Complicit in War Crimes

[Army Guy]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

These rules clearly need to be changed so what you're justifying is made illegal.  The politicians will just have to roll their sleeves up higher in the future.

In the hopes of what, allowing you to sleep at night...Man has developed, weapons' of mass destruction designed to kill entire cities, with blast effects of ranges of up to 300 KM's or more, it kills all forms of life, be it human , animal, insect...then there is chemicals weapons designed to attack your nervous system, or solidify your blood, or cause severe blistering of your skin, they have agents that do all kinds of things to once again kill maim anything human, animal or insect.... and if thats not enough we have bombs that weigh as much as 20,000 lbs...

And you think they are going to change the rules becasue some civilians are getting killed...Civilians are always going to be the at the top of the causalities lists.... something every man, women , and child that knows how to use goggle knows but fails to do anything about. This regrettable fact is never going to change until man finds another way to solve his issues without violence...   

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

This regrettable fact is never going to change until man finds another way to solve his issues without violence...   

Or we find ways to ensure its the people who can't solve their issues that bear the consequences. Recall that old idea of locking uncooperative politicians into a room and cutting off food, water and toiletries as time passes without a solution. At this point we could provide them with weapons. Something crude and short so they need to get up close and personal to each other when making their cases.

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, Gaétan said:

the terrorist is the israelis'army and you are a murderer.

1) Hamas are actual terrorists - there's a definition for that word and it only applies to Hamas. 

Terrorists (Hamas) are people who use violent attacks against civilian targets to achieve political goals. Just learn that, it will save you further embarrassment.

2) Israel has perfectly valid land claims, just like Pakistan does. Their land claims were granted in the exact same way at the same time (9 months apart). Arabs support Pakistan's land claims 100% despite both of their actual genocides, which were in the millions. That's like nuking Gaza 2.5 times. IF YOU SUPPORT PAKISTAN THEN YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 5 MILLION MURDERS!

3) In the past, when armies attacked Israel, they lost, and in some instances the Israelis took some of their land. They usually give it back, but that's just optional.

General rule: if you try to commit genocide against someone and fail, it should hurt. Trying to commit genocide against Israel has hurt the bigoted armies that attacked them. 

4) Hamas intentionally killed 1,400 men, women and children. They burned some of them to death. They raped them, murdered them, and paraded their naked bodies in public to be spat upon. They launched 5,000 bombs at civilian targets on the first day, and they've been shooting bombs at people continuously since then. YOU FEEL JOY FROM ALL OF THOSE MURDERS!

Edited November 15, 2023 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

On 10/24/2023 at 6:59 AM, Gaétan said:

How come the international court won't issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, he has committed hundreds of war crimes by bombing Gaza. It's always a double standard, NATO allies are still protected, it's a puppet court.

Why don't you care that Hamas intentionally burned people to death? What should Israel do? 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Or we find ways to ensure its the people who can't solve their issues that bear the consequences. Recall that old idea of locking uncooperative politicians into a room and cutting off food, water and toiletries as time passes without a solution. At this point we could provide them with weapons. Something crude and short so they need to get up close and personal to each other when making their cases.

Great solution. So people will be forced to choose the most violent among them as leaders. That should bring about peace ?

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Great solution. So people will be forced to choose the most violent among them as leaders. That should bring about peace.

Nope. I'm betting the politicians will make peace and solve their dilemma once the bathroom facilities are closed off.

It'll come down to intestinal retention vs fortitude.

Edited November 15, 2023 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope. I'm betting the politicians will make peace and solve their dilemma once the bathroom facilities are closed off.

It'll come down to intestinal retention vs fortitude.

Just cutting off their military industrial complex revenue stream would probably work. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Or we find ways to ensure its the people who can't solve their issues that bear the consequences.

That is what's happening.

The people of gaza chose a gov't.   They knew the gov't intended to attack isreal, it's done so before it's made it clear it intends to do so again. it was up to those people to make sure their gov't was under control

They didn't solve their issues. They're paying the price.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That is what's happening.

The people of gaza chose a gov't.   They knew the gov't intended to attack isreal, it's done so before it's made it clear it intends to do so again. it was up to those people to make sure their gov't was under control

They didn't solve their issues. They're paying the price.

Everything you say is just as true the other way, Israel started it and Israelis want their government to continue subjugating Palestine to this day and with no end in sight.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Army Guy said:

...Civilians are always going to be the at the top of the causalities lists.... something every man, women , and child that knows how to use goggle knows but fails to do anything about. This regrettable fact is never going to change until man finds another way to solve his issues without violence...   

You guys make this sound like it was ordained from God and delivered in a Fatwa from Charlton Heston.

Its always Man this and Man that.

Screw Man, let's give Wo-man a shot. We can work our way up the pronoun ladder from there if need be. Put a few Kindergarteners in charge too.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

In the hopes of what, allowing you to sleep at night...Man has developed, weapons' of mass destruction designed to kill entire cities, with blast effects of ranges of up to 300 KM's or more, it kills all forms of life, be it human , animal, insect...

Prove it. This is sorta like climate change, you don't have any proof the fallout from a nuclear exchange will mean the end of the world. In fact look at Chernobyl, it's a haven for wildlife these days.

A good nuclear smack upside Man's head might just do the trick. This would also slow the economy down nicely too, the only proven way to reduce CO2. Try to be a little more Himalayan about it and accept the reality that the path to enlightenment is a painful one. I thought you warrior types got that.

 

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Everything you say is just as true the other way, Israel started it and Israelis want their government to continue subjugating Palestine to this day and with no end in sight.

Except the gov't of isreal has not stated that's its intent and in fact has come to the table before, only to be chased away by hamas.

Nor would any of that justify the kind of civillian terrorist attack that we saw in October.

But sure - if for example isreal decided to send planes to blow up residential areas and kill civvies in iran without warning then yes, their population would wind up having to live with the consequences.

So you're right - but you're wrong that there's ANY justification for the attack against israel - there is ZERO - while there absolutely is against gaza - israel has a right to self defense .

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Prove it. This is sorta like climate change, you don't have any proof the fallout from a nuclear exchange will mean the end of the world. In fact look at Chernobyl, it's a haven for wildlife these days.

A good nuclear smack upside Man's head might just do the trick. This would also slow the economy down nicely too, the only proven way to reduce CO2. Try to be a little more Himalayan about it and accept the reality that the path to enlightenment is a painful one. I thought you warrior types got that.

 

I think you missed the point, why were are not worried about a few civilians dyeing in war, when we have purposely designed weapons' that kill entire cities millions of people with one warheads...some missiles have 10 or more warheads...

Prove it....your funny... you should goggle it...see what the experts say...Chernobyl, was not even close to what nukes of todays power can get to...a nuclear exchange would be thousands of missiles being flung around the globe, the lucky ones would die in the explosions themselves...the rest would die a painful death of radiation poisoning, weeks later...considering the radiation would reach our air streams, it would travel great distances, no one would be very safe...what would you eat, if it's poisoned...Army had a saying....if you don't eat , your don't sh*t, if you don't sh*t you die...

[Army Guy]

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You guys make this sound like it was ordained from God and delivered in a Fatwa from Charlton Heston.

Its always Man this and Man that.

Screw Man, let's give Wo-man a shot. We can work our way up the pronoun ladder from there if need be. Put a few Kindergarteners in charge too.

Man, women makes no difference, we are all f*ucked up, when it comes to settling things with violence...ever here of the Iron lady....kicked the shit our of Argentina...plenty of other women who took there countries to war....

[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nor would any of that justify the kind of civillian terrorist attack that we saw in October.

Nothing justifies that. The people who did that should definitely be arrested and charged for war crimes too.

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Man, women makes no difference

Kindergarten kids it is then.

[eyeball]

50 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

....nuclear exchange would be thousands of missiles being flung around the globe, the lucky ones would die in the explosions themselves...

It'll be glorious! C'mon, where's your sense of adventure? And it just may not be that bad. I mean, the scientists who lit the fuse on the first nuke seriously entertained the possibility they would ignite Earth's atmosphere. Do you think that stopped them?  Please don't tell me we spent trillions on these things just to let them sit there gathering dust.

A limited nuclear exchange that makes us stare oblivion in the face just may be enough of a galvanizing event to smarten us up.  You really don't think the smack-upside-the-head painful-path-to-progress thing has ANY merit whatsoever?

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nothing justifies that. The people who did that should definitely be arrested and charged for war crimes too.

Well traditionally you only get to get arrested if you surrender. Otherwise you get killed or captured.  which is what israel is in the process of doing.

They can slap 'em with charges of using their own people as meat shields to if it gets to that point, that's also a crime.

Every single death in this whole war is on the hands of hamas. Only they could have decided not to start the war, only they could have decided not to hide behind civvies, only they could stop it tomorrow by surrendering and not face a holocaust.

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Every single death in this whole war is on the hands of hamas.

Its also on those who turned Jewish refugees away to those who told them to go subjugate somebody else who didn't matter and especially to those who insist on calling that a right to defend yourself.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Its also on those who turned Jewish refugees away to those who told them to go subjugate somebody else who didn't matter and especially to those who insist on calling that a right to defend yourself.

Nope.  Not even a little.

Hamas had opportunity to sit and negotiate and work something out - they didn't.  Hamas decided that killing civillians was entirely justified - it's not.  Hamas was happy to get it's own people killed - which they're doing

This is 100 percent, purely, entirely, completely and only the fault of hamas.  They had other ways to address virtually any of their complaints other than this and they didn't.  And shit that happened 100 years go does not justify an attack on civilians today.

Period.  Every single death? Hamas. Nobody else.

 

 

 

[eyeball]

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.  Not even a little.

Yup. A whole pile.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yup. A whole pile.

Zero.

I know - you want this war to be Israel's fault. Or anyone other than the Gazan's who are getting clobbered right now.  Anyone but them.

But it isn't. Nothing in history can excuse this. Nothing in history mitigates or reduces their decisions on oct 7th.  Nobody else is responsible for their actions. Absolutely everything that is happening is 100 percent their responsibility. Nobody else's.

And their people will have to be made to suffer until they, and you, and others learn that simple lesson. Otherwise this just keeps happening.

I wish that they would surrender and put an end to this.  Hell for that matter i wish that someone other than hamas got elected, or that getting elected made them calm down so that they were willing to sit at the table with Israel and work out peace.

But they made their choices - and they've made that choice again and again in one gaza war after another.

I'm sorry for the pain this causes you.  But they have to be ground into the dust or they'll just keep coming back and killing people. And that was 100 percent their choice.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Zero.

Nope. Israel simply does not have a right to subjugate Palestinians.

No other country has such a right. They may well have the might but that doesn't make it right.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope. Israel simply does not have a right to subjugate Palestinians.

 

Sure they do - they gained that right on oct 7th. They absolutely do and they're doing it right now.

Again - you might wish it was different but it isn't. THat's what happens when you attack another country without warning or excuse and slaughter their civillans.  That kind of evil needs to be irradicated and the israelis are within their rights to take any necessary action to do so.

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Kindergarten kids it is then.

It's what we have now, in the liberal government , so sure why not...