CdnFox Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, August1991 said: In the 1800s, in America, candidates printed ballots and handed them to people (men). Ballots were like coupons for us today. Have you seen the movie Around the World in Eighty Days? Have you seen the scene in San Francisco? ===== IMHO, the Americans -centuries ago- wisely left the issue of counting votes to the States. The practice of leaving it to the states only breeds Distrust in the system. There's no benefit to it. Regardless of the type of ballot used people need to believe that there is Consistency in their electoral process. The smartest thing Canada ever did was to make certain that federal elections were handled by the federal government through elections Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 56 minutes ago, August1991 said: In the mind of many young Americans, it's not cheating. These young Americans are merely helping fellow Americans to choose what is in their best interest. And that's why young kids can't be POTUS. They tend to be ideological and make unwise decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 (edited) I dunno. This is ugly. I reckon that even Trump/Christie don't know how to organise/collect votes. ==== IMHO, Biden will be US President in 2025. Edited January 4 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 8 hours ago, August1991 said: I dunno. This is ugly. I reckon that even Trump/Christie don't know how to organise/collect votes. ==== IMHO, Biden will be US President in 2025. If they cheat again...the USA will never recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 12 hours ago, August1991 said: All irrelevant. Do the numbers. ==== With the election of 2020, Democrats discovered kryptonite. Republicans - Trump in particular - are clueless. You have your head up your ass. The true kryptonite is the dawn of the woketard, and it's killing your side. You freaks would eat each other if it weren't for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 If the sane part of the society would not put up the best alternative and he wins, the responsibility for the consequences would be on them as well. It's an offense to the Time and evolution to not put up the best work and effort at the time of a critical challenge. And they do not take it lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 4 Report Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: If they cheat again...the USA will never recover. Lets be fair - even the perception of cheating will be enough if the systems are such that it cannot be easily refuted across the board. And that goes both ways - anyone who thinks for a moment that the dems won't "be certian" there was cheating or collusion or some damn thing if trump wins has not been paying attention to history. And as we've seen they're already willing to stretch laws and behavior to attack republicans if they feel the person isn't a legit candidate/president. Honestly - if the politicians cared about America they'd be working hard on some bipartisan changes to make sure next election nobody can blame the russians or mail in ballots or hanging chads or what the heck ever. There will always be SOME who believe it was 'rigged' but if you've got strong systems in place to prevent it then that's generally not an issue. Right now you could drive a truck through the holes in accountability for the elections. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 On 1/4/2024 at 10:02 AM, Deluge said: You have your head up your ass. The true kryptonite is the dawn of the woketard, and it's killing your side. You freaks would eat each other if it weren't for us. Disagree. One person, one vote. Who could possibly argue with that? In 2020 (and 2022), the Democrats discovered a way to ensure that more people vote, cast a ballot. Look at the turnout numbers in 2020 compared to any previous presidential year. In 2020, about 81 million voted for Biden, 74 million for Trump. Total? 155. In 2012, about 66 million voted for Obama, 60 million for Romney. Total? 126. Moreover, the Democrats know which critical counties in which critical states matter. == The Democrats have always believed (our NDP is similar) that poor ignorant people don't go to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 On 1/4/2024 at 10:02 AM, Nationalist said: If they cheat again...the USA will never recover. On a far greater issue, the US survived a violent but short civil war. The issue? If a federal state is to be sustainable, what are the powers of the central government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 5 hours ago, August1991 said: Moreover, the Democrats know which critical counties in which critical states matter. Yup. Those a$$holes knew exactly which "critical counties" to rig in favor of Biden. Nice detective, work, Ausgust1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, August1991 said: On a far greater issue, the US survived a violent but short civil war. The issue? If a federal state is to be sustainable, what are the powers of the central government? Should it survive another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 On 1/14/2024 at 12:00 AM, Deluge said: Yup. Those a$$holes knew exactly which "critical counties" to rig in favor of Biden. Nice detective, work, Ausgust1991. The counties in Michigan to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 On 1/14/2024 at 3:06 AM, Nationalist said: Should it survive another? Another US Civil War? God forbid. I'm with Pierre Trudeau. A civilised federal state has counterweights. But we Canadians get along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 15 hours ago, August1991 said: The counties in Michigan to start. Interesting video, but it doesn't explain away the cheating. Since democrats are the biggest liars on the planet, we're going to have to be extra vigilant in ensuring those a$$holes don't rig this next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 17 hours ago, August1991 said: I'm with Pierre Trudeau. Well that tells us all we really need to know about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 (edited) 4 hours ago, Deluge said: Interesting video, but it doesn't explain away the cheating. Since democrats are the biggest liars on the planet, we're going to have to be extra vigilant in ensuring those a$$holes don't rig this next election. they're so good at cheating that Republican controlled electoral systems can't detect how they do it! any new theories rummaging around with these people? seriously, any theories? nope. so how are the same Republicans going to keep the cheating under control next time if they weren't able to identify how it was done last time? Edited January 16 by godzilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 i would just agree with the OP. the electoral college is always a maze but MAGA has been on a federal losing streak since Trump became president. Democrats keep gaining on the popular vote ever cycle. and what seems rather confusing are polls that put Biden slightly behind Trump when you have Republicans who will not vote for Trump. that doesn't add up at all. something is awash in either direction. Almost half of Haley supporters say they would vote for Biden over Trump: Iowa poll as usual, Trumps problem is that he can hold the Republican base by the throat but that is not general populace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, godzilla said: they're so good at cheating that Republican controlled electoral systems can't detect how they do it! Not hard to pull off as we saw in the other thread. Ballot harvesting alone is completely undetectable. That's one of the problems as we discussed in that thread, the rules need to change so that fraud becomes very very hard. Otherwise no matter who wins the other side tends to claim it was 'rigged' and that's gone back for many elections now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godzilla Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 29 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Not hard to pull off as we saw in the other thread. Ballot harvesting alone is completely undetectable. That's one of the problems as we discussed in that thread, the rules need to change so that fraud becomes very very hard. Otherwise no matter who wins the other side tends to claim it was 'rigged' and that's gone back for many elections now. could you provide a link to that thread? ballot harvesting? thats not cheating... if those people whose ballots were harvested and they claim that they did not vote as shown on their ballot then thats a problem. but if they do claim that they voted as shown on their ballet then thats legit. and its all audit-able. its completely detectable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/16/2024 at 9:32 AM, Deluge said: Interesting video, but it doesn't explain away the cheating. Since democrats are the biggest liars on the planet, we're going to have to be extra vigilant in ensuring those a$$holes don't rig this next election. It's not cheating - it's kryptonite. The Democrats have figured out how to "get out the vote". ===== In the opinion of many activists, they are helping people to vote in a way that they should vote if it were easy to vote. In Canada, in our federal and provincial elections, it is easy to vote: we choose one candidate in a riding. In person, it takes about 5 minutes. In the US, in November, years of presidential elections in particular - there is a long list of names, choices, referenda. A US ballot is like our municipal elections. Edited January 17 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptif219 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 On 12/21/2023 at 4:28 PM, robosmith said: Why Trump Won’t Win Some look at Trump’s long list of flaws and understandably see reasons to worry about him winning. I see reasons to think he almost certainly won’t. Yes, recent polls appear to favor him. Yes, Joe Biden is an imperfect opponent. And yes, much could change over the next 11 months, potentially in Trump’s favor. But if Biden’s health holds, he is very likely to be reelected next year. It’s hard to imagine any Republican candidate galvanizing Democrats, independents, and even some Republicans to vote for the current president in the way that Trump will. ’m not arguing that anyone who wants President Biden to win—and, more important, anyone who wants Trump to lose—should relax. To the contrary, Democrats, and any other sensible voters who oppose Trump, need to forcefully remind the American people about how disastrous he was as president and inform them of how much worse a second term would be. Thankfully, that is not a hard case to make. The 2024 election will be a referendum on democracy, with both candidates claiming to stand for freedom and American values. On this matter, Biden’s claims are obviously stronger: He has been governing as a traditional president, whereas Trump promises authoritarianism and openly says he wants to be dictator for a day to accomplish certain policies, namely restricting immigration. But what if his plans take more than a day? What if his one-day dictatorship extends to a year and then never ends? Americans know that strongmen don’t keep their promises. Biden is old, but so is Trump. Biden has grown unpopular, but so has Trump. Biden has liabilities, but Trump’s are considerably worse. Biden has lost the backing of plenty of voters, but the results of the past few elections suggest that Trump has lost more. Meanwhile, Trump’s record as president and since—January 6, the devastating testimony from his former senior officials, the ongoing trials, and whatever additional self-inflicted wounds he delivers—will contrast very poorly with Biden’s track record and steady leadership. By November, enough Americans will surely understand that they aren’t voting for Biden over Trump so much as voting for the Constitution over a would-be authoritarian. The case against Trump’s reelection is obvious and damning. As long as his opponents prosecute that case—and they will—Trump isn’t going to win. Of course right wingers here won't agree with this analysis cause they are in DEEP DENIAL about objective reality. Trump will win Biden’s numbers are in the basement he is no longer wanted. the Democrats think they can comtrol who is on the ballots they will fail. The Democrats are trying to prevent any candidates from being on primary ballots except for Biden. The Democrat party is destroying itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 4 hours ago, August1991 said: It's not cheating - it's kryptonite. The Democrats have figured out how to "get out the vote". ===== In the opinion of many activists, they are helping people to vote in a way that they should vote if it were easy to vote. In Canada, in our federal and provincial elections, it is easy to vote: we choose one candidate in a riding. In person, it takes about 5 minutes. In the US, in November, years of presidential elections in particular - there is a long list of names, choices, referenda. A US ballot is like our municipal elections. No, it's 3 AM drops of fraudulent pandemic ballots and it's also rigged Dominion voting machines: red ballots in, blue ballots out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 8 minutes ago, Deluge said: No, it's 3 AM drops of fraudulent pandemic ballots and it's also rigged Dominion voting machines: red ballots in, blue ballots out. No.😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 33 minutes ago, Deluge said: No, it's 3 AM drops of fraudulent pandemic ballots and it's also rigged Dominion voting machines: red ballots in, blue ballots out. Disagree. In the US, there's no fraudulent ballots. ===== In Canada, we have a simple paper ballot - one check of a name. (You show up in person, show your ID, scrutineers/people check, you check one name, vote behind a cardboard cover.) We fold the paper (tear off part) and put it in a box. (It has always bothered me about the tearing off, number.) In the US, the ballot paper is a long list of checks. ==== As a foreigner, I have gone through the voting procedure in other countries: Russia and Sri Lanka, for example. My conclusion? Purple ink. On our thumb. When we Canadians vote, we should dip our thumb in purple ink - and hold it proudly for media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: No.😂 Yes. 10 hours ago, August1991 said: Disagree. In the US, there's no fraudulent ballots. ===== In Canada, we have a simple paper ballot - one check of a name. (You show up in person, show your ID, scrutineers/people check, you check one name, vote behind a cardboard cover.) We fold the paper (tear off part) and put it in a box. (It has always bothered me about the tearing off, number.) In the US, the ballot paper is a long list of checks. ==== As a foreigner, I have gone through the voting procedure in other countries: Russia and Sri Lanka, for example. My conclusion? Purple ink. On our thumb. When we Canadians vote, we should dip our thumb in purple ink - and hold it proudly for media. https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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