cries of millions of people always cons a few outsiders. The muslims haven't been victims at any point since 650AD. They've been committing genocides and discriminating against minorities this whole time. Quote Would there be a possibility that they see a 6 month campaign of bombing, raiding , killing women and children, devastating hospitals, communities, cities and These protests started Oct 8th. Would there be a possibility that, seeing as this is the 4th Gaza war, and the Gazans keep doing larger and larger bomb attacks against Israeli targets, and they are openly calling for genocide against Jews, it's time to stop pretending that they need to be there? Fork Gaza. If you're with them, then you're supporting genocide against Israel, because that's all they really care about. They honestly care about a genocide against Israelis more than they care about the lives of their children. If you loved you children, would you keep them in a war zone for 6 months? Quote refugee camps Do you really think that there are 75 yr old refugee camps? Germany along took in more refugees than the total number of Palestinian refugees in 1948. FYI they aren't 'refugees', they're political pawns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Knowingly or unknowlngly, yes. Iran et al have beed practicing this type of disinformation campaign for decades. It's slick. People fall prey to it fairly easily. Did you know that on the very first evening after Palestinians attacked Israel, there were already pro-Hamas protests all over the place? Why? What did they have to protest about? That their attacks didn't murder enough women and children? Did they want better access to the burning baby videos? Did they want to see videos of all the rape/murders? What was their protest about? Can you find the video where muslims are complaining about the horrific attack on Oct 7th, or do they all support it? Can you find any video of muslims still being angry about Pakistan's 800,000 murders in 1947, and the 8 million people who were expelled with no right to return? Happy hunting 😂 Their strategy is to just always shriek their victim status as long and loud as possible, and pretend that they never did anything wrong themselves. They're like a shitty ex-wife on steroids. That BS resonates with all of their religious bigots, and the victim cries of millions of people always cons a few outsiders. The muslims haven't been victims at any point since 650AD. They've been committing genocides and discriminating against minorities this whole time. These protests started Oct 8th. Would there be a possibility that, seeing as this is the 4th Gaza war, and the Gazans keep doing larger and larger bomb attacks against Israeli targets, and they are openly calling for genocide against Jews, it's time to stop pretending that they need to be there? Fork Gaza. If you're with them, then you're supporting genocide against Israel, because that's all they really care about. They honestly care about a genocide against Israelis more than they care about the lives of their children. If you loved you children, would you keep them in a war zone for 6 months? Do you really think that there are 75 yr old refugee camps? Germany along took in more refugees than the total number of Palestinian refugees in 1948. FYI they aren't 'refugees', they're political pawns. Hey conman...who, besides you cares about your take? I sure don't LOL And neither do the millions that are rallying and supporting getting Israel out of Gaza. Get your ass outta the past...Germany??? Oh, I forgot, you live in the past LOL LOL Remember the brick wall you keep smashing your head into...well here it is again LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 (edited) On 4/24/2024 at 3:48 PM, I am Groot said: But the numbers coming from Hamas are deeply suspicious in that if the IDF and western intelligence agencies are correct in how many Hamas fighters they've killed EVER OTHER PERSON has been a woman or a child. Do you not find that even slightly suspicious? Israel counts every man of fighting age as a Hamas fighter, their numbers are bullshit too. Edited April 26 by Black Dog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 22 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Israel counts every man of fighting age as a Hamas fighter, their numbers are bullshit too. Hamas lists anyone under 18 as a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: Look, I ain't about to argue with you. I am just not single minded. You call it what you want but all I am saying is that there seem to be many many (millions) of folks that do not agree with you? You are actually saying there is only Palestinian propaganda??? Heaven forbid there is Israeli propaganda, they are too righteous to stoop to that level??? LOL. In a war, both sides are equally culpable. The protests or rallys are not pro hamas, the are trying to stop the Israeli bombing, raids and killing. They are feeling for the citizens. Your premis is that everyone in Palestine is hamas and a terrorist. I think you are very wrong. While I think there are hamas, I certainly do not think all Palestinians are terrorists. They deserve their own state just like the Israelis do. Or are they guilty by association and all are hamas and deserve to die or live in tents on refugee camps?? Instead of arguing about evil Israel, check out all the attempts Israel made for peace in the last decades. The Arabs made sure that didn't happen. Arafat was all about himself, worst thing before hamas ever to happen. And Google Son of Hamas and listen to what he says. So much more to learn than the propaganda being pumped out,by everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 8 minutes ago, PIK said: Hamas lists anyone under 18 as a child. That's because anyone under 18 is a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: That's because anyone under 18 is a child. Or a fighter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 27 Author Report Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: That's because anyone under 18 is a child. 1) So you're acknowledging that there were children spitting on the naked corpse of a Jewish woman after the Oct 7th attack... How do you feel about the fact that kids there are that repugnant? 2) It works out for them, they can say that the Israelis "have children in their jails", but they don't have to admit that there's no one under 17 there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 27 Author Report Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: That's because anyone under 18 is a child. When mohammed's army defeated the Banu Qurayza, just after the Battle of Trench, any Banu Qurayza with armpit hair was deemed to be a man, and they were given the option of converting to islam or having their heads chopped off. Over 500 people, as many as 900, were beheaded at that time. Mohammed's army then went to Mecca, and his exile from there was lifted, his army was unopposed. Just FYI, their definition of a man is not the same as yours. They're just using whichever one is most convenient at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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