Hamas Attacks Israel

[August1991]

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm sure I must have asked people who've said the same thing over the years to let me know how that works out.

So how is that working out btw?

Eyeball,

Good question. I disagree. Strongly. 

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yup. Do you figure Hamas can be negotiated with? I don't.

Your solution is to wipe the Palestinians out, Mr guy who is so concerned about the loss of life in Ukraine as the Russians repeatedly bomb civilians? Spare me the hypocritical BS.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm sure I must have asked people who've said the same thing over the years to let me know how that works out.

So how is that working out btw?

Uhhh - they haven't tried it yet.

Interesting ALLEDGED email from CBC - we'll see if they respond to questions about this:

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Your solution is to wipe the Palestinians out, Mr guy who is so concerned about the loss of life in Ukraine as the Russians repeatedly bomb civilians? Spare me the hypocritical BS.

Everyone has the right to self defense. Hamas had a choice to live peaceably with the neighbours and work towards co existance. They chose something else.

I'm happy to live peacefully with my neighbour but if he's in my house threatening the wife and kids he's probably going to get shot.

[athos]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Russians are killing Ukrainians but yes they are both Slavs.  If you want to go that high level then both Arabs and Israelis are Semitics too.

1. Not really. Being Ukrainian is only a geographical category (Ukraine in Russian means edge of Russia) There is no Ukrainian cultural and national identity. There is only Russian language with Ukrainian dialect.

2. More than 90% today Israelis are not Semites(Genetic research ). On the other hand more than 90% Arabs are Semites.

2. So isn't killing Palestinians (Arabs) anti-Semitism?

?

Edited October 9, 2023 by athos

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, athos said:

2. So isn't killing Palestinians (Arabs) anti-Semitism?

No. not really.  In this case it's more like pest control   

[CdnFox]

Looks like the CBC iS actually covering for hamas and making sure their language doesn't hurt their political cause. How 'progressive'. 

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/leaked-emails-show-canadian-media-exec-demanding-journalists-avoid-using-term-terrorist-in-hamas-coverage/

 

“Do not refer to militants, soldiers, or anyone else as ‘terrorists,'” George Achi, the Director of Journalistic Standards with CBC News, told employees in an email sent midday Saturday. “The notion of terrorism remains highly politicized and is part of the story. Even when quoting/clipping a government or a source referring to fighters as ‘terrorists,’ we should add context to ensure the audience understands this opinion, not fact,” Achi explained in a note first obtained by the American organization StopAntisemtism.

[athos]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No. not really.  In this case it's more like pest control   

Whatever

[athos]

Do they stand a chance?

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by athos

[Aristides]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Everyone has the right to self defense. Hamas had a choice to live peaceably with the neighbours and work towards co existance. They chose something else.

I'm happy to live peacefully with my neighbour but if he's in my house threatening the wife and kids he's probably going to get shot.

I'm not talking about Hamas, the sooner they are gone the better. There are two million others living there. 

[ironstone]

22 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If Israel retaliates brutally in which many defenseless innocent civilians mainly women and children are killed then Israel would prove one more time they are as bad as Hamas.

Look I hate Hamas and dislike Arabs in general but I am very much against brutal attack and murder of women and children. People have no control on where they are born. If you were born in Palestine, then you would have been one of those defenseless people.

RESTRAINT instead of anger.

What restraint is Hamas showing towards Israelis?

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, August1991 said:

I strongly 

Disagree.

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Years ago, I traveled from Jordan to Israel. I crossed the border by bus.

While in Jordan, I hitch-hiked.  Men picked me up. The conversation eventually turned to: "They took our land."

While in Israel, I also hitch-hiked. Women and and men picked me up.  The conversation eventually turned to: "They want to push us into the sea."

And what's that got to do with an effective response to this attack?

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm sure I must have asked people who've said the same thing over the years to let me know how that works out.

So how is that working out btw?

Not good. The people intent on self segregation are supported by twits who also want this segregation to continue.

Stupid people who have no concern for the lives of their own children.

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

No it isn’t. 

Sure it is. Read some history.

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

Your solution is to wipe the Palestinians out, Mr guy who is so concerned about the loss of life in Ukraine as the Russians repeatedly bomb civilians? Spare me the hypocritical BS.

Different circumstances. I don't remember the separatists in eastern Ukraine shooting missiles at Kiev or any western town. The Russians did AFTER the Ukraine attacked.

I'm confident you will either fail to understand this stark difference, or ignore it.

[Army Guy]

This war is going to get bloody, many Palestinians are going to die, as the terrorist hides among the population like scumbags they are. Israel will continue to be heavy handed with arty, and air strikes against what they declare military targets...Palestinians civilians will be collateral damage, and like any war civilians will pay the highest price of any side...This violence's will continue until Palestinians throw the terrorist out.. or Israel destroy all of them... the only thing that will stop this now is the US....

The US is already moving military assets into the area, in case things get out of hand...as even they see this expanding into a out right war with Lebanon, Gaza, and perhaps Iran...

As the terrorist are being eliminated in Israel, and the last terrorist strong holds are taken back, Israel has already decided they will launch ground ops into GAZA and Lebanon...where it goes from there is anyone guess...

But i would not count out hitting Iran, atleast by air... the linch pin here is what is the rest of the middle east countries going to do, sit back and watch, or pick a side...and if this Happens the US has already picked their side...

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Army Guy

[Aristides]

49 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Sure it is. Read some history.

That still is no reason to invade a sovereign country and bomb the crap out of its civilians. You seem fine with the dissolution  of Czechoslovakia and all the countries of the former Austro Hungarian Empire going their way but see no problem with Putin destroying Ukraine to resurrect the Russian Empire. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

What restraint is Hamas showing towards Israelis?

None and if Israelis also show no restraint and kill innocent women and children then they show one more time that they are as bad as Hamas. Kill all the Hamas terrorists all tight for sure has my full support but spare innocent civilians many women and children among them. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

I'm not talking about Hamas, the sooner they are gone the better. There are two million others living there. 

Who voted them in.

Sorry - but the 2 million ARE hamas.

If the people utterly rejected them, when you don't have them dancing in the streets over every isreali death, when they're not screaming about how awesome their god is for killing someone, then it would be different.  But it isn't.

And that's the difference. As these terrorists (sorry cbc) and their supporters and allies get killed, i won't be happy. I won't be saying how great god is for making this happen, etc.

I'll just be looking at it as a necessary thing that has to be done. LIke putting down a dog that has rabies - there's nothing else you can do and you may be sad about it but that should not cause a moment's hesitation on the trigger. It just needs to be done and the sooner it's over with the better.

 

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

None and if Israelis also show no restraint and kill innocent women and children then they show one more time that they are as bad as Hamas.

Sometimes thats the message you need to send. 

To paraphrase from a famous movie - sometimes you have to show them what you're prepared to do.  They kidnap 1 of your people, you kidnap 10 of theirs.  They fire a rocket - you drop 10 bombs.  They kill one of your women or children, you burn their homes to the ground and watch their survivors starve in the aftermath. THen they think twice.

Better yet just wipe out the infestaton either literally or by casting them out into the world as homeless refugess and be done with it.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth doesn't work. It leaves everyone blind and toothless.  But - shooting the other bastard in the head when he pokes your eye generally resolves the issue.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

That still is no reason to invade a sovereign country and bomb the crap out of its civilians. You seem fine with the dissolution  of Czechoslovakia and all the countries of the former Austro Hungarian Empire going their way but see no problem with Putin destroying Ukraine to resurrect the Russian Empire. 

Resurrect the Russian Empire? Good lord but you're a panicky little twerp. Go hide under a table and take your insane accusations with you.

[Aristides]

49 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Resurrect the Russian Empire? Good lord but you're a panicky little twerp. Go hide under a table and take your insane accusations with you.

You are an enabling fool. Keep watching RT.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

None and if Israelis also show no restraint and kill innocent women and children then they show one more time that they are as bad as Hamas. Kill all the Hamas terrorists all tight for sure has my full support but spare innocent civilians many women and children among them. 

This is not going to happen, GAZA is to small a space that is over filled with Palestinians, it is the civilians who are going to pay the highest toll in this conflict, that is fact.

That being said it is them the population who put these terrorist in charge, so they bear some of the responsibility for their governments actions...Besides Israel has never had a majority of western support, most blame Israel for the plight of the Palestinians, Who are professional victims. Only this time they have gone to far, and Israel will not stop until they are satisfied...

I don't think they are too concerned with western with what westerners think at the moment, or in the near future...i would say be prepared to be shocked at the death and destruction this conflict is going to bring...  

[Guest]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

but spare innocent civilians many women and children among them. 

You're fighting Hamas. These are savages.

They will use innocents as human shields. Collateral damage is inevitable.

We're talking a group that was parading the dead corpses of women, and taking the bodies, probably for rape. Taking children, and doing the same.

Your fate as a woman or child was murder, or likely gang rape.

These people don't deserve gentle gloves. They deserve the full military force. Minimize collateral, but one must be punished for such actions.

 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, athos said:

Do they stand a chance?

 

I think You underestimate the Israelis army and it's capacity to wage war, i would like to hear your speaker in the above video speak after ground operations get going in Gaza, and up in the north with Lebanon, to see if his opinion changes...This is not the first or the last time Israel has faced much larger threats and been victorious i guess your speaker forgot about those times....This time both terrorist parties have kicked the hornets nest over and they will pay a steep price for that action.