Complicit in War Crimes

[Gaétan]

21 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What have the Palestinians experienced? 

I'll tell you, dipshit... About 1% of what the Sikhs and Hindus in Pakistan experienced at the hands of muslims. 

Yup, the Palestinians don't just have it good compared to those guys, their lives are AWESOME by comparison. The number of people driven from their homes in Palestine is lower than the number of Sikhs and Hindus killed in the Indian partition by Pakistanis/muslims.

At the rate Israelis are killing Palestinians right now, that war would have to continue for 20 years to equal hat happened in Pakistan, dummy.

Can you tell me how you feel about the Pakistanis Gaetan? No? 

So stop pretending to be a humanitarian you worthless a-hole. You're just an angry bigot. 

The crimes committed by Hitler or others criminals aren't an excuse for crimes committed by Netanyahu.

[WestCanMan]

42 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The crimes committed by Hitler or others criminals aren't an excuse for crimes committed by Netanyahu.

That's not what that means, Gaetan.

It means that Iran sits right between 2 places where the British partitioned countries when they were getting out of the empire business. 

1. Country 1 forced 8.0M people out, and massacred approximately 1.0M
2. Country 2 forced 0.7M people out, and massacred approximately 0.0005M people

Neither of the aggressor countries had any better or worse reasons for committing their massacres. 

Iran absolutely detests country 2. Massacring 0.0005M people in 1948 was an atrocity that they can't condone, so they're committed to a genocide against the people who committed it. 

Iran is on good terms with country 1. Massacring 1M people in 1947 was an atrocity that they can condone, so they're on friendly terms with the people who committed it. 

Gaetan is like Iran. He is quite comfortable with genocides in the range of 1M people, but killing 0.0005M people is too many. 

I don't see it that way. I do feel like massacring 1M is much worse than 500. They're both bad, but if I was gonna say 1 country was worse, I'd say that it was the country who massacred 1M people. 

I'm probably right, because that country went on to massacre 3M more people in 1971. 

Israel would have to keep killing people at their current rate for 100 years to catch up to Pakistan. 100 years. 

[Gaétan]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's not what that means, Gaetan.

It means that Iran sits right between 2 places where the British partitioned countries when they were getting out of the empire business. 

1. Country 1 forced 8.0M people out, and massacred approximately 1.0M
2. Country 2 forced 0.7M people out, and massacred approximately 0.0005M people

Neither of the aggressor countries had any better or worse reasons for committing their massacres. 

Iran absolutely detests country 2. Massacring 0.0005M people in 1948 was an atrocity that they can't condone, so they're committed to a genocide against the people who committed it. 

Iran is on good terms with country 1. Massacring 1M people in 1947 was an atrocity that they can condone, so they're on friendly terms with the people who committed it. 

Gaetan is like Iran. He is quite comfortable with genocides in the range of 1M people, but killing 0.0005M people is too many. 

I don't see it that way. I do feel like massacring 1M is much worse than 500. They're both bad, but if I was gonna say 1 country was worse, I'd say that it was the country who massacred 1M people. 

I'm probably right, because that country went on to massacre 3M more people in 1971. 

Israel would have to keep killing people at their current rate for 100 years to catch up to Pakistan. 100 years. 

I agree that the criminals who kill more people will spend more time to hell if that's what you mean.

[Venandi]

21 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The crimes committed by Hitler or others criminals aren't an excuse for crimes committed by Netanyahu.

Those who have done multiple tours in the area (UNEF, UNDOF, UNTSO, UNIFIL, MFO) and trained extensively with the IDF have an observation and a simple question:

The observation is: Hamas isn't a political entity with political objectives that are subject  to negotiation. It's a religious entity with religious objectives and those objectives are doctrinal in nature and non-negotiable.  

The question is: in view of that, how would you negotiate with Hamas?

It's an important question and one rarely answered by people who can't get through Christmas dinner with their in-laws. Put another way, how do you negotiate with the murderous neighbour next door who just got out of jail for fire bombing your house and poisoning your dog because you happen to be Jewish (even though you've never left Canada and vote NDP).  

Like it or not, the absence of a credible answer leaves no alternative but pursuing the present course.

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

Those who have done multiple tours in the area (UNEF, UNDOF, UNTSO, UNIFIL, MFO) and trained extensively with the IDF have an observation and a simple question:

The observation is: Hamas isn't a political entity with political objectives that are subject  to negotiation. It's a religious entity with religious objectives and those objectives are doctrinal in nature and non-negotiable.  

The question is: in view of that, how would you negotiate with Hamas?

It's an important question and one rarely answered by people who can't get through Christmas dinner with their in-laws. Put another way, how do you negotiate with the murderous neighbour next door who just got out of jail for fire bombing your house and poisoning your dog because you happen to be Jewish (even though you've never left Canada and vote NDP).  

 

There were negotiations with Hamas but they were unsuccessfull, that's is a evidence that they want to negociate.

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

I agree that the criminals who kill more people will spend more time to hell if that's what you mean.

I just think it's really weird to say "They killed a million people, but the people they killed were just Sikhs and Hindus, so it's no big deal. I really hate the other guys, because they killed 500 muslims. We need to commit a massive genocide against them, in the millions, to even this out."

You're supporting the people who say that. They say EXACTLY that.

• ALL OF THE ARAB STATES INSTANTLY SUPPORTED PAKISTAN, EVEN BEFORE THE ONE MILLION SIKHS AND HINDUS WHO WERE MASSACRED WERE IN THE GROUND. THE ARAB STATES NORMALIZED RELATIONS WITH PAKISTAN WHILE THE MASS-KILLINGS WERE STILL GOING ON. 

 

• 7 ARAB STATES ATTACKED ISRAEL ON THE FIRST DAY THEY BECAME A COUNTRY, AND 20 YEARS LATER THEY ALL SIGNED THE KHARTOUM RESOLUTION - VOWING TO NEVER RECOGNIZE ISRAEL AS A STATE. UNTIL TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, NONE OF THEM WAVERED. IT TOOK THEM 75 YEARS FOR ANY OF THEM TO DO WITH ISRAEL WHAT THEY DID WITH PAKISTAN ON DAY 1.

500 people vs 800,000 Gaetan. If you killed people in groups of 500, you'd have to do it one thousand six hundred times to equal 800K. If you killed 500 people a week, you'd have to keep doing it for 31 years to equal 800K. If you killed 500 people a day, you'd still have to do it for 4.4 years. The entire number of people killed during Israeli partition, every day, for 4 years and 5 months. 

Edited November 24, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Gaétan]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I just think it's really weird to say "They killed a million people, but the people they killed were just Sikhs and Hindus, so it's no big deal. I really hate the other guys, because they killed 500 muslims. We need to commit a massive genocide against them, in the millions, to even this out."

You're supporting the people who say that. They say EXACTLY that.

• ALL OF THE ARAB STATES INSTANTLY SUPPORTED PAKISTAN, EVEN BEFORE THE ONE MILLION SIKHS AND HINDUS WHO WERE MASSACRED WERE IN THE GROUND. THE ARAB STATES NORMALIZED RELATIONS WITH PAKISTAN WHILE THE MASS-KILLINGS WERE STILL GOING ON. 

 

• 7 ARAB STATES ATTACKED ISRAEL ON THE FIRST DAY THEY BECAME A COUNTRY, AND 20 YEARS LATER THEY ALL SIGNED THE KHARTOUM RESOLUTION - VOWING TO NEVER RECOGNIZE ISRAEL AS A STATE. UNTIL TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, NONE OF THEM WAVERED. IT TOOK THEM 75 YEARS FOR ANY OF THEM TO DO WITH ISRAEL WHAT THEY DID WITH PAKISTAN ON DAY 1.

500 people vs 800,000 Gaetan. If you killed people in groups of 500, you'd have to do it one thousand six hundred times to equal 800K. If you killed 500 people a week, you'd have to keep doing it for 31 years to equal 800K. If you killed 500 people a day, you'd still have to do it for 4.4 years. The entire number of people killed during Israeli partition, every day, for 4 years and 5 months. 

I wander what is your point, if you kill one person, you commit a crime, if you kill two you double up your crime. To kill two persons is not an excuse for killing one.

[Venandi]

42 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

There were negotiations with Hamas but they were unsuccessfull,

And they will continue to be unsuccessful because there is no alternative (for them) other  than "from the river to the sea." They're dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state and building on the rubble of it.

Everyone wants to see a peaceful resolution here...  but the real question is pretty simple, and 43 pages in, it remains unaddressed, unasked and unresolved... how do you propose to negotiate with that murderous neighbour and are you even willing to negotiate after they killed your dog, burnt a portion of your house down and left your wife with permanent breathing problems due to smoke inhalation.

Veterans of those missions, and people who have spent years there are all going to ask you the exact same question.

If you don't have an answer, if you can't conjure up a viable solution that changes Hamas ideology in a manner that allows them to remain intact as a functioning entity and partner in the pursuit of peace, then you can expect to see the continuation of the total commitment to systematically dismantle them an entity capable of inflicting further harm. 

 

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

I wander what is your point, if you kill one person, you commit a crime, if you kill two you double up your crime. To kill two persons is not an excuse for killing one.

Is killing 800,000 worse than 500 or not?

Can you explain why killing basically a million people is better than killing 500?

[Gaétan]

On 11/24/2024 at 3:29 PM, Venandi said:

And they will continue to be unsuccessful because there is no alternative (for them) other  than "from the river to the sea." They're dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state and building on the rubble of it.

Everyone wants to see a peaceful resolution here...  but the real question is pretty simple, and 43 pages in, it remains unaddressed, unasked and unresolved... how do you propose to negotiate with that murderous neighbour and are you even willing to negotiate after they killed your dog, burnt a portion of your house down and left your wife with permanent breathing problems due to smoke inhalation.

Veterans of those missions, and people who have spent years there are all going to ask you the exact same question.

If you don't have an answer, if you can't conjure up a viable solution that changes Hamas ideology in a manner that allows them to remain intact as a functioning entity and partner in the pursuit of peace, then you can expect to see the continuation of the total commitment to systematically dismantle them an entity capable of inflicting further harm. 

 

 

 

I am not interested to discuss with agents of Israël, Poilievre, Trudeau paid for broadcasting their propaganda, i have no time to spend for that.

[Venandi]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:49 AM, Gaétan said:

I am not interested to discuss with agents of Israël...

If you can't answer a simple question how do you expect to solve a complex problem?

I first deployed there in 1977 and I've been asking that self same question ever since... your response is as standard as it is unremarkable; I have yet to get a coherent answer to it.

You could have been first, Instead you joined a large club with many members, all of them screaming, all of them carrying signs on sticks and none of them willing to discuss the issue with anything other than slogans written on the signs they carry. 

I'll leave you to your silence and enjoy the sound of it... knowing it's only temporary.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

If you can't answer a simple question how do you expect to solve a complex problem?

 

Your optimism is now the stuff of legends  

[WestCanMan]

On 11/26/2024 at 5:49 AM, Gaétan said:

I am not interested to discuss with agents of Israël, Poilievre, Trudeau paid for broadcasting their propaganda, i have no time to spend for that.

You have no time for people who tell you inconvenient truths, Gaétan. It's called "confirmation bias". 

Edited November 30, 2024 by WestCanMan