Ukraine Can't Win the War

[Scott75]

6 hours ago, User said:

10 hours ago, Scott75 said:

You notice how he made sure that -Europe- foot the bill? When it comes to Ukraine, i think Trump strongly suspects how this is going to end. He knows Ukraine doesn't have the cards, so he's trying to avoid putting anymore in the pot himself. What does it matter to him if Europe buys some weapons to continue this war with a foregone conclusion? Let them go broke, he's already moved on.

The point is that Russia isn’t assured anything here.

I agree, but only because there is -one- possibility that could "defeat" Russia here. It's one any sane world leader would try to avoid- global nuclear armageddon. If that happens, -everyone- loses. Failing that, Russia will win. it's just a matter of when.

6 hours ago, User said:

Ukraine continues to get assistance.

Yes, and it's been slowly losing territory even with that assistance. I think the only thing that war assistance assures is more Ukrainian deaths and more loss of territory.

 

Edited July 23, 2025 by Scott75

[Scott75]

6 hours ago, User said:

Russia should never have started this war to begin with. 

They didn't. Trump was on point when he told Ukraine they should never have started its war with Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-ukraine-should-never-have-started-it-remarks-war-russia-rcna192710

 

Quoting from the above article:

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President Donald Trump suggested Tuesday that Ukraine was responsible for Russia's invasion of the country three years ago, arguing Kyiv could have made a deal to avoid the conflict.

“You should have never started it,” Trump said of Ukraine

**

[Scott75]

Just finished watching the following video, thought it was quite interesting...

 

[User]

47 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

They didn't.

They did. Quoting Trump doesn't change the facts. 

[User]

51 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

I agree, but only because there is -one- possibility that could "defeat" Russia here. It's one any sane world leader would try to avoid- global nuclear armageddon. If that happens, -everyone- loses. Failing that, Russia will win. it's just a matter of when.

This is idiocy already long ago refuted in this thread. Russia can indeed be defeated without nuclear war... if their victory was so assured, and their defeat so impossible, the war would would not be going on for what, 3 years now?

Give me a break. The great and mighty Russia, couldn't even defeat Ukraine. They are barely pushing Ukrainians back and it will take them over a hundred years at this rate to do anything. 

54 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Yes, and it's been slowly losing territory even with that assistance. I think the only thing that war assistance assures is more Ukrainian deaths and more loss of territory.

Yeah, in 100 years Russia will win... 

Russia is losing more men, more weapons, and more $$$. 

[Scott75]

1 hour ago, User said:

  

2 hours ago, Scott75 said:

They didn't. Trump was on point when he told Ukraine they should never have started its war with Russia:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-ukraine-should-never-have-started-it-remarks-war-russia-rcna192710

 

Quoting from the above article:

**

President Donald Trump suggested Tuesday that Ukraine was responsible for Russia's invasion of the country three years ago, arguing Kyiv could have made a deal to avoid the conflict.

“You should have never started it,” Trump said of Ukraine

**

They did. Quoting Trump doesn't change the facts. 

Agreed. The fact of the matter, however, is that Ukraine attacked the Donbass Republics days before Russia decided to start its military operation in Ukraine. It's not hard to see how this was the last straw for Russia. I imagine you know this, but just in case you don't, I'll quote from former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud on an article where he elaborates on the final days before Russia's military operation began:

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In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “  Responsibility To Protect  ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

 

Source:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

[Scott75]

1 hour ago, User said:

2 hours ago, Scott75 said:

8 hours ago, User said:

The point is that Russia isn’t assured anything here.

I agree, but only because there is -one- possibility that could "defeat" Russia here. It's one any sane world leader would try to avoid- global nuclear armageddon. If that happens, -everyone- loses. Failing that, Russia will win. it's just a matter of when.

This is idiocy already long ago refuted in this thread.

Saying your ideological opponent's beliefs are idiocy doesn't actually support your belief. It -can- get your ideological opponent to insult your beliefs in turn or to tune out. I'll stick to tuning out.

[User]

51 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Saying your ideological opponent's beliefs are idiocy doesn't actually support your belief. It -can- get your ideological opponent to insult your beliefs in turn or to tune out. I'll stick to tuning out.

You ignored the argument of course. You tuned out because your positions are absurd. 

[Scott75]

44 minutes ago, User said:

1 hour ago, Scott75 said:

3 hours ago, User said:

This is idiocy already long ago refuted in this thread.

Saying your ideological opponent's beliefs are idiocy doesn't actually support your belief. It -can- get your ideological opponent to insult your beliefs in turn or to tune out. I'll stick to tuning out.

You ignored the argument of course. You tuned out because your positions are absurd. 

No, I tuned out because you started your post by insulting what I believe. Perhaps deep down, you wanted to stop debating the subject- if that's the case, you may well have succeeded.

[User]

19 hours ago, Scott75 said:

No, I tuned out because you started your post by insulting what I believe. Perhaps deep down, you wanted to stop debating the subject- if that's the case, you may well have succeeded.

Yes, I think your positions here are outlandishly absurd if not outright lies. 

Perhaps you need a journal or something, because this is a forum where if you post things publicly, they can be criticized. 

 

[Scott75]

10 hours ago, User said:

On 7/23/2025 at 7:44 PM, Scott75 said:

On 7/23/2025 at 6:58 PM, User said:

On 7/23/2025 at 6:06 PM, Scott75 said:

On 7/23/2025 at 4:37 PM, User said:

On 7/23/2025 at 3:42 PM, Scott75 said:

I agree, but only because there is -one- possibility that could "defeat" Russia here. It's one any sane world leader would try to avoid- global nuclear armageddon. If that happens, -everyone- loses. Failing that, Russia will win. it's just a matter of when.

This is idiocy already long ago refuted in this thread.

Saying your ideological opponent's beliefs are idiocy doesn't actually support your belief. It -can- get your ideological opponent to insult your beliefs in turn or to tune out. I'll stick to tuning out.

You tuned out because your positions are absurd. 

No, I tuned out because you started your post by insulting what I believe. Perhaps deep down, you wanted to stop debating the subject- if that's the case, you may well have succeeded.

Yes, I think your positions here are outlandishly absurd if not outright lies. 

Perhaps you need a journal or something, because this is a forum where if you post things publicly, they can be criticized.

I don't mind criticism, but starting a response with "This is idiocy already long ago refuted in this thread" is just a base insult. Perhaps you had something interesting to say -after- that line, but it was too late- you'd already gotten me to tune out.

[User]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I don't mind criticism, but starting a response with "This is idiocy already long ago refuted in this thread" is just a base insult. Perhaps you had something interesting to say -after- that line, but it was too late- you'd already gotten me to tune out.

You will look for any excuse to avoid your stupid comments getting called out for what they are. 

[Scott75]

4 hours ago, User said:

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I don't mind criticism, but starting a response with "This is idiocy already long ago refuted in this thread" is just a base insult. Perhaps you had something interesting to say -after- that line, but it was too late- you'd already gotten me to tune out.

You will look for any excuse to avoid your stupid comments getting called out for what they are. 

One day, I hope you learn that insulting a person or their comments is counterproductive to a productive discussion.

[User]

48 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

One day, I hope you learn that insulting a person or their comments is counterproductive to a productive discussion.

Just your comments here... get a journal. 

[Scott75]

46 minutes ago, User said:

Just your comments here...

Come on User, you can do better. I've posted few if any posts here that weren't a response to someone else. Recently, that someone else has been you.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Come on User, you can do better. I've posted few if any posts here that weren't a response to someone else. Recently, that someone else has been you.

Do better?

You are on here pushing pure lies and propaganda to support Russia invading Ukraine and killing untold hundreds of thousands of people. 

If you want to start caring about being better, start with yourself. 

[Scott75]

14 minutes ago, User said:

23 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Come on User, you can do better. I've posted few if any posts here that weren't a response to someone else. Recently, that someone else has been you.

Do better?

That's right.

 

14 minutes ago, User said:

You are on here pushing pure lies and propaganda...

No, that'd be you. I've tried to explain how you've sunk for the mainstream propaganda on the Ukraine war, but you tend to ignore such material for the most part. Case in point:

On 7/23/2025 at 6:02 PM, Scott75 said:

Agreed. The fact of the matter, however, is that Ukraine attacked the Donbass Republics days before Russia decided to start its military operation in Ukraine. It's not hard to see how this was the last straw for Russia. I imagine you know this, but just in case you don't, I'll quote from former Swiss Intelligence Officer Jacques Baud on an article where he elaborates on the final days before Russia's military operation began:

**

In fact, as early as February 16 [2022], Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “  Responsibility To Protect  ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.

That day, he acceded to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Republics of Donbass and, in the process, he signed treaties of friendship and assistance with them.

The Ukrainian artillery bombardments on the populations of Donbass continued and, on February 23, the two Republics requested military aid from Russia. On the 24th, Vladimir Putin invokes Article 51 of the United Nations Charter which provides for mutual military assistance within the framework of a defensive alliance.

In order to make the Russian intervention totally illegal in the eyes of the public we deliberately obscure the fact that the war actually started on February 16th. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as certain Russian and European intelligence services were well aware… The lawyers will judge.

**

 

Source:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/04/09/former-nato-military-analyst-blows-the-whistle-on-wests-ukraine-invasion-narrative/

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

No, that'd be you. I've tried to explain how you've sunk for the mainstream propaganda on the Ukraine war, but you tend to ignore such material for the most part. Case in point:

I don't know if you have issues with your memory, but we have already discussed that talking point in this threat before... 

 

[Scott75]

2 hours ago, User said:

2 hours ago, Scott75 said:

No, that'd be you. I've tried to explain how you've sunk for the mainstream propaganda on the Ukraine war, but you tend to ignore such material for the most part. Case in point:

I don't know if you have issues with your memory, but we have already discussed that talking point in this threat before...

I imagine you ignored most of it then as well.

[User]

On 7/25/2025 at 5:11 PM, Scott75 said:

I imagine you ignored most of it then as well.

Nope...
 

 

[Scott75]

45 minutes ago, User said:

Nope...
 

 

Not sure why you'd link to that post. I responded to that post, by the way, in the very next one. You responded to that, and I then responded with not one, but 2 detailed articles on the causes of the Ukraine war. That post is here:

https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=48379&content_commentid=1820354

You didn't even -attempt- to refute the articles contained therein. Typical.

[User]

1 minute ago, Scott75 said:

Not sure why you'd link to that post.

Because you are sitting here pretending like we have not already discussed this bogus lie you are pushing again. 

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, User said:

Because you are sitting here pretending like we have not already discussed this bogus lie you are pushing again. 

You're a beaut User... 😂   Yet again, everyone else is a lier, except for you...

 

On 7/25/2025 at 12:35 PM, User said:

pushing pure lies and propaganda to support Russia invading Ukraine and killing untold hundreds of thousands of people. 

Like seriously....really, seriously?

Your devotion to the orange guy and Maga is bordering on pathetic.  Run Forrest, while you still can...  🏃‍♂️

[User]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're a beaut User... 😂   Yet again, everyone else is a lier, except for you...

So, now you support Russian propaganda and think that Ukraine started this war... just so you can try to spite me?

 

[Scott75]

1 hour ago, User said:

1 hour ago, Scott75 said:

  

2 hours ago, User said:

  

On 7/25/2025 at 4:11 PM, Scott75 said:

  

  

On 7/25/2025 at 1:55 PM, User said:

On 7/25/2025 at 1:53 PM, Scott75 said:

On 7/25/2025 at 1:35 PM, User said:

You are on here pushing pure lies and propaganda...

No, that'd be you. I've tried to explain how you've sunk for the mainstream propaganda on the Ukraine war, but you tend to ignore such material for the most part. Case in point:

I don't know if you have issues with your memory, but we have already discussed that talking point in this threat before... 

I imagine you ignored most of it then as well.

Nope...

Not sure why you'd link to that post.

Because you are sitting here pretending like we have not already discussed this bogus lie you are pushing again. 

Saying that something is a lie is definitely an easy way out of actually trying to refute actual arguments. For the audience, I did a lot more than simply tell User that I wasn't sure why he'd link the post he linked to. Here's what I said -after- the only line of mine that he quoted:

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I responded to that post, by the way, in the very next one. You responded to that, and I then responded with not one, but 2 detailed articles on the causes of the Ukraine war. That post is here:

https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=48379&content_commentid=1820354

You didn't even -attempt- to refute the articles contained therein. Typical.

**

It seems clear that User doesn't want to bother actually trying to -defend- his assertions against people that don't agree with them. Instead, he'd rather just call them liars or propagandists or what not and then call it a day.

Edited July 27, 2025 by Scott75