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1 minute ago, ironstone said:

Director of a Gaza hospital says clinics were used by Hamas fighters (msn.com)

Even with this admission, there are still those who refuse to admit the truth.

You can't trust that because he could have said that so he wouldn't be killed, put in jail or tortured and it's those who threaten his life who say that.

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On 12/17/2023 at 3:53 PM, eyeball said:

Soldiers, three of them. Or do you mean the one who disobeyed or misinterpreted  or didn't hear the order to cease fire?

The competence of the IDF on display here probably explains why it's killed so many women and children in its campaign.

But then perhaps that's just an indication of successful vengeance?

Israel's Netanyahu vows 'mighty vengeance' against Hamas

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-vows-mighty-vengeance-against-hamas-2023-10-07/

Question, did you blame the collapse of the western fisheries, on a few fishermen, or a few government officials... becasue thats what your doing here.... but hamas supporters generally are quick to fire back some BS comments before knowing what the real issue is... IDF has over 300,000 troops on the ground, currently yet you find it easy to paint all of them with one brush.....during the time when these Hostage's were killed there was no cease fire...bullets were flying both ways, check your media sources.......just a point of order, oct 7 attack by Hamas was carried out during a cease fire, I know right it only works one way........which means nothing to your brothers in arms... 

Yes many women and children have been killed in these attacks, but this is just a talking point for you and your terrorist friends to convert the uneducated about this conflict....., the reason i comment on this is you have not mentioned anything of any other women and children being killed around the world in conflicts ...no you like to concentrate on those terrorist's that wantonly kill children in front of their parents, who shoot small infants, rape defenseless women and then parade their bloody bodies for everyone to see, the same people who phone their mothers to brag about who many defenseless women they have killed during the oct 7.... These are the people you have chosen to defend...these are the people that you stand with.....and their victims are the ones you choose to ignore....

Vengeance...you can call it many things, it takes over everyone involved...soldiers, politicians, citizens...everyone touched by conflict...something you can not even imigine here in Canada, unless you have lived it...so spare me all the drama About how Israel wants vengeance...

Of course they do...everyone that has something ripped out of your arms and killed wants vengeance...and this conflict will not stop until they have their fill, when Hamas is no longer in charge of Gaza, when Hamas terror network is destroyed...when hamas has no control of Palestinians....Until then Israel does not care what you or the world thinks about them, it is not listening period...you've already picked a side so your voice means nothing.

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1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Question, did you blame the collapse of the western fisheries, on a few fishermen, or a few government officials...

The latter obviously. I mean I suppose I could cite the royal we as in all of us human beings... but no, even 50 years or more ago or we had the scientific knowledge and precedent to inform us about what happens when fisheries managers let overfishing occur.

 

6 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

...becasue thats what your doing here....

Overfishing? If you say so.

 

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

but hamas supporters generally are quick to fire back some BS comments before knowing what the real issue is... IDF has over 300,000 troops on the ground, currently yet you find it easy to paint all of them with one brush...

I support Palestine not Hamas. You just painted some 5 million Palestinians with your Hamas brush and me as a terrorist sympathizer.

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

....just a point of order, oct 7 attack by Hamas was carried out during a cease fire, I know right it only works one way......

I guess that explains why Israel was able to continue violently establishing more settlements in the West Bank during the ceasefire, like you say, it only works one way.

 

20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

...everyone that has something ripped out of your arms and killed wants vengeance...

So you seem to understand why things like Oct 7 happen it after all. You just don't care because you live on a one way street.

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

no you like to concentrate on those terrorist's that wantonly kill children in front of their parents, who shoot small infants, rape defenseless women and then parade their bloody bodies for everyone to see, the same people who phone their mothers to brag about who many defenseless women they have killed during the oct 7.... These are the people you have chosen to defend...

Fu ck you.

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50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I support Palestine not Hamas. You just painted some 5 million Palestinians with your Hamas brush and me as a terrorist sympathizer.

I guess that explains why Israel was able to continue violently establishing more settlements in the West Bank during the ceasefire, like you say, it only works one way.

 

So you seem to understand why things like Oct 7 happen it after all. You just don't care because you live on a one way street.

Fu ck you.

No you support a people who overwhelmingly voted in a terrorist organization as their government...shit you can clearly see it here in Canada what free Palestinians want, they want the entire area free of Jews.... and they live in Canada...not hard to paint them all with one brush when a majority of them are calling for Israel to cease to exist...

I don't agree what is happening in the wets bank, but i understand it, since 1948 Israel has been under attack and the 7 th was the straw that broke the camels back....there is nothing but hatred on both sides, there will never be peace as long as the Palestinians are in the area....want peace start looking for a new Palestinian state...

I do live on a one way street...i made a career fighting terrorist, and they are all alike, every last one of them...Hamas does not care about Palestinians,  and Palestinians cling to Hamas like they are gods....i can't change that either can you, only they can....and they have not suffered enough to see that clearly....this conflict will not be over in a year, 10  or 20 years, it will be ongoing longer than me and you are alive....this is the start....not the middle nor the end, the start of suffering for both sides...when Palestinians have had enough they will ask for peace...not before....

I'm not the one supporting Hamas or it's people...thats you....you want to save them convince them to raise up against hamas and end this...but thats never going to happen becasue they the majority of Palestinians support Hamas...and all their actions....  

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20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

No you support a people who overwhelmingly voted in a terrorist organization as their government..

I support a people who haven't been given the chance to vote in almost 20 years.

You OTOH seem to cling to some belief that Hamas is a shining beacon of democracy that's so shiny it doesn't need an election to validate it.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I support a people who haven't been given the chance to vote in almost 20 years.

You OTOH seem to cling to some belief that Hamas is a shining beacon of democracy that's so shiny it doesn't need an election to validate it.

You see the protests all over the world? You see any of them calling for hamas to surrender?

The gaza people overwhelmingly support hamas and are now living with the consequences of that.

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6 hours ago, eyeball said:

I support a people who haven't been given the chance to vote in almost 20 years.

You OTOH seem to cling to some belief that Hamas is a shining beacon of democracy that's so shiny it doesn't need an election to validate it.

No, you support a people who have been represented by not one, not 2 but 3 terrorist groups...see the pattern here...see where the next government is going to come from terrorists.....

Hamas is not a beacon of anything except terrorism...nothing more...they are rapid dogs....and it's people have supported terrorism for the last 17 years...And in those 17 years Hamas has used the billions it gets in aid to wage a terror on Israel and not it's people.....they don't want a 2 state solution they want it all, they want Israel to cease to exist thats who you support....a state that sponsors gynecide and Terrorism... 

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4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

1. You see the protests all over the world? 2. You see any of them calling for hamas to surrender?

3. The gaza people overwhelmingly support hamas and are now living with the consequences of that.

1. Yup

2. Oh it's clear support amongst Palestinians for Hamas has gone up since Oct 7 but it's interesting to note that when thousands of Israelis were protesting the most extreme government in Israel's history that thousands of Palestinians were also protesting against Hamas.

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Several thousand people briefly took to the streets across the Gaza Strip on Sunday to protest chronic power outages and difficult living conditions, providing a rare public show of discontent with the territory’s Hamas government. Hamas security forces quickly dispersed the gatherings.

Marches took place in Gaza City, the southern town of Khan Younis and other locations, chanting “what a shame” and in one place burning Hamas flags, before police moved in and broke up the protests.

Police destroyed mobile phones of people who were filming in Khan Younis, and witnesses said there were several arrests. Dozens of young supporters and opponents of Hamas briefly faced off, throwing stones at one another.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-hamas-demonstration-israel-blockade-palestinians-306b19228f9dd21f1036386ce3709672

I wouldn't be surprised if support for Netanyahu has increased since Oct 7 as well. Hamas and Likud go together like peas and carrots. 

3. The protests all over the world are overwhelmingly in support of Palestine not Hamas.

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16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

...you support

Please don't tell me who I support.  Get it through your head, I support this.

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...see where the next government is going to come from terrorists.....

No but I'm pretty sure I can see why this hate and terror will carry on for generations. 

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1 hour ago, ironstone said:

That is debatable. How many people at these protests are chanting ' from the river to the sea' and all that it implies?

Probably a hell of a lot fewer than the number of Israelis that say precisely the same thing. They've been saying it for decades now in fact.

The phrase was also used by the Israeli ruling Likud party as part of their 1977 election manifesto which stated "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." This slogan was repeated by Menachem Begin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea#:~:text=The phrase was also used,was repeated by Menachem Begin.

Here's Netanyahu showing the world what Israel means just a couple of weeks before Oct 7.

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During a speech before the United Nations General Assembly on September 22, 2023, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds up a map that shows Israel stretching “from the river to the sea.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/its-time-to-confront-israels-version-of-from-the-river-to-the-sea/#:~:text=During a speech before the,the river to the sea.”

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

1. Yup

Oh really. Where's that? Where's the hordes of Palestinians who are protesting demanding the surrender of Gaza.  Show me that.

Every. Single. Time  with you.

 

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2. Oh it's clear support amongst Palestinians for Hamas has gone up since Oct 7

So they support hamas. Well thanks for pointing that out.

And your link shows they're not protesting hamas at all, they're protesting power outages and difficult living conditions.  THey want the gov't to try to fix that - they're not even calling for the removal of hamas.

So no. It wasn't interesting.

The public supports hamas. THey support the actions hamas has taken.  Period full stop.

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3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Hamas, contrary to the propaganda conveyed in the media, are not terrorists but vigilantes, Israeli settlers and their soldiers kill Palestinians every day and the justice system in this country does nothing, so they took the law into their own hands

Why would the justice system in this country do anything about any killings in any other country? You think we should be sending the RCMP over to arrest israelis?

You sound less sane with every post.  So i suppose i could compliment you on your consistency if nothing else.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's no doubt some support them. There's bad people on both sides.

That's true,  but in this case it does mean they're going to have to own the decisions hamas makes.

At this time to preserve the people hamas should surrender and lay down it's arms. It's only getting it's people killed.

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47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's true,  but in this case it does mean they're going to have to own the decisions hamas makes.

Owning is not the same as having to live with.

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

At this time to preserve the people hamas should surrender and lay down it's arms. It's only getting it's people killed.

People who say they intend to completely destroy Palestine will have to change their tune as well.

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16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Please don't tell me who I support.  Get it through your head, I support this.

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No but I'm pretty sure I can see why this hate and terror will carry on for generations. 

Eyeball you have made it very clear who you support, I'm not putting words in your mouth...you've chosen Palestine, who want nothing to do with peace....they want the entire area including the area that is currently Israel...Israel has offered a 2 state proposal on many occasions all have been refused by those governing Palestine.... I'll write slow here...Palestinian people don't want peace with Israel until they are destroyed...THERE WILL BE NO peace...So while you throw your support behind a terrorist state and it's people you also don't want peace....

This hate is already generations old...it will not stop until one side is destroyed...Have you seen what hamas teaches it's children in schools...they laugh in your face , they will not accept anything but Israel's destruction....Israel is not going to curl up into a ball and die...it will defend itself even if it means every last Palestinian dies...

I did not truly understand the word "hate" until i spent 8 months in Israel, both sides HATE each other, not dislike but HATE to the point where killing each other is the only option...for most of the population on both sides...every man/ women in the police, security force and army carry military weapons' every where they go, to work, on the busses , going to the bank, the store, every where....the country is constantly at a state of war....There is no line in the sand to cross, but rather a 6 foot deep trench....

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3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're maintaining there isn't a single Palestinian who wants peace? That's irrational. 

If millions want to destroy Israel, what difference does it make if a few want peace?   They have no influence or say.  The terrorists and anti-Israel radicals run the show. You are in the same camp as the anti-Semites that existed for 2,000 years and led to the Holocaust.

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