Complicit in War Crimes

[I am Groot]

On 10/26/2023 at 10:45 PM, Gaétan said:

I don't understand Hamas attacking innocent people because their real enemy is the Netanyahu government. The cause of that war is the unjustice made to palestinians, don't forget that. We have to get a cease fire 

Like the ceasefire that was in place on October 7?

[I am Groot]

On 10/31/2023 at 8:52 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No, Israel cannot kill everyone. Maybe a hundred thousand at most before the world rises up against them and force them to stop. Look now with ten thousand dead already the world is fully turning against Israel.

Syria has killed over five hundred thousand so far. The Saudis have killed over three hundred thousand in  Yemen. No one cares. Why isn't the world rising up?

Oh, right, because they're not Jews.

[Gaétan]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Syria has killed over five hundred thousand so far. The Saudis have killed over three hundred thousand in  Yemen. No one cares. Why isn't the world rising up?

Oh, right, because they're not Jews.

Unfortunately you are not a righteous one and you will be punished for it after your life, you must change, try to do some meditation or yoga, avoid medication.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Unfortunately you are not a righteous one and you will be punished for it after your life, you must change, try to do some meditation or yoga, avoid medication.

Who's will do the punishing?

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Syria has killed over five hundred thousand so far. The Saudis have killed over three hundred thousand in  Yemen. No one cares. Why isn't the world rising up?

Oh, right, because they're not Jews.

No, because Israel is supposed to be a democracy pr the good guys not Syria or Saudi Arabia UNLESS  you admit that Israel is as bad as murderous Islamic republic or Assad of Syria or Saudi criminals?

Edited November 8, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No, because Israel is supposed to be a democracy pr the good guys not Syria or Saudi Arabia UNLESS  you admit that Israel is as bad as murderous Islamic republic or Assad of Syria or Saudi criminals?

So you're saying if you're a "bad guy" then you can kill as many as you like and do whatever you like without reprocussion?

 Is that the story you want to stick with?

[CITIZEN_2015]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you're saying if you're a "bad guy" then you can kill as many as you like and do whatever you like without reprocussion?

 Is that the story you want to stick with?

As usual you try to twist my words.

I meant if you are supposedly a good guy you are not supposed to justfy acting evil by saying that I am justified because bad guys did it too.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Do you imagine that justifies what Russia has been doing? Especially since the Ukrainian army pushed them back and they started to resort to nothing more than flinging missiles into churches, hospitals, apartment buildings, markets, and restaurants?

I have no idea if what you're saying is true and neither do you, and TBH it doesn't sound realistic. 

Ukraine is guilty of their own war crimes - firing from the types of buildings mentioned above, transporting troops in ambulances, attacking Russian troops while in civilian clothes, murdering prisoners of war, and their Nazi battalion intentionally targets and kills civilians - so it's weird that they're gonna whine when it happens to them. Maybe they forgot what war was when they provoked this conflict.

I really don't care what happens to Ukrainians. Those guys need to sort their own shit out. We shouldn't be prolonging that war. 

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The same cause some Muslim crazy from northern Africa has to rape a woman when he comes to Europe and sees her showing her ankles.

I think that bringing a hostile military alliance to someone's doorstep is worse than a woman showing off her ankles. 

Canada wouldn't be a country for 5 minutes after we openly talked about a plan like that and the Americans heard us. 

[WestCanMan]

On 10/26/2023 at 7:45 PM, Gaétan said:

I don't understand Hamas attacking innocent people because their real enemy is the Netanyahu government. The cause of that war is the unjustice made to palestinians, don't forget that. We have to get a cease fire to permit to deliver food, medications and fuel for hospitals. Poilievre says he is worried about Canadian in Gaza, he is an hypocrite because he should condemn bombing Gaza if he realy wants to save the live of Canadians. He doen't deserve to be prime minister, anybody but not him or Trudeau. I thought Poilievre was a righteous guy but you can see his real nature, he's a hypocrite like Trudeau

The Israelis have made it clear what Gazans need to do to stay safe. There's already a working plan in place for them. 

For them to say "Nah, we're just gonna stay here and make the Israeli army work around us instead" isn't a thing. That's the Hamas plan, right? Leave women and children in front of the army to delay their progress, and to generate dead child photo ops...

Is it ok to put women and children in harm's way, so that they can get killed, just for photo ops? Are women and children just props to you? 

The Israeli army is encircling Hamas and wiping them out. They can't give them a ceasefire to let them dig themselves out of their tunnels or move to/from location to location. A lot of terrorists can scurry from one location to another in 12 hrs, 24 hrs, etc. 

You keep forgetting: Gazans started this war and their soldiers are hiding in tunnels and forcing the women and children to die. They murdered Israeli children in their beds and now they want their own children to die.

Israelis and Hamas both say the same thing: Hamas loves killing Israelis more than they love their own children. You should listen to them - they know. You don't, or you're lying.

Edited November 8, 2023 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

As usual you try to twist my words.

 

If you don't mean what you say - then say what you really mean.

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I meant if you are supposedly a good guy you are not supposed to justfy acting evil by saying that I am justified because bad guys did it too.

Where is that written? Who says there ARE good guys and bad guys - there's just "guys" and we look at their actions.

But what you seem to be saying is that you want to hold SOME countries you DON"T like to  a higher
good guy" standard when it's convenient and then critisize them for being bad guys when you feel like it.

ANY "guy" has the right to defend themselves.  Israel was attacked and has declared war. ANY action they take at this point to neutralize that threat and win that war is "good guy" stuff.  If they start doing things that AREN"T part of winning the war then there's a problem but if it's necesseary to blow up a MLLION palestinians to win - that's what they do and they're still the good guys.

The 'bad guys' are the ones who started an unprovoked war in the first place.

[I am Groot]

On 11/8/2023 at 10:55 AM, WestCanMan said:

I think that bringing a hostile military alliance to someone's doorstep is worse than a woman showing off her ankles. 

Canada wouldn't be a country for 5 minutes after we openly talked about a plan like that and the Americans heard us. 

NATO is a defensive alliance. The idea it would attack Russia is ludicrous. It was even more ludicrous when Russia began its military campaigns. Most of NATO was virtually disarmed. The German military was, if anything, in worse shape than ours. The Ukrainian military was trash. The British military was falling apart. To suggest Russia feared a NATO attack is absurd.

On 11/8/2023 at 10:52 AM, WestCanMan said:

I have no idea if what you're saying is true and neither do you, and TBH it doesn't sound realistic. 

You are acting like those people who say that Israel murdered its own people on October 7.

The evidence for Russia targeting civilians and Ukrainian heritage areas is absolutely overwhelming, and no one with a shred of intelligence or ideological balance could or would deny it.

[I am Groot]

On 11/7/2023 at 11:17 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No, because Israel is supposed to be a democracy pr the good guys not Syria or Saudi Arabia UNLESS  you admit that Israel is as bad as murderous Islamic republic or Assad of Syria or Saudi criminals?

So you're saying it's perfectly fine for 'bad' countries to murder hundreds of thousands of people and the world will only care and rise up if a democracy does it?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

NATO is a defensive alliance. The idea it would attack Russia is ludicrous. It was even more ludicrous when Russia began its military campaigns. Most of NATO was virtually disarmed. The German military was, if anything, in worse shape than ours. The Ukrainian military was trash. The British military was falling apart. To suggest Russia feared a NATO attack is absurd.

Who are you to say "Putin should let NATO troops camp out 5 hrs from Moscow"?

They don't just have to fear a 2025 invasion. They also have to fear 2035, 2045, 2085 invasion, etc...

The fact that they're right there on Moscow's doorstep means that her would citizens have to live with the exact same kind of fear that Germans lived with from 45-90.

And what is Ukraine aside from a NATO proxy? 

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You are acting like those people who say that Israel murdered its own people on October 7.

You are acting like there weren't Nazi war crimes being committed in Ukraine before any of this started, but that's not surprising because our media here never talked about it. 

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

• Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march.

  A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe

  “Volunteer Ukrainian Unit Includes Nazis.”—USA Today, March 10, 2015 

  The DC establishment’s standard defense of Kiev is to point out that Ukraine’s far right has a smaller percentage of seats in the parliament than their counterparts in places like France. That’s a spurious argument: What Ukraine’s far right lacks in polls numbers, it makes up for with things Marine Le Pen could only dream of—paramilitary units and free rein on the streets.

  Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces. The Azov Battalion was initially formed out of the neo-Nazi gang Patriot of Ukraine. Andriy Biletsky, the gang’s leader who became Azov’s commander, once wrote that Ukraine’s mission is to “lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.” Biletsky is now a deputy in Ukraine’s parliament.

• In the fall of 2014, Azov—which is accused of human-rights abuses, including torture, by Human Rights Watch and the United Nations—was incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guard.

  While the group officially denies any neo-Nazi connections, Azov’s nature has been confirmed by multiple Western outlets: The New York Times called the battalion “openly neo-Nazi,” while USA Today, The Daily Beast, The Telegraph, and Haaretz documented group members’ proclivity for swastikas, salutes, and other Nazi symbols, and individual fighters have also acknowledged being neo-Nazis.

• In January 2018, Azov rolled out its National Druzhina street patrol unit whose members swore personal fealty to Biletsky and pledgedto “restore Ukrainian order” to the streets. The Druzhina quickly distinguished itself by carrying out pogroms against the Roma and LGBT organizations and storming a municipal council. Earlier this year, Kiev announced the neo-Nazi unit will be monitoring polls in next month’s presidential election.

Damn, that sounds just like the 2020 election in the US. 

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The evidence for Russia targeting civilians and Ukrainian heritage areas is absolutely overwhelming, and no one with a shred of intelligence or ideological balance could or would deny it.

Stop with your "evidence" already. It comes from western media outlets who deny the existence Naziism and bioweapons "cure" research in Ukraine. 

Neither one of us really knows what's going on there and we never will. 

We should just stay out of it - I do not like being a puppet of the Dems. 

[Gaétan]

On 11/8/2023 at 11:16 AM, WestCanMan said:

The Israelis have made it clear what Gazans need to do to stay safe. There's already a working plan in place for them. 

For them to say "Nah, we're just gonna stay here and make the Israeli army work around us instead" isn't a thing. That's the Hamas plan, right? Leave women and children in front of the army to delay their progress, and to generate dead child photo ops...

Is it ok to put women and children in harm's way, so that they can get killed, just for photo ops? Are women and children just props to you? 

The Israeli army is encircling Hamas and wiping them out. They can't give them a ceasefire to let them dig themselves out of their tunnels or move to/from location to location. A lot of terrorists can scurry from one location to another in 12 hrs, 24 hrs, etc. 

You keep forgetting: Gazans started this war and their soldiers are hiding in tunnels and forcing the women and children to die. They murdered Israeli children in their beds and now they want their own children to die.

Israelis and Hamas both say the same thing: Hamas loves killing Israelis more than they love their own children. You should listen to them - they know. You don't, or you're lying.

There isn't much Gazans can do to protect themself because Gaza is overcrowed and israelis army shoot anywhere

Edited November 11, 2023 by Gaétan

[CdnFox]

16 hours ago, Gaétan said:

There isn't much Gazans can do to protect themself because Gaza is overcrowed and israelis army shoot anywhere

The number one thing they could have done to protect themselves is tell hamas not to do that after the LAST time this happened.

The other thing they can do is avoid where hamas is - because that's the ONLY place isreal shoots.

But yeah - when you let hamas spend years building tunnels under your hospitals and rocket launchers on your roof tops and actively support their efforts to pick wars with israel  - it's too late when the war starts to try to fix things.

So - they'll get pounded into dust, many many will get killed because of their own choices in the past, and all we can hope is that they learn and never allow their gov't to start a war like that again.

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, Gaétan said:

There isn't much Gazans can do to protect themself because Gaza is overcrowed and israelis army shoot anywhere

Gazans:

1) Have no great reason to strive for genocide against the Israelis. 1947 Pakistan was infinitely more cruel than 1948 Israel.

2) Started a war by gleefully massacring women and children. They raped women, beat them to death, and paraded their naked corpses through the streets where they were spit on and assaulted by remorseless crowds.

3) Could escape if Hamas would let them, but Hamas needs them to die for photo ops.

[Gaétan]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Gazans:

1) Have no great reason to strive for genocide against the Israelis. 1947 Pakistan was infinitely more cruel than 1948 Israel.

2) Started a war by gleefully massacring women and children. They raped women, beat them to death, and paraded their naked corpses through the streets where they were spit on and assaulted by remorseless crowds.

3) Could escape if Hamas would let them, but Hamas needs them to die for photo ops.

The israeli army couldn't attack the territory of Gaza, they just had to negociate. Their generals and governement shoud be arrested but there is no justice in that country and with a puppet international double justice and the american veto they will do what they want..

Edited November 12, 2023 by Gaétan

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The israeli army couldn't attack the territory of Gaza, they just had to negociate. Their generals and governement shoud be arrested but there is no justice in that country and with a puppet international double justice and the american veto they will do what they want..

Israel could easily attack gaza.  And they would not negotiate with hamas and hamas has made it clear they won't negotiate with israel.

So the only people who deserve to be arrested and killed is hamas  who started this war and anyone who gets in between israel and them.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The israeli army couldn't attack the territory of Gaza, they just had to negociate.

That doesn't make any sense at all. 

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Their generals and governement shoud be arrested but there is no justice in that country and with a puppet international double justice and the american veto they will do what they want..

Blah, blah, blah.

You can't address any of the facts I just laid out for you, you just went to generic accusations because they completely expose the wickedness, evil and lies of Hamas.

In case you've forgotten, Gazans:

1) Have no great reason to strive for genocide against the Israelis - 1947 Pakistan was infinitely more cruel than 1948 Israel and no muslim nations are upset about Pakistan's TWO genocides that were in the millions - and they openly admit that their goal is to exterminate Jews.

2) Started a war by gleefully massacring women and children. They raped women, beat them to death, and paraded their naked corpses through the streets where they were spit on and assaulted by remorseless crowds.

3) Could escape if Hamas would let them, but Hamas needs their own women and children to die for photo ops.

Did you see that last part?

Hamas NEEDS their own women and children to die for photo ops.

Hamas PLANS FOR their own women and children to die for photo ops.

Hamas FORCES their own women and children to die for photo ops.

Hamas LOVES IT when their own women and children die for photo ops.

The Israelis protect their women and children.

The Israelis do more to protect the women and children of Hamas than Hamas does. Do you understand that? It's not an opinion, it's a fact. 

Your spurious allegations are falling on deaf ears here Gaetan. I don't care what you think of Israel's gov't. Once you openly support genocide, your opinion becomes meaningless. 

Edited November 12, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Queenmandy85]

If you wage war, do it energetically and with severity. This is the only way to make it shorter and consequently less inhuman."

 

– Napoléon Bonapart

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared."

 

– Niccolò Machiavelli

 

"God is on the side with the best artillery."

 

– Napoléon Bonaparte

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That doesn't make any sense at all. 

 

It makes sense Israel army couldn't attack Gaza because it makes innocent victimes and it is forbidden by international laws. Does it make sense that an army doen't respect laws of war.

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

It makes sense Israel army couldn't attack Gaza because it makes innocent victimes and it is forbidden by international laws. Does it make sense that an army doen't respect laws of war.

So you think that Gazans can just fire rockets at civilian targets in Israel for 5 weeks and Israel has to just sit there and take it?

Can you cite that specific law for me please? Is it called the Bigoted Barrage law? The Fun with Genocide law? 

You're stupid Gaetan, and you're a bigot. That's the only reason why you could say such blatantly ridiculous things and think you're making sense. 

Hamas: "Our stated goal is the extermination of Jews"

Hamas: "Don't mind us just firing 3,000 bombs at Israeli civilian targets in two days, and just sending our men into Israel to burn children to death, torture and rape women, and then drag their naked bodies through the streets to be spit on by all of our bright, beautiful people."

Hamas: "Why are they attacking us! We're victims!"

Gaetan: "Poor Hamas! The Israelis are war criminals!"

Me: "Gaetan, you are a stupid, hateful bigot. I don't give a crap what comes out of your vile mouth."

[Gaétan]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So you think that Gazans can just fire rockets at civilian targets in Israel for 5 weeks and Israel has to just sit there and take it?

Can you cite that specific law for me please? Is it called the Bigoted Barrage law? The Fun with Genocide law? 

You're stupid Gaetan, and you're a bigot. That's the only reason why you could say such blatantly ridiculous things and think you're making sense. 

Hamas: "Our stated goal is the extermination of Jews"

Hamas: "Don't mind us just firing 3,000 bombs at Israeli civilian targets in two days, and just sending our men into Israel to burn children to death, torture and rape women, and then drag their naked bodies through the streets to be spit on by all of our bright, beautiful people."

Hamas: "Why are they attacking us! We're victims!"

Gaetan: "Poor Hamas! The Israelis are war criminals!"

Me: "Gaetan, you are a stupid, hateful bigot. I don't give a crap what comes out of your vile mouth."

The other option if you can't attack Gaza is to negociate and they couldn't do it because it is forbitten by international law to shoot on innocent people as they did and they not only did that they have nothing to eat, no clean water if they have, they don't have medication, they don't have fuel to run hospitals because of Israel. A country has to respect international rights outside that they can do nothing. What they did is forbidden. The minister Jolie said they have the right to defend themself in the respect of international right outside that they can do nothing and if you look at it they couldn't attack Gaza.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Gaétan

[Canadian_Cavalier]

"Israel has the right to obliterate any civilian it wants, but Ukraine needs to give its land to Russia!'- Zionist hypocrites