Ukraine Can't Win the War

[BeaverFever]

On 7/10/2025 at 9:32 AM, User said:

OK, so what? He is certainly doing more to bring both sides to negotiate some peace than anyone else was doing. The position before was that if NATO countries just slowly trickle in support for the next 100 years I guess they can slowly watch Russia grind them down...

He’s not done anything but waste time and energy. He cut off aid to Ukraine while Russia launched largest missile attacks of the entire war. It’s taken him 6 months to learn what the rest of us have known for years 

 

On 7/10/2025 at 9:32 AM, User said:

This is hardly some "MAGA" position, but you are not an honest enough person to engage in with here on the obvious nuances between just being anti-war/isolationist/America First sentiment, an honest criticism that Russia was and had been quite clear about being staunchly opposed to Ukraine joining NATO and Europeans/NATO countries **** footing around on them joining while then ignoring helping Ukraine be prepared to defend themselves - there being some truth here, and the crazed lunatic Putin apologists on the fringe... 

The only people in Congress or this forum defending Putin and demonizing Zelenskyy are MAGA nutjobs like MTG and @Nationalist and @taxme, among others.  Sure you come across the odd leftover antiwar hippie alleging this is somehow all ginned up by the western military-industrial complex  but they are few and far between, on the far fringe of the left and unlike MAGA kooks they aren’t defending Putin or repeating obvious kremlin lies about biolabs and and a genocide of ethnic Russians 

 

On 7/10/2025 at 9:32 AM, User said:

You mean... how it all turned out to be true that Hunter Biden was working for a corrupt firm in Ukrain, raking in millions, spending money on his drug habits all while his Dad claimed to know nothing about any of it which also turned out to be a lie and much of this was found out from the laptop that they all lied about? That Hunter was not paying taxes on and then worked out a sweetheart deal with his daddy's DOJ to just sit on this and try to sweep it all under the rug in a plea deal?

Gee... nothing to see here folks. 

I mean what I said: he attempted to blackmail Ukraine for non-existent incriminating evidence, which he hoped to use to settle a personal vendetta. Not Hunter’s tax US tax return   Not Hunter’s federal firearms form that Republicans don’t even believe should exist in the first place.

 

On 7/10/2025 at 9:32 AM, User said:

Yes, under Obama... what Putin allegedly hoped for and what actually happened are two wildly different things. 

Trump was clear and threatened Putin to not invade Ukraine. I guess you want to forget about that little detail. 

In hindsight Obama underestimated Putin that’s clear.
 

Trump did not threaten Putin. He went to Helsinki and performed several homosexual acts on Putin in front of the world media, crowing about how stong and powerful Putin is and that he believes Putin’s word over that of US intelligence agencies. I don’t think there’s a single orifice or appendage on Putin’s body that didn’t get a thorough tongue-bath from Trump that day. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

He’s not done anything but waste time and energy. 

A lie. A clear and obvious hasty generalization -> lie. 

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

He cut off aid to Ukraine while Russia launched largest missile attacks of the entire war. It’s taken him 6 months to learn what the rest of us have known for years 

It was paused because of how awful Zelenski's visit was. Zelenski made the grave error in presuming he could do and say as he pleased and not work with Trump on his efforts towards peace. After Zelenski came around, aid was resumed. 

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I mean what I said: he attempted to blackmail Ukraine for non-existent incriminating evidence, which he hoped to use to settle a personal vendetta. Not Hunter’s tax US tax return   Not Hunter’s federal firearms form that Republicans don’t even believe should exist in the first place.

I mean what I said. It turned out Hunter Biden was engaged in corrupt illegal activity and Biden knew about it, lied, and then had his DOJ try to cover it up and bury it all with a sweatheart deal after already dragging their feet to the point the more serious tax evasion charges were past the date they could be brought. 

Hunters tax return... where do you think he was getting all that money from that he didn't report? UKRAINE!!!!

Hell, I didn't even remember to mention that while Hunter was getting paid by a Ukrainian company, while daddy was VP, he was using that influence to try to lobby the State Department to help Huter make business connections for Burisma. 

For crying out loud man, of course we find this crap out in 2024 when Biden is on his way out and the damage is already done. 

Trump had every right to believe there was corruption and want to see it investigated. 

13 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

In hindsight Obama underestimated Putin that’s clear.

In hindsight, so did Biden and all the other Western / NATO countries. 

You know who didn't? Trump. Putin didn't invade while he was President. Trump gave clear threats to Putin and gave better weapons to Ukraine. 

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump did not threaten Putin.

This is some 80 damn pages long now and I have repeatedly proven he did here already. FFS man, enough of the damn lies. Grow up, get some integrity. 

 

[taxme]

On 7/11/2025 at 2:18 PM, BeaverFever said:

He’s not done anything but waste time and energy. He cut off aid to Ukraine while Russia launched largest missile attacks of the entire war. It’s taken him 6 months to learn what the rest of us have known for years 

 

The only people in Congress or this forum defending Putin and demonizing Zelenskyy are MAGA nutjobs like MTG and @Nationalist and @taxme, among others.  Sure you come across the odd leftover antiwar hippie alleging this is somehow all ginned up by the western military-industrial complex  but they are few and far between, on the far fringe of the left and unlike MAGA kooks they aren’t defending Putin or repeating obvious kremlin lies about biolabs and and a genocide of ethnic Russians 

 

I mean what I said: he attempted to blackmail Ukraine for non-existent incriminating evidence, which he hoped to use to settle a personal vendetta. Not Hunter’s tax US tax return   Not Hunter’s federal firearms form that Republicans don’t even believe should exist in the first place.

 

In hindsight Obama underestimated Putin that’s clear.
 

Trump did not threaten Putin. He went to Helsinki and performed several homosexual acts on Putin in front of the world media, crowing about how stong and powerful Putin is and that he believes Putin’s word over that of US intelligence agencies. I don’t think there’s a single orifice or appendage on Putin’s body that didn’t get a thorough tongue-bath from Trump that day. 

Well dummy, why is it that we never get to hear Putin's side of the story? We only get the globalists side of the story that do want a war with Russia. When the lying and fake lieberal controlled MSM start reporting to we the sheeple and give us both sides of the story then i will never support Ukraine. Zelensky is a fraud and is being propped up by the haters of Russia. 

Just the other day on saw on Instagram where Zelensky is building a huge ski resort. If that is true, why are we as taxpayer's having to pay out billions to support his fascist regime. Times in Ukraine cannot be all that bad, eh? 

[User]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

Well dummy, why is it that we never get to hear Putin's side of the story?

Never get to hear it? Welcome to the internet, you can find his propaganda all over, including in this thread. Go tune into whatever propaganda networks are on in Russia. Watch some Tucker Carlson. 

What an ignorant question. 

 

 

[taxme]

19 hours ago, User said:

Never get to hear it? Welcome to the internet, you can find his propaganda all over, including in this thread. Go tune into whatever propaganda networks are on in Russia. Watch some Tucker Carlson. 

What an ignorant question. 

 

 

I was referring to the lying and fake leftist lieberal MSM and their lying propaganda. If it were not for the internet, we would never get to hear Russia's side of the story. At least Tucker Carlson can say whatever he wants to say now. When Tucker worked for pro Israel FOX NEWS he was not allowed to say comment or say anything about Russia unless it was against Russia. Tucker got fired from FOX NEWS because he said something that your pro Israeli ilk did not like. So much for fair and balanced news in the MSM, eh? 

You are becoming one of the most hateful and ignorant people here right now. Anyone that dares not to kiss your beloved ass, is an anti-semite. So again, quit with your bloody lies and bullshit about me being an anti-semite, you ignorant putz. 🤡

[taxme]

On 6/9/2024 at 7:26 PM, NAME REMOVED said:

Russia can end this war tomorrow by withdrawing from Ukraine territory.

Russia was invited by the Russian background population of Ukraine to help save them from Nazi Zelensky. Zelensky has been treating the people of the Donbas as 2nd class citizen's for decades now and they have had enough of Zelensky's hatred towards them. Putin is in the Donbas region and is never going to leave. If Zelensky thinks that he is going to get the Donbas back, he is even worse than stupid. The war will come to an end only when Zelensky finally realizes that he cannot get the Donbas back. Until then, people will continue to be injured or killed. It's Zelensky's call. 

[taxme]

On 5/21/2024 at 2:39 PM, Nationalist said:

And you might as well be bashing your head into a brick wall.

You are correct. I have no use for NATO. It's reason for existence was gone decades ago. Now all it does is cause sh1t and cost everyone. Oh but France want to send troops...or doesn't depending on who you ask...ya...NATO...big fcking deal.

Now even the MSM sees what's actually happening. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/11/europe/ukraine-kharkiv-russia-attack-intl/index.html

BTW...we know that America has been sending arms to Ukraine covertly since the beginning as well. What? You thought Obama was really just sending blankets?

This needs to end now before some pompous ass Frenchman dooms Europe to a disaster.

NATO and it's Neo Con war machine is what is keeping this war going on between Russia and Ukraine. 

Our fkn new Fascist loving dictator in Ottawa is still sending a lot of our tax dollars to Ukraine to help keep the war going. While we have our own big problems at home we are sending taxpayer's tax dollars to help fight a useless war. The globalist elite ilk want a war with Russia so they can knock off a few more millions of people and make billions of dollars in doing so. This is  not about creating peace, this is all about the money. Everything in this world is all about the money. 😒

[herbie]

Yes promote that TACO peace plan some more.
Unconditionally surrender to stop the war.

[User]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

You are becoming one of the most hateful and ignorant people here right now. Anyone that dares not to kiss your beloved ass, is an anti-semite

No, I think you are the first person I have called that here. 

 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes promote that TACO peace plan some more.
Unconditionally surrender to stop the war.

You do mean the Ukrainians would be surrendering...right?

I mean...it's their war...right?

[User]

18 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You do mean the Ukrainians would be surrendering...right?

I mean...it's their war...right?

No, it is not their war...

21 hours ago, herbie said:

Yes promote that TACO peace plan some more.
Unconditionally surrender to stop the war.

That is not the TACO peace plan... 

One day, maybe, you will get some integrity. 

[Nationalist]

20 minutes ago, User said:

No, it is not their war...

It's not? So who's war is it then?

[User]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

It's not? So who's war is it then?

Oh wow... gee... this is a tough one. It is the nation that started the war, the nation that is invading right now, the nation that continues to wage this war each day...

RUSSIA

[Aristides]

There is a meme going around lately that if Putin doesn't watch out, Trump will treat him as badly as he is  treating  Canada.

Edited July 16, 2025 by Aristides

[taxme]

On 7/14/2025 at 1:27 PM, User said:

No, I think you are the first person I have called that here. 

 

Any name you call me, i will accept it as a badge of honor. 🤡

[taxme]

On 7/15/2025 at 9:59 AM, User said:

Oh wow... gee... this is a tough one. It is the nation that started the war, the nation that is invading right now, the nation that continues to wage this war each day...

RUSSIA

Russia was invited in by the citizen's of the Donbas, whom are pretty much a majority of the people living in the Donbas,  and whom are of a Russian background and decent. They got fed up with Nazi Zelensky trying to make their lives bloody miserable. It is my understanding that those people want to join Russia as they have more in common with Russia rather with Ukraine. A little history lesson for you, mac. 

[User]

17 minutes ago, taxme said:

Any name you call me, i will accept it as a badge of honor. 🤡

Yes, most Anti-Semites are quite "proud" of that. 

 

[User]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

Russia was invited in by the citizen's of the Donbas, whom are pretty much a majority of the people living in the Donbas,  and whom are of a Russian background and decent. They got fed up with Nazi Zelensky trying to make their lives bloody miserable. It is my understanding that those people want to join Russia as they have more in common with Russia rather with Ukraine. A little history lesson for you, mac. 

No, Russia was not invited in. Russia waged a shadow war there feeding arms, training, and outright Russian military units as well as private contractors that were basically defacto Russian military to aid in the take over of local government buildings and then to preside over a sham election. 

So what is your excuse for the full invasion of Ukraine in total?

 

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, most Anti-Semites are quite "proud" of that. 

 

You appear to me to be very anti-gentile at times towards me. So, i see that you did not reply to my post about Israel bombing the naval ship The Liberty in the ME several decades ago. Why? Just curious. 😇 

[User]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

You appear to me to be very anti-gentile at times towards me. So, i see that you did not reply to my post about Israel bombing the naval ship The Liberty in the ME several decades ago. Why? Just curious. 😇 

Why did you bring it up when it had nothing to do with anything here?

 

[taxme]

3 minutes ago, User said:

No, Russia was not invited in. Russia waged a shadow war there feeding arms, training, and outright Russian military units as well as private contractors that were basically defacto Russian military to aid in the take over of local government buildings and then to preside over a sham election. 

So what is your excuse for the full invasion of Ukraine in total?

 

I just told you. The people wanted Putin to enter the Donbas to help the people of the Donbas in trying to get rid of Nazi Zelensky and get the buffoon off their backs. If Zelensky thinks that he can take back the Donbas, and Crimea, well, he is living in la-la land. The war will end when Zelensky finally realizes that he can not win with Putin. Only Zelensky can end this war. Just my opinion. 

3 minutes ago, User said:

Why did you bring it up when it had nothing to do with anything here?

 

I only wanted to get your opinion about the bombing of the American naval ship called the Liberty by Israel? Care to comment?  

[User]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

I just told you. The people wanted Putin to enter the Donbas to help the people of the Donbas in trying to get rid of Nazi Zelensky and get the buffoon off their backs. If Zelensky thinks that he can take back the Donbas, and Crimea, well, he is living in la-la land. The war will end when Zelensky finally realizes that he can not win with Putin. Only Zelensky can end this war. Just my opinion. 

No, you just fed me the Russian/Putin propaganda for what Russia did in the Donbas, that is not an explanation for the invasion of the entirety of Ukraine. 

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

I only wanted to get your opinion about the bombing of the American naval ship called the Liberty by Israel? Care to comment?  

Why? You didn't answer my question as to why. 

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, User said:

No, you just fed me the Russian/Putin propaganda for what Russia did in the Donbas, that is not an explanation for the invasion of the entirety of Ukraine. 

Why? You didn't answer my question as to why. 

WTF. Russia has not invaded all of Ukraine. Where did you get that lying pos nonsense from? Your comrades in arms? 

Now you are trying to confuse things once again and avoid my question. So, what question did i not answer "as to why"? 

You do know that i know that you will not reply to my question to you about what Israel did to the Liberty that at the time was flying an American flag? I know that you will avoid that question like the plague. 😒

 

[taxme]

On 6/10/2024 at 12:24 PM, NAME REMOVED said:

Do you know how to distinguish right from wrong? Invading a sovereign nation, committing war crimes, raping and killing women and children,  and kidnapping thousands of Ukrainian children and forcing them into Russia is justified because Ukraine is corrupt???

Didn't your parents ever teach you morality?

Where the hell did you get all of those phkn lies from? Didn't your parents teach you not to lie and spread bullshit?

Zelensky is one of the most corrupt people in the world who runs a corrupt government. In Ukraine there is no other official political party allowed in Ukraine and no more media left to say anything truthful about the war going on in the Ukraine. 

Who is to say that many soldiers in the Ukranian army did not rape and murder women and children that live in the Donbas? If they did, the lying and fake lieberal MSM would never tell us. 🤡

[User]

44 minutes ago, taxme said:

WTF. Russia has not invaded all of Ukraine. Where did you get that lying pos nonsense from? Your comrades in arms? 

I did not say they invaded all of Ukraine, but they are trying. At the outset of the war, they went straight for Kiev and started to surround the city until they overextended their logistics and got pushed back. 

46 minutes ago, taxme said:

Now you are trying to confuse things once again and avoid my question. So, what question did i not answer "as to why"? 

You did not say why. That is the question. Why did you ask and bring up something that had nothing to do with anything. Just saying you wanted my opinion doesn't answer why. Why do you want my opinion. 

48 minutes ago, taxme said:

You do know that i know that you will not reply to my question to you about what Israel did to the Liberty that at the time was flying an American flag? I know that you will avoid that question like the plague. 😒

No, I am already engaged in one stupid discussion with you, why are you trying to change the subject?

I have had this stupid discussion many times before. It is no problem for me.