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1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Cutting Gaza off food, water and power virtually starving a nation.

Refusing to provide the food, water and power your enemy has not seen fit to set aside of provide themselves is not a war crime. Israel provided them with water pipes. They dug them up to build rockets. Hamas has gotten hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign donors. Why have they not built up any infrastructure with it? Because they used the money to build thousands of rockets and by thousands of automatic weapons and RPGs?

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Killing of civilians by massive aerial bombardment so far 3500 civilians over a thousand of whom are childreb have been killed by Israeli attacks.

Says who? Says Hamas? Sorry, not buying it. And bombardment is not illegal when an enemy refuses to surrender. It's been done in just about every war. Unfortunate that civilians die, but perhaps they shouldn't elect a terrorist group as their leaders, eh?

 

57 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Israel is allowed to fight back against Hamas not defenseless civilians.

So they can fight back as long as the terrorists are on their soil, but once they retreat to Gaza Israel isn't allowed to attack them? Have I got that right?

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54 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Members of forum.

What Israel is doing is banned by all law enforcements.

If there is a criminal in a crowd of innocent people in a shopping center, the law enforcement officers will be put on trial for murder if they open fire on the crowd of innocent bystanders, killing ten people so that they also get the criminal or kill him too. This is called murder even if the killer is a law enforcement officer or killed the bystanders in self defense. THIS IS WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING, IT IS MURDER IN THE NAME OF SELF DEFENSE.

Your analogy is deeply flawed. It's not one guy who can be carefully separated from the rest. It's thousands of guys who are deeply buried in the population and are getting aid from that population. Would you have banned the allies from attacking Germany because civilians would die? Would you have banned them from freeing France and Italy and other countries because civilians would die? Would you have banned Russia from bombarding Berlin? How many civilians died there? 

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35 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Cutting Gaza off food, water and power virtually starving a nation.

Killing of civilians by massive aerial bombardment so far 3500 civilians over a thousand of whom are childreb have been killed by Israeli attacks.

Do you support all these.

There is nothing in the conventions or inter national law that state that cutting off water, food, and power is not allowed...

Geneva convention clearly states that any army/ group, or terrorist operating out of civilian areas, schools, building  mosques etc , lose their special status and can be targeted by military forces...

You have read the conventions right, i assume you have as you declared these as war crimes....when they are not...

Below is a few excerpts from a source i found , you can also read through the entire convention in the 4 th convention, it is however written for lawyers not lay men...and is sometime confusing. 

Do i support these , as long as the war is being fought within the rules of war then yes i support these, these rules and policies written to restrict what armies can and can not do, most of them were written to protect civilians believe it or not... i would say making them more civilized, but war is never civilized...

With things like modern media news travels around the world in minutes, people are shocked when they see the effects of war, they get brief flashes of what is really happening, war smacks you in the face , it's smells of rotten flesh and all things dead, it has a taste that is hard to get rid off, it is very graphic in face graphic, and then there is the sounds, bullets people screaming in pain...we in the west are very fortunate to not experience all of this our media hides most of the graphic content, becasue we are not conditioned to the sensory over load it brings... 

But this conflict is just in the starting phases, and it is going to get much worse and much larger once the ground campaign gets going, with many countries already vowing to get involved like Hezbollah in the north, Iran, and even Turkey is vowing it will stop the fighting. limited fighting is ongoing in the north with Hezbollah, and only going to expand...Turkish navy are already tailing US carrier group in an aggressive way...And when all this gets trigger by the ground war, many many more will die...the US has already drawn a line in the sand, they will stand with Israel...which means regardless of who is in power in Canada we will stand with the US....

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Defining war crimes 

The definition of war crimes against civilians was enshrined in Article 8 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) and is based on the Geneva Conventions of 1949.

These crimes are defined as serious violations of humanitarian laws — generally violations against civilians — during a conflict.

"Intentional targeting of civilians and civilian objects without a military necessary reason to do so is a war crime, period," David Crane, an American international law expert and the founding chief prosecutor of the United Nations' Special Court for Sierra Leone, told the Associated Press news agency. "And that's a standard that both sides are held to under international law."

The legal concept of "war crime" is separate from the concepts of "crimes against humanity" or "genocide." While war crimes are restricted to conflicts that occur domestically or between two states, both of the latter can be committed during times of peace too.

 

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Are attacks on civilians always considered war crimes?

In short, no.

"The laws of war do not always protect civilians from death," Mark Kersten of the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy at the University of Toronto told DW in 2022. "Not every civilian death is necessarily illegal." Kersten in the DW interview had described under which conditions and rules of law the killing of civilians would constitute a war crime in the context of the Ukraine war.

The classification of a military act during conflict as a war crime depends on whether the act was justified. So the bombing of a school or residential building may not be considered a war crime if it was deemed militarily necessary.

The difficulty of making this distinction from afar has already arisen in the current conflict: One of the most densely populated areas of the world, Gaza is so crowded that most experts say it is impossible to bomb it without killing some of the 2.2 million civilians who live there. In such circumstances, determining the intended target of an attack is key to determining whether a war crime occurred.

 

Are war crimes being committed in Israel-Hamas conflict? – DW – 10/15/2023

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4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

"Ukraine wasn't talking about joining NATO". 

Not a lie, only the true and only reality: anyone living next door to this kind of a neighbor wouldn't be in their right mind to not join it. Anyone with a grain of sanity can see that in the plain view, unfolding.

People have the right to safety and security, protection from aggression and intimidation. Independent people cannot be dictated by criminal psychos what they can and cannot do.

Criminal psychos do not get to draw lines and make rules. Their place is in high security prison cells. That's what happens in the normal world that yours is not, quite obviously. According to what you're saying, only the diagnosis.

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19 minutes ago, myata said:

Not a lie, only the true and only reality: anyone living next door to this kind of a neighbor wouldn't be in their right mind to not join it. Anyone with a grain of sanity can see that in the plain view, unfolding.

Regardless of what you think you just said, you admitted that Russia had cause to make war on Ukraine.

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People have the right to safety and security, protection from aggression and intimidation. Independent people cannot be dictated by criminal psychos what they can and cannot do.

And to that end, Russians have the right to not want NATO on their border.

Do you think that Zelenski is less of a psycho than Putin? How so? He's almost entirely responsible for this war...

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Criminal psychos do not get to draw lines and make rules.

Biden and Trudeau would beg to differ.

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Their place is in high security prison cells.

The FBI won't go after Dems. Good luck on that.

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That's what happens in the normal world that yours is not, quite obviously. According to what you're saying, only the diagnosis.

Listen to yourself... You spent months trying to pretend that this war is only about Putin being a psycho, now you're questioning my relationship with reality ?

FYI I signed up to fight Russians to the death as a lad. We regarded sailors on the Sovremennyi, Kirov, Kresga 1, 2 and 3 as our mortal enemies.  I'm not 'conditioned' to take the Russians' side, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that they weren't provoked either. It's actually important to understand your enemy and to know what's motivating them. 

If I was sitting in Putin's chair, Ukraine would be under siege right now. 

If Canada did to the US what Ukraine did to Russia, Ottawa wouldn't last a day. Not one day. Book it. If we let one Chinese tank on our soil we will cease to exist as a free country before that tank can drive two miles. 

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We saw Biden under pills talks to americans and others tonight. He wants to have money for Israel and Ukraine but he hopes that half of it will return in any way to his bank account but most of it will be stolen by banks. I don't take into account what ever he says, he couldn't stand up on his feet drug by the cia.

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Insanity of the extreme left equals that of the right. Visible and obvious, right here. Be careful: nothing in history and evolution is guaranteed, ever. Three generations back free peoples made the right, obvious choice: to stand up to a horrific, inhuman evil. You can change that by giving them your ear and your mind, instead of using your own values and reason. Easily, as a snap of the fingers.

Hamas: "very smart"

Putin: "genius"

Jong Un: "very honorable"

Biden: "under pills bank account"

They are the same: identical twins. Just happen to look in the opposite directions.

 

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21 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Cutting Gaza off food, water and power virtually starving a nation.

Killing of civilians by massive aerial bombardment so far 3500 civilians over a thousand of whom are childreb have been killed by Israeli attacks.

Do you support all these.

How do you target people down in tunnels a mile below the ground? 

You turn off the water and electricity so that they need to run generators for their ventilation and pumps. Eventually their batteries run out. 

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On 10/24/2023 at 12:15 PM, CdnFox said:

Because outside of your clouded brain he hasn't committed a crime.

Netenyahu just killed 3,000 children in Gaza and Trudeau and Poilievre are dying to go to Israel to shake his hand, just to give you a taste of the guy you're going to vote for
 
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On 10/24/2023 at 9:59 AM, Gaétan said:

How come the international court won't issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, he has committed hundreds of war crimes by bombing Gaza. It's always a double standard, NATO allies are still protected, it's a puppet court.

Because Israeli regime has powerful lobbyists. They will lose their jobs even if they suggest anything close to what you are suggesting. The people of Gaza have no one. They are caught between Hamas terrorists and Israeli army.

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On 10/20/2023 at 6:30 PM, CdnFox said:

Well they do have nukes so they should be fine :)

So you are now suggesting that murder of 7000 Palestinians some 4000 of them children is not enough and they should nuke the people of Gaza and kill two and a half million?. Fortunately this option is out for Israel as Gaza is too close and hundreds of thousands of Israelis died too if not from the bomb but from resulting radiation.

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2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

So you are now suggesting that murder of 7000 Palestinians some 4000 of them children is not enough and they should nuke the people of Gaza and kill two and a half million?. Fortunately this option is out for Israel as Gaza is too close and hundreds of thousands of Israelis died too if not from the bomb but from resulting radiation.

Not a single murder has occurred in gaza.  Sorry kiddo - civillian casualties in a war are not murder unless they're directly targeted for that purpose.

You know - like citizens of gaza did against israeli civilians and children.

So right off the bat you show yourself to be dishonest and stunningly bias about the situation.

And if you're take away from what i said was that i was advocating nuking anyone then you're even dumber than the palestiians. Which is impresasive.

 

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2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

War crimes, crimes against humanity to say few.

 

Perhaps you can be more specific other than saying crimes against humanity which ones give examples, the video does nothing for your augment except invoke emotions, which i think is the majority of your case... 

I already explained to you several times, If Hamas uses any of these sites for what ever reasons then they can be classified as military targets, any civilian deaths are collateral damage.  Unless you can provide proof that they were intentional targeted with the sole goal to kill civilians then it is not a war crime...

Your going to run out of tears before this is over, thats what Hamas is expecting you to do... they want your support so they can continue with their terrorist ways...and so far they are winning on the propaganda side... as more people and countries side with Palestine and Hamas...

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Hamas forces civilians to stay in the line of fire because the Palestinian casualties are awesome from their POV. 

You confirmed what I have been saying. Palestinian people are the victims here. Israeli people were the victims' of Hamas Palestinian people are the victims of both Hamas and Israelis. Who is more victim here?

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9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You confirmed what I have been saying. Palestinian people are the victims here. Israeli people were the victims' of Hamas Palestinian people are the victims of both Hamas and Israelis. Who is more victim here?

Palestinian people are ONLY the victim of hamas - and seeing as they're responsible for hamas they're really the victims of their own actons.   unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

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