Complicit in War Crimes

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, marcus said:

If you oppose the decades long human rights violations committed by Israel and support a free Palestine, you hate jews.

No - if you justify terrorist attacks against jews and then bemoan the lawful defense of jews against their attackers as a 'genocide' then you hate jews.  Your language alone gives you away. While you carefully use the word 'israel' your language is that used to refer to a human, not a state.  "Israel" committed endless human rights violations according to you.. not the people of israel?  Give me a break.

10 hours ago, marcus said:

The same will happen with Israel. Western governments will be forced to give into the pressure from the people who now overwhelmingly want a stop to Israel's atrocities. 

Sorry  - only those who side with the terrorists want that. Most people just want the terrorists gone. You are completely delusional.

10 hours ago, marcus said:

Certain actions taken by Israel, particularly in response to security concerns, amount to collective punishment

Not a single action amounts to collective punishment.

My me my - you terrorist supporters are sure learning a whole lot of big words these days aren't you

So tell me Mr "i don't hate jews",  why are you screaming about the 'false' injustices the israelis are doing - yet not decrying hamas for it's attack which EVERYONE recognizes as a terrorist act in violation of international law?

wow - you're sure concerned about 'international law' right up until the guys you like break it arent you

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, Gaétan said:

I don't hate Jews, but I hate what the government of Israel is doing to the Palestinians

One day your going to see it is not the Israelis that are to blame for Palestinian suffering it is Hamas...

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, marcus said:

It took years for the governments of western countries to finally oppose Apartheid South Africa, which, not surprisingly, had always been heavily supported by Israel. Western governments were no longer able to continue to support for them.

It also takes years for the growing number of things Canada did and didn't do come to light that helped contribute to the mess, like turning away Jewish refugees and accepting Nazi refugees reinforcing the sense amongst Jews that they were not wanted anywhere by anyone.

Theses weren't the worst effects of Canada's influence in shaping the present course we're on however.  

The unlikely Canadian who helped create the State of Israel

Ivan Rand helped draft the 1946 blueprint on Palestine's future. Despite an antisemitic streak, by most accounts he 'tipped the scales' for Israel

Rand was “by far the main contributor to the partition scheme,” Léon Mayrand, the Canadian alternate on the committee, reported to External Affairs. “Everyone surmised correctly that Rand had turned the scales,” wrote Horowitz later, Kaplan’s book notes.

But were he and his colleagues bound to side with the Zionists from the start? Was the fix always in and the committee just window dressing? That’s the argument of Arab politicians and historians, such as eminent scholar Walid Khalidi, as well as some Western academics. The domination of the committee by nine European and “settler-colonial” countries made it friendly turf for the Jewish cause, one sign of a “lingering imperialism,” argued Queen’s University law professor Ardi Imseis in a 2021 paper.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-unlikely-canadian-who-helped-create-the-state-of-israel 

It seems clear to me that Canada was chosen to help lead the effort to justify the creation of Israel on the basis of our being the free world's premier expert on how to colonize, occupy and subjugate indigenous people in the process.

Following our lead backfired in South Africa too.

March 21, 1960. Dateline: Sharpeville, South Africa. Sixty-nine Black men, women and children were shot in the back while fleeing from police; another 180 were injured. To understand why, we have to look inward here in Canada. Sadly, I did not learn this in school. Not even in high school.

The apartheid laws introduced by South African governments were all adapted from laws that had been introduced here in Canada 10 years earlier.

https://www.thespec.com/opinion/contributors/reflections-on-racism-and-canada-s-dark-history/article_1caa0244-cfdf-51a8-acbf-31bee31e1990.html

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So launch an unprovoked attack on a foriegn nation instead of the nation that attacked you? Kill their citizens instead?

Seems a little silly to start there.

That didn't stop anyone when it came to bombing Afghanistan after 9/11 - where the attackers were predominately Saudi Arabian and there wasn't a single Afghan in sight. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That didn't stop anyone when it came to bombing Afghanistan after 9/11 - where the attackers were predominately Saudi Arabian and there wasn't a single Afghan in sight. 

The al queda sent the attackers, bid laden took credit and claimed responsibility - Al queda and bin laden lived in Afghanistan.

AND - Afghanistan was asked nicely to give them up or kick them out and admitted they were there but refused.

Show me which group in iran has taken responsibility for the israeli attack directly?  Nobody? hmmmm.

Hamas launched this attack, hamas lives in Gaza. Gaza is being bombed and invaded. You see how that works.

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, marcus said:

 Certain actions taken by Israel, particularly in response to security concerns, amount to collective punishment and may violate international law. Some relevant legal principles and conventions include:

1.  Fourth Geneva Convention: This is a key international treaty that outlines protections for civilians in times of armed conflict. Israel's actions in the occupied territories, including the construction of settlements and the imposition of restrictions, violate the convention's provisions.

2.  Prohibition of Collective Punishment: The prohibition of collective punishment is a general principle of international humanitarian law. Deliberate measures that cause harm to an entire population as a form of punishment is considered a violation of this principle.

3..International Human Rights Law: Actions that adversely affect the human rights of individuals, particularly on a collective basis, may be scrutinized under international human rights law. This includes issues related to freedom of movement, access to basic services, and the right to a standard of living adequate for health and well-being.

 

First i want to thank you for taking the time and effort to respond , more than most did. They just want to blame everything on Israel as the big bad man in the room. That includes the majority of Canadians who can not see past their noses when it comes to support Palestine which is a terrorist state...they would prefer to support a terrorist  state rather than a democratic nation, who is under constant attack by these terrorist. And we wonder why our nation is so screwed up.

1. Do you not think that the constant terrorist attacks warrant some restrictions, and while i disagree with the constant construction in the settlements, they by no means warrant the terrorist response we have seen in the last 40 plus years...

2. Collectives punishment you must have specific instances when this happened or you would not have mentioned it... The media has been making these accusation on a regular basis but they either have the facts wrong, or those in charge of bringing these crimes to court have dismissed them.

3.   International law and human rights are in the same category, lots of accusations being made and yet no one is bringing them up to organizations that matter...

Freedom of movement Israel is a sovereign nation it can limit who comes and who goes, same as Egypt who also limits Palestinians coming and goings.

Palestine gets billions of aid to improve their conditions, to build new infra structure, create jobs, and the bulk of this funding goes into furthering the fight against Israel, they could have built their own water and sewage plants, built their own power plants the list goes on... instead of see this as the problem most blame Israel for these issues... Hamas is in full control of Gaza, it governs the city and everything that goes on within it...Maybe it is time to hold them accountable...

 

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, Gaétan said:

It doesn't take an expert to see that they break all laws on earth.

It does not take an expert to jump to conclusions either...when Palestine ceases being a terrorist state then maybe it will get some respect it deserves... until then hamas runs the show, and Israel has proven it will respond when provoked...any body can see the solution here ... get rid of Hamas...and the killing will stop...

[herbie]

Amazing that the civilian population hasn't turned on Hamas. How much shit can they put up with, how much longer can they be convinced that it's Israel blocking the Gaza/Egypt border so supplies can't get in?
 

 

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Amazing that the civilian population hasn't turned on Hamas. How much shit can they put up with, how much longer can they be convinced that it's Israel blocking the Gaza/Egypt border so supplies can't get in?
 

 

Look at Germany, how much the average German suffered and the NAZI party remained in power, Hamas is the army , that controls everything including life and death, the average person can not compete with that...all they want to do is survive, and not rock the boat... The solution to all of it remains the same nothing will happen until the people rise up...

[suds]

12 hours ago, marcus said:

If you oppose the decades long human rights violations committed by Israel and support a free Palestine, you hate jews.

What does a 'free Palestine' mean to you?  If one listens to Hamas, it means a Palestine free of Jews.

[herbie]

Add to that the only thing your allies supply you with is guns, explosives and rockets - things that make you into targets. No food, gas, medicine or safe refuge.
Why you'd think they don't like you either, just want someone else to tend to and get blamed for your extermination.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Look at Germany, how much the average German suffered and the NAZI party remained in power, Hamas is the army , that controls everything including life and death, the average person can not compete with that...all they want to do is survive, and not rock the boat... The solution to all of it remains the same nothing will happen until the people rise up...

Sadly true 

Or - for that matter england. Bombed heavily but it just made them more resolute.

On the other hand some places like poland fell quickly as the population had enough.

As long as the people believe it's israel's fault and not their own gov't this is hard to fix.

Just now, herbie said:

Add to that the only thing your allies supply you with is guns, explosives and rockets - things that make you into targets. No food, gas, medicine or safe refuge.
Why you'd think they don't like you either, just want someone else to tend to and get blamed for your extermination.

I think there's some internal propaganda about that too.

For example - the gaza hospital, they were told the israelis left a large supply of fuel for them as close as possible, but they were told that it was 'too dangerous' to come get it - but i bet hamas told them that israeli snipers were going to kill them if they tried or something.

[herbie]

Probably told the patients that the Israelis would come massacre them all and that's why Hamas had to 'defend' the hospital. And some people marching in the West believe that story too.

[Gaétan]

5 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

If Quebec elected the FLQ instead of the PQ, would it be only Canada's fault?

This not the samething, if Quebec was treated the same way than palestinians, yes.

[Gaétan]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

One day your going to see it is not the Israelis that are to blame for Palestinian suffering it is Hamas...

Your name is Army Guy, do they teach you to shoot bombs on house killing children and any people in Canadian army in case there is an enemy fighter in the house?

[Gaétan]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

It does not take an expert to jump to conclusions either...when Palestine ceases being a terrorist state then maybe it will get some respect it deserves... until then hamas runs the show, and Israel has proven it will respond when provoked...any body can see the solution here ... get rid of Hamas...and the killing will stop...

Yes but the terrorist state is Israel

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Your name is Army Guy, do they teach you to shoot bombs on house killing children and any people in Canadian army in case there is an enemy fighter in the house?

So if there IS actually a terrorist in the house, should they drop a bomb on it?

Bet you don't have the courage to answer that one honestly.

[Gaétan]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So if there IS actually a terrorist in the house, should they drop a bomb on it?

Bet you don't have the courage to answer that one honestly.

no because if there are innocent people in the house you have to leave it alone.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Gaétan

[CdnFox]

Just now, Gaétan said:

no

So then you're just pro terrorist.  You think it's wrong to attack a terrorist.

Which pretty much makes you a terrorist.

You're largely alone in your "beliefs".

IF you commit a terrorist act (instead of just supporting them), and you go and hide behind your own people - expect them to be killed while they try to kill you. As they should be.

You're a terrible person. These people kill and murder innocent people deliberately and you feel they should not be attacked if they take hostages or hide behind their own people? THe more i hear from your kind the more i' find myself rooting for the bombs.

[Gaétan]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

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You're a terrible person. 

How come you say that, if there are innocent people in the house i can't shoot it if i am a soldier in a war. If i don't know, i can't either.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

How come you say that

You support terrorists who slaughter innocent people and then support allowing them to take hostages as well.

If terrorists know that all they have to do to avoid being shot at is capture women and children and hide behind them then that's what they do - and they go on to kill more women and children.  And you're fine with that.

And still no words about how gaza committed crimes against humanity in their attack and what should be done about that, thats no big deal.

International law is clear - if you are shooting at the enemy and there's civillians in the way too damn bad. Do what you can to minimize their losses but if they have to die they have to die.

It's also a war crime for hamas to have it's soldiers or bases amongst civvies and use them as shields as they're doing but not a peep out of you about that.

Pretty bad.

[Gaétan]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You support terrorists who slaughter innocent people and then support allowing them to take hostages as well.

If terrorists know that all they have to do to avoid being shot at is capture women and children and hide behind them then that's what they do - and they go on to kill more women and children.  And you're fine with that.

And still no words about how gaza committed crimes against humanity in their attack and what should be done about that, thats no big deal.

International law is clear - if you are shooting at the enemy and there's civillians in the way too damn bad. Do what you can to minimize their losses but if they have to die they have to die.

It's also a war crime for hamas to have it's soldiers or bases amongst civvies and use them as shields as they're doing but not a peep out of you about that.

Pretty bad.

the terrorist is the israelis'army and you are a murderer.

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

the terrorist is the israelis'army and you are a murderer.

The terrorist is hamas, and the whole world agrees on that  And i've killed  no one. Although if hamas killed women and children in Canada you can bet i'd want to if i got the chance

Now shut up nazi, the adults are talking

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Your name is Army Guy, do they teach you to shoot bombs on house killing children and any people in Canadian army in case there is an enemy fighter in the house?

It is more complicated than that...but the answer to your question is if need be yes...those rules are clearly laid out in the Geneva conventions and inter national law...I've mentioned them here before...Many people think that war can be sterile, free for needless deaths... but war is all about death and destruction, it has been for thousands of years, just because we claim we are civilized does not mean we have got better at doing war...we have not... Since man first learn to kill with a club , civilians have paid the highest price in war, it is a lesson we still can not find a solution to...

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Yes but the terrorist state is Israel

Like i said one day your going to find the truth, that Hamas and those that support them are the enemy...not Palestinians, or Israelis... 

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...those rules are clearly laid out in the Geneva conventions and inter national law...

These rules clearly need to be changed so what you're justifying is made illegal.  The politicians will just have to roll their sleeves up higher in the future.