Waffen SS Veteran Gets Standing Ovation In House Of Commons

[myata]

46 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So tell me...has Powel been "brought to justice" yet?

It was said that folks like you normalize Hitler and his like. That changes nothing. There's no equivalence and it doesn't excuse brutal and unprovoked crimes of the thugs.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, PIK said:

What's ruining everything is people losing their poop over stuff that happened 80 yrs ago and also having no understanding of went on back then.  It's getting frigging tiresome.

People have been spraying this poop all over one another for just about as long. You're just getting tired of it now?

I guess it's to be expected that the process of getting woke to stuff is far slower with conservatives.

[blackbird]

Trudeau, the Prime Minister's Office, and his security are entirely responsible for who gets into Parliament and who is invited into Parliament.  This guy obviously should have been screened by security but apparently was not. Trudeau must accept responsibility for this.  I am not holding my breath.

[blackbird]

16 hours ago, West said:

f Zelinskyy is hanging out with the nazis, why are we sending him aid? 

Zelinskyy is not "hanging out with the Nazis".  This Nazi brought into Parliament has nothing to do with Zelinskyy.

[blackbird]

On 9/23/2023 at 7:41 PM, TreeBeard said:

 Do you always shit on 98 year old war veterans?

The guy was part of a Nazi group that murdered thousands of people.

[SpankyMcFarland]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.

Winston Churchill

Easy for a Brit to say. For a Ukrainian the choice was fighting for tyrant A in your country right now or tyrant B who might be better. I’d go for B myself. 

[Nationalist]

42 minutes ago, myata said:

It was said that folks like you normalize Hitler and his like. That changes nothing. There's no equivalence and it doesn't excuse brutal and unprovoked crimes of the thugs.

I normalize Hitler? Man you're really full o' shit...aren't ya.

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 hours ago, myata said:

Stalin's gulags were probably more massive than Nazi's. He eliminated his countrymen and of those he occupied in countless droves. A true irony (and travesty) of history is that one of the thugs ended up on the winning side. And we're still trying to sort out the consequences.

How on earth do we expect people at the time in Ukraine who suffered through years of tyranny under Stalin to see the greater evil of Hitler? Obviously, the guy shouldn’t have been allowed in the HoC but let’s not go over the top here. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, myata said:

And if Stalin, Putin any other murderous, brutal tyrant dictator, of the bunch? Western "pragmatism" may be creating future problems faster than fixing the immediate ones.

The Brits are currently great friends of many mass murderers, including the despot butchering Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh. He has lovely houses in London. 

[QuebecOverCanada]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Easy for a Brit to say. For a Ukrainian the choice was fighting for tyrant A in your country right now or tyrant B who might be better. I’d go for B myself. 

Many in France said the same as to why they sympathized with Hitler and collaborated with the Nazis.

They said that since France had a Socialist government (Front Populaire), that they were legitimate in their collaboration with the Nazis. This is extremely dubious in the case of France.

For Ukraine, Soviets caused Holodomor, which caused millions of dead Ukrainians.

[eyeball]

The respectability that is provided so many butchers, dictators and monsters in our world is probably our global civilization's, such as it is, greatest Achilles Heel. I'd say the effects and consequences are on par with climate change and amongst the greatest impediments to action.

We're just about completely boxed in.

[SpankyMcFarland]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The respectability that is provided so many butchers, dictators and monsters in our world is probably our global civilization's, such as it is, greatest Achilles Heel. I'd say the effects and consequences are on par with climate change and amongst the greatest impediments to action.

We're just about completely boxed in.

One of the problems is that we keep on trying to rationalize our military decisions and portray them as purely moral ones: Napoleon was the anti-Christ, no mention of the Tsar; Kaiser, the oppressor of little Belgium but French and Russian empires good; Hitler evil, therefore Stalin not nearly as evil. We should at least be conscious of this tendency. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[Nefarious Banana]

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Easy for a Brit to say. For a Ukrainian the choice was fighting for tyrant A in your country right now or tyrant B who might be better. I’d go for B myself. 

Britain was standing alone at the time and had nearly been invaded. Finally they had someone else fighting Hitler. 

[myata]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I normalize Hitler?

Sure. Between what Putin and Hitler have done, there's no difference. Actually Hitler at least tried to pretend that he was attacked, and was honest to actually declare a war. You want to normalize a brutal dictator thug who is worse than Hitler. So what would it make you?

[myata]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Finally they had someone else fighting Hitler. 

The heartwarming partnership tale ended when they agreed to sign other people to a slavery by a brutal dictator. There were no reasons, moral or otherwise to do that. That was the red moral line but we seem like never be able to see those and barge right through. This is not to blame something that happened almost a century back. But we could have learned, and remembered. No, we're making the same mistakes all over.

[Nationalist]

44 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure. Between what Putin and Hitler have done, there's no difference. Actually Hitler at least tried to pretend that he was attacked, and was honest to actually declare a war. You want to normalize a brutal dictator thug who is worse than Hitler. So what would it make you?

No difference between Hitler and Putin. Ok...ur a dope. Sorry.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, myata said:

The heartwarming partnership tale ended when they agreed to sign other people to a slavery by a brutal dictator. There were no reasons, moral or otherwise to do that. That was the red moral line but we seem like never be able to see those and barge right through. This is not to blame something that happened almost a century back. But we could have learned, and remembered. No, we're making the same mistakes all over.

Churchill had no illusions about Stalin, after all it was he who coined the phrase "Iron Curtain" Hitler was the greater threat at the time. Much of the post war accommodation was done at the Potsdam conference when Churchill was out of office and Roosevelt was dead.  

[Aristides]

On this subject, Ordinary Men, now on Netflix gives a sobering account of what we are all capable of under the right conditions.

[myata]

17 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ok...ur a dope. Sorry.

Exactly proving the point. There's are better, "right" hitlers. Just not everybody can see it.

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

Exactly proving the point. There's are better, "right" hitlers. Just not everybody can see it.

Hitler's dead. get over it.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hitler's dead. get over it.

He still has plenty of followers. 

[myata]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hitler's dead. get over it.

Hitler was a lawless brutal thug with a bunch of thugs around him, and a country that bought into thuggish ideas out of fear and complacency. The same pattern is emerging again, if under different names, but no essential differences. Never say never again.

[Nationalist]

33 minutes ago, Aristides said:

He still has plenty of followers. 

Ya a brigade of Ukrainian soldiers I understand.

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, myata said:

Hitler was a lawless brutal thug with a bunch of thugs around him, and a country that bought into thuggish ideas out of fear and complacency. The same pattern is emerging again, if under different names, but no essential differences. Never say never again.

Fear? Naw...that's the Libbie game plan.