Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Women raped, children beheaded in Hamas attack ....... True or false?

There's tons of evidence and even Hamas doesn't deny it.

WTF is your problem anyway?

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

24 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There's tons of evidence and even Hamas doesn't deny it.

WTF is your problem anyway?

 

WTF is your problem LYING so openly.

Hamas HAS INDEED denied the allegations of rape and beheadings. No such evidence ever surfaced though they may be true but the only source is the Israeli soldiers.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Mate, you copied and pasted an entire article from the NP. Did you obtain permission from them to do that? Selected quotes are OK as long as you give a link for people to see the rest at the original site. That’s how it works in Internetland. This forum provides tools for quotation to make it unambiguous. Let me show you how they work:

OK. I deleted the article in question.

I usually put quote and unquote around an article or quotation marks and then give the link where it came from.

How do you use the quote function here?  Where do you find that?  Is there a rule that says I have to use some quote function?  As long as I put quotations marks around it and give the source, shouldn't that be ok?

Edited October 21, 2023 by blackbird

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The Islamic republic backed terrorist organization, Hezbollah is reportedly getting ready to open a second front. Not sure if they have the balls but if they do, this would be another hell opening up on Israel. That said, they are all talk otherwise those subhuman mullahs ib Iran must go to Gaza and be sent to hell by Israeli soldiers.

If they even attempt that, it is a sure way to draw the Americans in.

[blackbird]

36 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

WTF is your problem LYING so openly.

Hamas HAS INDEED denied the allegations of rape and beheadings. No such evidence ever surfaced though they may be true but the only source is the Israeli soldiers.

The fact Hamas murdered people and did horrible things to them has been on the news steadily for weeks.  They have had the relatives of the murdered and the relatives of the people taken hostage interviewed on the news?  Why do you even question it?

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's nice that you've given up all pretense of not being on the terrorists side  

I think it's more a case of stripping away the pretense that Israel has the right to defend itself when its really the right to continue colonizing, occupying and dispossessing Palestinians of their rights, land and legitimate grievances that's being granted.

The world is only becoming more woke to colonialism not less.  You guys and Israel have been on the wrong side of history since 1948.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The fact Hamas murdered people and did horrible things to them has been on the news steadily for weeks.  They have had the relatives of the murdered and the relatives of the people taken hostage interviewed on the news?  Why do you even question it?

Hamas has killed thousands including hundreds of kids and snatched five thousand Palestinians since Oct 7 for simply being Palestinian apparently.

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Since October 7, Israel has arrested 4,000 labourers from Gaza and more than 1,000 people in the occupied West Bank, Palestinian officials say.

‘Dangerous’ prison conditions

...“Prisoners are subjected to starvation and thirst; they are prevented from accessing their medicine, specifically for those suffering from chronic illnesses that require regular medication,” he said, adding that matters became worse “when the prison administration cut off water and electricity”.

“Many of the prisoners have had their limbs, hands and legs broken … degrading and insulting expressions, insults, cursing, tying them with handcuffs to the back and tightening them at the end to the point of causing severe pain … naked, humiliating and group search of the prisoners,” he said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/21/number-of-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-doubles-to-10000-in-two-weeks

Sounds as bad or worse than being stuffed down a tunnel under Gaza.

Army guy sure hit the nail on the head when he pointed out how much hatred these people have for one another.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hamas has killed thousands including hundreds of kids and snatched five thousand Palestinians since Oct 7 for simply being Palestinian apparently.

This sentence sounds mixed up.  

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The world is only becoming more woke to colonialism not less.  You guys and Israel have been on the wrong side of history since 1948.

 You don't appear to know any history of the world.   The whole world was settled by people migrating and conquering a different area or simply moving to uninhabited new areas.

As far as Israel is concerned, that area has been fought over and controlled by different groups or powers more than any other place on earth.  

I would suggest you read something about it before commenting.  You obviously don't know anything about to speak of.

Try doing a search of "history of Palestine" and see the article on Wikipedia.

Were you even aware that Israel and Palestinians were given certain areas of land in the early part of the 20th century by Britain which had control over the area after WW1?  Then later it was recognized by the League of Nations and later recognized by the United Nations.  So it is as much a legitimate nation as any other country in the world.  The fact is Muslim countries and Islam Republics never recognized Israel's right to exist because they want it to be an Islamic republic.

Edited October 21, 2023 by blackbird

[Nexii]

18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

To suggest that Israel has not suffered enough Death to see it's way to peace is, stupid, for the lack of a better word...based on what facts i have to ask...Israel has known very few peaceful days since it's inception, they have been at a state of war  if not with terrorist then Arab states...Hard to have peace with someone that has vowed to kill all Jews were ever they may be...

It's the reality of every war. No country/people fight to the last person. And yes, the casualities have been relatively low in most of their wars to date. At least compared to the amount that would die invading Gaza. It wouldn't be hundreds or thousands like previous wars, it'd be tens of thousands. I don't think they have the stomach for that. But I'm also unsure where this war is going. I don't think Israel is strong enough to achieve their objectives, and Western support is mixed. 

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I think it's more a case of stripping away the pretense that Israel has the right to defend itself when its really the right to continue colonizing, occupying and dispossessing Palestinians of their rights, land and legitimate grievances that's being granted.

 

Well that would be more evidence that you're not very good at thinking'

Israel does indeed have a right to defend itself, and the fact that you prefer the terrorists doesn't change that.

THe right to slaughter innocent people including canadians and babies is not a "legitimate greivance' as you would suggest.

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The world is only becoming more woke to colonialism not less.  You guys and Israel have been on the wrong side of history since 1948.

Sorry kiddo - not accurate. If anything this attack showed that "colonail" is just an excuse for terrorism, not a real thing. And your friends over there are going to pay a hefty price for it.  I think those who like the word "colonail" are going to have to start being a lot more careful about it's use, it's become code for "irrational woke leftist who's probably violent'.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This sentence sounds mixed up.

I'm sure you get it.

 

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You don't appear to know any history of the world.   The whole world was settled by people migrating and conquering a different area or simply moving to uninhabited new areas.

You appear to be as utterly oblivious to how much pain and dysfunction this causes as you are enthusiastic about using it as an excuse to do nothing about it.

It's a deadly dangerous attitude that actually legitimizes things like Russia's invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

I can't believe you attribute you morality and ethics to Christianity. You must mean to the Inquisition.

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm sure you get it.

 

You appear to be as utterly oblivious to how much pain and dysfunction this causes as you are enthusiastic about using it as an excuse to do nothing about it.

It's a deadly dangerous attitude that actually legitimizes things like Russia's invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

I can't believe you attribute you morality and ethics to Christianity. You must mean to the Inquisition.

You are not making any sense.  I was referring to your lack of knowledge of history.  You made meaningless generalizations so nobody can know what you are talking about exactly.

So no, I don't understand what your point is.

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

The fact Hamas murdered people and did horrible things to them has been on the news steadily for weeks.  They have had the relatives of the murdered and the relatives of the people taken hostage interviewed on the news?  Why do you even question it?

I don't question Hamas bastards murdered women and children and yes there are plenty of evidence of all those atrocities. What I questioned was the rapes and beheading of children and babies the only evidence for which is what the Israeli soldiers told one reporter and spread like hellfire all over the world. I am not putting the rapes beyond them but I am saying there is no proof and the families you say are the witnesses were not there when it happened. I absolutely do not believe beheading of chidden/ Hamas had nothing to gain for that except world condemnation.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

don't question Hamas bastards murdered women and children and yes there are plenty of evidence of all those atrocities. What I questioned was the rapes and beheading of children and babies

Then you're a pretty sick puppy.

You are literally saying that somehow their crimes might be LESS henious.  "sure they're bad - but are they REALLY all THAT bad"?  that's what you're asking.

These people need to be burned from the face of the earth, and their supporters arn't much better apparently

[CITIZEN_2015]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Then you're a pretty sick puppy.

You are literally saying that somehow their crimes might be LESS henious.  "sure they're bad - but are they REALLY all THAT bad"?  that's what you're asking.

These people need to be burned from the face of the earth, and their supporters arn't much better apparently

No, murderer fascists like yourself should be burned in hell for spreading hatred.

I said there is no evidence they beheaded babies as it is alleged. They do deserve to be punished by death for commixing murders against Israeli civilians and I have said it many times before. But pigs like you who control the media and the world leaders do not allow slightest doubt or criticism of Israeli actions resulting in thousands of innocents to die including children and babies,

You are such an extreme and hateful person that want to burn people alive without proper procedures/ You are sick, sick, sick and hateful. Damn you and your kind.

Yoi stay home and in your mind burn people to death this Saturday night and I will get ready to go out and have fun with beautiful young ladies. Bye.

Edited October 22, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No, murderer fascists like yourself should be burned in hell for spreading hatred.

Sounds exactly like what a terrorist would say.

 

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You are such an extreme and hateful person

You want to excuse killing babies. I say it's bad.  but in your mind that makes me the hateful one.

Riiiiiiiighhhtttt.

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Yoi stay home and in your mind burn people to death this Saturday night and I will get ready to go out and have fun with beautiful young ladies. Bye.

Well in your case that would mean inflating them first   Or giving them your credit card number

When you're actually popular the ladies come over to see you   And no leak kits or pimps are involved   Maybe when you're older.....

[blackbird]

In allowing these anti-Israel rallies, Canada is out of step with Germany and France, which are forbidding them.  Such rallies will just create more domestic problems such as antisemitism.  One of the Canadian  government's problems seems to be they are trying to be all things to all people regardless of what it entails.  They seem to be trying to agree with everyone or appease everyone and end up just satisfying nobody completely.  They create new problems and allow hostilities to fester and grow in society.  The world persecuted and discriminated against the Jews for 1,500 years.  Now governments are struggling to keep the lid on it and having to deal with crimes of hate.  That is a consequence of failing to deal with it and allowing it to spread.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

In allowing these anti-Israel rallies, Canada is out of step with Germany and France, which are forbidding them.  Such rallies will just create more domestic problems such as antisemitism.  One of the Canadian  government's problems seems to be they are trying to be all things to all people regardless of what it entails.  They seem to be trying to agree with everyone or appease everyone and end up just satisfying nobody completely.  They create new problems and allow hostilities to fester and grow in society.  The world persecuted and discriminated against the Jews for 1,500 years.  Now governments are struggling to keep the lid on it and having to deal with crimes of hate.  That is a consequence of failing to deal with it and allowing it to spread.

Sure. Free speech is problematic.  If we controlled what people were able to say or think then it would be easier.

And we all know if things were reversed the left would be screaming for it to be shut down now. And anyone who said differenet immediately fired from whatever job they have.

But we're NOT the left.  We DON"T believe people should be silenced just becasue we disagree. That's what the terrorists believe in, what the left wingers believe in , not what right of center and right wing thinkers believe in.

Much as it hurts - as long as they're not breaking the law or advocating for crimes then leave them alone.  Let them expose themselves - sunlight has a way of cleansing things.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

You are not making any sense.  I was referring to your lack of knowledge of history.  You made meaningless generalizations so nobody can know what you are talking about exactly.

So no, I don't understand what your point is.

It was in plain enough English but if you need to go over it word word for feel free to point out out precisely what you don't understand.

What meaningless generalities? Israel has killed thousands since Oct 7 including hundreds of kids. They have thrown some 5000 Palestinians into prison since Oct 7. For what purpose? To hold as hostages perhaps?

I'm quite we will aware of the history of colonization and I'm quite familiar with how lasting the damage of colonization, especially when it's done brutally, can be.

You seem to think the brutality of it is an inconsequential nothing burger. You're particularly oblivious to the fact this is happening now in the present. Its not ancient history.

So what is it that prevents you to understand any on this? Here's a clue, it's your amoral unethical treatment of the issue. Its utterly disgraceful.

That's my point

Edited October 22, 2023 by eyeball

[Moonlight Graham]

If you support Hamas I want to see who you are.  Out yourself in public please so I can use my free speech to call you a piece of crap.

Hamas and Palestine are different things.  But some protestors in Canada are on video protesting against the existence of Israel ("From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free").  Free speech anyways.

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It was in plain enough English but if you need to go over it word word for feel free to point out out precisely what you don't understand.

What meaningless generalities? Israel has killed thousands since Oct 7 including hundreds of kids. They have thrown some 5000 Palestinians into prison since Oct 7. For what purpose? To hold as hostages perhaps?

What are your sources for these numbers?  The only sources for the civilian casualties I've heard in the MSM is from the Palestinian Health Ministry, which is controlled by Hamas.

[eyeball]

48 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

What are your sources for these numbers?  The only sources for the civilian casualties I've heard in the MSM is from the Palestinian Health Ministry, which is controlled by Hamas.

Everyone knows the MSM is controlled by the PMO not Hamas.  In any case the MSM seems to have no issue reporting these numbers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-casualties-health/at-least-4137-palestinians-killed-in-israeli-strikes-since-oct-7-health-ministry-idINS8N3B9072Here's a link to a story about the doubling of the number of Palestinians under Israeli arrest since Oct 7.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/21/number-of-palestinian-prisoners-in-israel-doubles-to-10000-in-two-weeks

Does Israel have any idea how many civilians they've killed since Oct 7th?

Edited October 22, 2023 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Does Israel have any idea how many civilians they've killed since Oct 7th?

I'm sure they'll get a better idea once they launch the ground war and can see for themselves.  If the supposed attack on the hospital is any example, based on the hamas numbers so far i'd say about 30. 

 

 

[OftenWrong]

18 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are sick and sick and sick, that is all.

You nailed it. One sick puppy

[blackbird]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Hamas has killed thousands including hundreds of kids and snatched five thousand Palestinians since Oct 7 for simply being Palestinian apparently.

The reason I thought this sentence is confusing it says you blame Hamas for attacking Palestinians.  I have never heard that on the news.  I assumed you meant to say Israel attacked Palestinians, not Hamas.

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

What meaningless generalities? Israel has killed thousands since Oct 7 including hundreds of kids. They have thrown some 5000 Palestinians into prison since Oct 7. For what purpose? To hold as hostages perhaps?

The fact is Hamas started a war against Israel by their murder of over 1,300 people on Oct. 7th and their taking of over 200 hostages.

It is a simple principle that any nation has the right to defend itself.

The source of the attack was Hamas and where is Hamas?   They are a terrorist organization that hides among the population in the Gaza strip.  They use the civilian populations as human shields, men, women and children.

Do you seriously think Israel should not attack Hamas because they hide themselves among the general population?  Do you think Israel should not defend themselves because Hamas is hiding among the people?  Do you think the Israelis should just do nothing and wait for the next terrorist attack against Israeli civilians?  Do you think Israel has no right to defend themselves?

What would you do if you were a leader in Israel?

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

'm quite we will aware of the history of colonization and I'm quite familiar with how lasting the damage of colonization, especially when it's done brutally, can be.

You like to throw around one of your favourite woke words, "colonization".  You probably believe all non-natives in Canada are evil colonizers.

I suggested you study some history, but you refused to do so.  You cling to the Palestinian claim that Israel illegally took control of the land of Israel/Palestine.  If you think Israelis have no right to be in Israel and defend themselves, what give you the right to be Canada?  Canada was colonized by non-natives long ago and you are a descendant of colonizers.  What are you doing here?  Are you a hypocrite in condemning Israel for existing when you are living in Canada and you are not a native?  What is the difference?

It is impossible to have a reasonable conversation with someone like you who is completely brainwashed with the antisemitic, anti-Israel lines and just keep repeating the Muslim-Palestinian talking points.  Israel bad, Palestinian good.

You are wrong about Israel's right to the land.  As I said many times, the British, who had control of the land after WW1, mandated the land to Israel and some areas for Palestinians to live in.  This was later approved of by the League of Nations and later by the United Nations.  What is it you don't understand about this?  

Hamas would have known that Israel would take action against them by bombing all of their bases, and operating centres in the Gaza among the civilians.  Hamas knew this but they simply don't care about the civilians.  They prove it over and over.  They have no humanity and are nothing but wild animals.

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

You seem to think the brutality of it is an inconsequential nothing burger. You're particularly oblivious to the fact this is happening now in the present. Its not ancient history.

No, I never said anything about the brutality of either side being a "inconsequential nothing burger".

That is you throwing that in there as a kind of smear.

Most people know war is brutal and civilians do suffer, perhaps more than anyone else.

But the fact is Israel has no option but to attack Hamas where they are, in the Gaza strip.

Hamas knows this and deliberately operates that way to make Israel look like the evil side.

How else on earth is Israel going to defend itself?  You still have not explained that, but continue to push the false idea that Israel has no right to even be there.  You reveal yourself as an unreasonable person with no humanity.  You are supporting the Muslim, Islamic world which are also 100% opposed to the existence of Israel.  You swallowed their propaganda completely.  You are out of step with the democratic western countries who all believe Israel has a right to exist on their land.

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by blackbird