When immigrants are demonized, the U.S. betrays its ideals — and economic reality

[robosmith]

When immigrants are demonized, the U.S. betrays its ideals — and economic reality

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The Republican Party was already turning against migration when Donald Trump opened his 2016 presidential campaign by tarring arrivals from Mexico as murderers and rapists. Then as now, he was playing to the base. Eight years later, as the Republicans’ likely 2024 nominee, the former president echoes Nazi-era rhetoric in claiming immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country.”

So much for the melting pot.

Trump promises, if reelected, to mount an unprecedented deportation of millions of undocumented residents, many of whom have been here for years and are raising children who are U.S. citizens, and to build sprawling detention camps for those newly nabbed at the borders.

To see how grossly changed the Republican Party is on this score, here’s Reagan in his farewell address: “Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we’re a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas. … If we ever close the door to new arrivals, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.”

And here’s Trump earlier this week: “They’re coming in from prisons all over the world. … Some of these people make our prisoners look like very nice people.”

Never mind that Trump’s first and third wives, the mothers of four of his five children, were immigrants. He’s leading his willing party in trying to destroy what’s been an American superpower.

There’s hope in the fact that, as just about any business owners can attest, the nation needs immigrants so badly. Eventually, perhaps Republicans will relent, if only out of self-interest. 

 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, robosmith said:

When immigrants are demonized, the U.S. betrays its ideals — and economic reality

 

And he's still going to be your president

[Yakuda]

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

When immigrants are demonized, the U.S. betrays its ideals — and economic reality

 

I like how you refer to an invasion as migration. They arent birds migrating for the winter. You're disingenuous right from the start. No one should really take you seriously if in the first line of your post you're off the rails. 

[ironstone]

It seems to me that Trump is opposed to illegal immigration, especially when it's happening on a massive scale.

He is not opposed to immigration, when it is done through legal channels.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

I like how you refer to an invasion as migration. They arent birds migrating for the winter. You're disingenuous right from the start. No one should really take you seriously if in the first line of your post you're off the rails. 

Strange.

You impose a highly charged subjective opinion on this then accuse the poster of being disingenuous! 

 

Here's how that goes:

Yakuda, I like how you refer to an assault as merely an invasion.  You're disingenuous right from the start.... Etc

One chance to retract then, if not, the eternal shame of being on my ignore list...

[Deluge]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

When immigrants are demonized, the U.S. betrays its ideals — and economic reality

 

When ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are dealt with lawfully, AMERICA WINS, which means the Left must go pound sand. 

[Deluge]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Strange.

You impose a highly charged subjective opinion on this then accuse the poster of being disingenuous! 

 

Here's how that goes:

Yakuda, I like how you refer to an assault as merely an invasion.  You're disingenuous right from the start.... Etc

One chance to retract then, if not, the eternal shame of being on my ignore list...

I'm on Michelle Softener's ignore list because he knows that I see right through his bullshit and that I consistently expose him as the subtle leftist that he is.  

[Yakuda]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Strange.

You impose a highly charged subjective opinion on this then accuse the poster of being disingenuous! 

 

Here's how that goes:

Yakuda, I like how you refer to an assault as merely an invasion.  You're disingenuous right from the start.... Etc

One chance to retract then, if not, the eternal shame of being on my ignore list...

Isn't saying subjective opinion akin to saying oily oil? Yes opinions are subjective. What do you mean by "highly charged"? 

But your highly charged subjective opinion that I'm disingenuous is just fine. 

The comments in the OP are silly. what's happening at the southern border is not migration. It's an invasion. Prove me wrong or out me on your ignore list. Its of no consequence to me 

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

1. Isn't saying subjective opinion akin to saying oily oil?

2. But your highly charged subjective opinion that I'm disingenuous is just fine. 

3. Prove me wrong or out me on your ignore list.

1. I would use the term oily oil if I wasn't sure if person I was speaking to knew what oil was.

2. Oh wow, okay. Was not expecting that.

3. Since we have asserted that it's your opinion only, I can approve it wrong by saying I disagree? You are fun.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Since we have asserted that it's your opinion only, I can approve it wrong by saying I disagree? You are fun.

If you "asserted" that its his opinion only then it's just your opinion that it's just his opinion and we can dismiss that just as easily and you're back to where you started   So you'd need to either a) prove your assertion or b) refute his point with a proof rather than an opinion.

Check and mate   And you're hilarious  

 

 

[Yakuda]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I would use the term oily oil if I wasn't sure if person I was speaking to knew what oil was.

2. Oh wow, okay. Was not expecting that.

3. Since we have asserted that it's your opinion only, I can approve it wrong by saying I disagree? You are fun.

Oily oil is redundant like subjective opinion. 

Not sure why you're surprised. You're like the people that claim there are no absolutes which of course is an absolute. 

It's my opinion about the fact that people are illegally crossing the southern border of the US huge numbers. Now if they aren't doing it legally, which they arent, then it's an invasion. Your opinion doesnt change the fact that huge numbers of people are crossing the US border in huge numbers. You can't prove the facts wrong just that you disagree with my assessment of it. I notice you say stuff you dont follow through on. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Strange.

You impose a highly charged subjective opinion on this then accuse the poster of being disingenuous! 

 

Here's how that goes:

Yakuda, I like how you refer to an assault as merely an invasion.  You're disingenuous right from the start.... Etc

One chance to retract then, if not, the eternal shame of being on my ignore list...

Eternal shame, oh I like that. Nothing satisfies the soul more than being on a list.

An invasion it is.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

that I consistently expose him as the subtle leftist that he is.

Subtle? No.

Consistent? Perhaps.

Diabolical?
Most certainly...    

<j/k>

[Michael Hardner]

26 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

1 Oily oil is redundant like subjective opinion. 

2. You can't prove the facts wrong just that you disagree with my assessment of it. 

1. Yes noted.  We have established the domain of posters on this board, specifically to use words as they see fit.

2. Invasion is a subjective opinion, an oily oil.  You asked me to disprove that word not facts, but it's only your perspective so I can't.

[Yakuda]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes noted.  We have established the domain of posters on this board, specifically to use words as they see fit.

2. Invasion is a subjective opinion, an oily oil.  You asked me to disprove that word not facts, but it's only your perspective so I can't.

I'll pretend you understand and try again,  if the huge number of people crossing the southern border of the US (fact) are doing so illegally (fact) how is it not an invasion. 

in·va·sion

noun

an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.

an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere 

an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Yakuda said:

I like how you refer to an invasion as migration. They arent birds migrating for the winter. You're disingenuous right from the start. No one should really take you seriously if in the first line of your post you're off the rails. 

Do you even know how to click on a LINK? LMAO

Those aren't my words. Duh

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

It seems to me that Trump is opposed to illegal immigration, especially when it's happening on a massive scale.

He is not opposed to immigration, when it is done through legal channels.

Except when they're from shithole countries (AKA black), right?

[Yakuda]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you even know how to click on a LINK? LMAO

Those aren't my words. Duh

You're right they are the words of a leftist columnist which who you are in complete agreement. Am I right? Of course I am. 

Just now, Yakuda said:

You're right they are the words of a leftist columnist with who you are in complete agreement. Am I right? Of course I am. 

 

[robosmith]

10 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

I'll pretend you understand and try again,  if the huge number of people crossing the southern border of the US (fact) are doing so illegally (fact) how is it not an invasion. 

in·va·sion

noun

an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.

an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere 

an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

Apparently you are ignorant of the fact that the vast majority of immigrants are surrendering to ICE, booked and adjudicated as required BY LAW. Many are LEGALLY paroled pending the adjudication of their asylum claim. 

So your PREMISE that they are here ILLEGALLY is false.

 

[Yakuda]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Do you even know how to click on a LINK? LMAO

Those aren't my words. Duh

Except when they're from shithole countries (AKA black), right?

Racists do tend to assume everyone is racist.

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

You're right they are the words of a leftist columnist which who you are in complete agreement. Am I right? Of course I am. 

 

No, you're wrong. AGAIN.

Just now, Yakuda said:

Racists do tend to assume everyone is racist.

Non-racists figure out who is racist BY THEIR ACTIONS, like calling black countries "shithole." Duh

[Yakuda]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Apparently you are ignorant of the fact that the vast majority of immigrants are surrendering to ICE, booked and adjudicated as required BY LAW. Many are LEGALLY paroled pending the adjudication of their asylum claim. 

So your PREMISE that they are here ILLEGALLY is false.

 

People don't get paroled for legal behavior. Id give this.arguement a C-

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No, you're wrong. AGAIN.

Non-racists figure out who is racist BY THEIR ACTIONS, like calling black countries "shithole." Duh

Leftists are racists 

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Strange.

You impose a highly charged subjective opinion on this then accuse the poster of being disingenuous! 

 

Here's how that goes:

Yakuda, I like how you refer to an assault as merely an invasion.  You're disingenuous right from the start.... Etc

One chance to retract then, if not, the eternal shame of being on my ignore list...

Michelle Softener views this invasion not as an invasion, but as a challenge for he and the rest of his neocon pals and their dear friends, the left-wing cultists, to get these illegal aliens housed no matter what the cost.  

[Deluge]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

1. Those aren't my words. Duh

2. Except when they're from shithole countries (AKA black), right?

1. It's YOUR quote you lying f*ck, which means YOU agree with it. 

2. Race hustling is one of roboracist's favorites.  

[impartialobserver]

Folks are always wary of outsiders coming into their locale. Second, like all things it is a matter of degrees. 5,000 new immigrants is one reality and 1,000,000 + is another. Given limited resources.. slowing immigration only makes sense. Slowing is not the same as ceasing.

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

...neocon pals and their dear friends, the left-wing cultists

Huh?  So is there a space between these that is occupied by some sort of silent yet fed-up majority or outside of that in an entirely different dimension?