Why do Democrats and Republicans both support Ukraine?

[Rebound]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I know this, have traveled the world. Taipei and Tainan are gorgeous cities I recommend you visit, if you haven't already.

Point being made, is that this is how they refer to an otherwise sovereign country. It also doesn't explain the why. 

I was pointing to the double standard of caution used while dealing with China, and level of disrespect and disregard when dealing with Russia.

This was insanely preventable.

First you call Taipei a country, now you call Taiwan a city. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about here.  
 

To establish diplomatic relations with the People’s Republic of China, a nation must refuse to recognize the existence of Taiwan, Chinese Republic. So Taiwan is not legally or diplomatically recognized by the US and most nations. 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Rebound

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

NATO is DEFENSIVE and has not ATTACKED any nation UNPROVOKED by an attack.

It is defensive, but getting closer to Russia would allow the US to station some military there.

Still defensive, but highly provocative when considering that Russia or China doing so to the US, would be considered unnacceptable.

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Putin has proven them necessary for defensive purposes.

Too late, now.

Russia is in the driver's seat right now. Only way out, is to negotiate them out.

[Perspektiv]

5 minutes ago, Rebound said:

First you call Taipei a country

Some countries don't recognize Taiwan as a country. 

Am eluding to that.

8 minutes ago, Rebound said:

So Taiwan is not legally or diplomatically recognized by the US and most nations. 

Point I was making.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

It is defensive, but getting closer to Russia would allow the US to station some military there.

Still defensive, but highly provocative when considering that Russia or China doing so to the US, would be considered unnacceptable.

Too late, now.

Russia is in the driver's seat right now. Only way out, is to negotiate them out.

The US can only station military where it is invited. NATO doesn't give any member a right to base troops on another member's soil. Before the invasion, the only NATO countries bordering Russia were the Baltic states, now they have Finland as well, one of the best armed of NATO nations, backed up with an other new member with a capable military, Sweden. On top of that, most other NATO countries have upped defence spending as a result of the invasion. Putin plays lousy defence.  

Edited September 19, 2023 by Aristides

[robosmith]

11 hours ago, Deluge said:

Agreed. The US has no reason to be there other than to push the democrat narrative which is "wokeness everywhere or we kill you", which is an evil reason and should be purged from our country. 

You certainly have a vivid imagination which is completely divorced from the reality of Russia INVADING UKRAINE.

IF that is successful, we can expect much more of KLEPTOCRAT PUTIN stealing more country's' resources. ?

Edited September 19, 2023 by robosmith

[Nationalist]

On 9/16/2023 at 10:02 PM, Canadian_Cavalier said:

Because letting Putin take the land of a sovereign nation unchallenged is pure cowardice and sends a message that he can do whatever he wants. The purist isolationist policy of the pre-WWII US was immediately discarded after the bombing of Pearl Harbor because the event thereof instantly rendered it obsolete. Though as Iraq demonstrated, the US should have to have a good warrant to get involved in any conflict, but I believe this is one of them. Independent countries can make their own rules, I'm anything but a globalist, but something must be done about unjust invasions.

No actual soldiers should be sent unless Russia directly attacks a NATO country, of course.

Lol...nice of you to sacrifice the Ukrainian people for your own self gratification. Your death-cult is sickening.

[Perspektiv]

12 hours ago, Aristides said:

The US can only station military where it is invited.

That's the thing. You open the door to this, by allowing them to join.

Putin doesn't want to entertain the threat of this, and dismissing him is precisely why we are here.

When a guy like him states he will invade you, not believing is insane.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...nice of you to sacrifice the Ukrainian people for your own self gratification. Your death-cult is sickening.

Lol… nice how you insult someone without bothering to explain what your disagreement is. I guess that’s because you incorrectly assume everyone knows what you’re thinking. You’re so certain you’re right that you think everybody knows what is “right” and they only disagree with you because they have evil intent.  This is not so. 

[Deluge]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

You certainly have a vivid imagination which is completely divorced from the reality of Russia INVADING UKRAINE.

IF that is successful, we can expect much more of KLEPTOCRAT PUTIN stealing more country's' resources. ?

Russia's helping the parts of Ukraine that don't want rainbow queers ruling their lives. 

I agree with them; the homo groomers need to be put down. 

Edited September 19, 2023 by Deluge

[Nationalist]

51 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Lol… nice how you insult someone without bothering to explain what your disagreement is. I guess that’s because you incorrectly assume everyone knows what you’re thinking. You’re so certain you’re right that you think everybody knows what is “right” and they only disagree with you because they have evil intent.  This is not so. 

Oh go kick a puppy. You'll feel self-satisfied.

[Rebound]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh go kick a puppy. You'll feel self-satisfied.

Nobody has any idea what the F you’re talking about.  

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Russia's helping the parts of Ukraine that don't want rainbow queers ruling their lives. 

I agree with them; the homo groomers need to be put down. 

Homosexuality has nothing to do with the Ukraine war. 

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Homosexuality has nothing to do with the Ukraine war. 

It has everything to do with it. Homosexuality is the core of woke bullshit, and most of Ukraine wants in. The parts that don't want it, want Putin to step in. 

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Nobody has any idea what the F you’re talking about. 

LOL...denial fits you like a glove.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

That's the thing. You open the door to this, by allowing them to join.

Putin doesn't want to entertain the threat of this, and dismissing him is precisely why we are here.

Yeah, but in fairness regardless of the right or wrong of his actions   - how's that working out for him?

His military and his country's ability to project military might is crushed, and will be for quite some time.  And the ability to project power or at least to be seen to be able to is very important if you're going to have a say in the world's affairs.  We piggy back off the states but most countries need that horsepower and his is gone.

And russian gear is getting a bad rep around the world for better or worse - so it's harder to talk countries into letting you have rights and access there in exchange for military hardware which is a staple of most of the super powers.

 Not to mention the fact that if this doesn't end with russia owning ukraine, then the us is going to FLOOD that country with as many arms as they can pack in and give them as much land for listening posts and ICBM-Intercept missiles as they could want.  Even if they don't join nato they're going to be a dagger pointed at the heart of russia and a buffer and seal that prevents russia from considering or even seriously threatening a lot of the nato allies in the region.

If his goal was to eliminate the threat of western power on his border then he's got to be very very disappointed at this point.

[Perspektiv]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If his goal was to eliminate the threat of western power on his border then he's got to be very very disappointed at this point.

Yeah, he definitely had that blow up in his face, the moment Finland was admitted to NATO.

Now, people are more weary of him, thus spending as much as they can bolstering their military.

If he was trying to inflict fear, he did the opposite.

[Canadian_Cavalier]

7 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...nice of you to sacrifice the Ukrainian people for your own self gratification. Your death-cult is sickening.

Almost every Ukrainian I know wants to see themselves fight and win. Since Russia initiated the war, shouldn't they be the death cult?

[robosmith]

On 9/19/2023 at 5:17 AM, Nationalist said:

Lol...nice of you to sacrifice the Ukrainian people for your own self gratification. Your death-cult is sickening.

You must be joking. "The Ukrainian people" CHOSE to fight Russian aggression. Duh.

Do you KNOW ANYTHING about the history there? How about answering my question FOR ONCE?

[robosmith]

On 9/19/2023 at 6:39 AM, Deluge said:

Russia's helping the parts of Ukraine that don't want rainbow queers ruling their lives. 

I agree with them; the homo groomers need to be put down. 

NO EVIDENCE to believe ^this OPINION. As USUAL.

Putin TRIED and failed to take Kiev. ㊙️ That means he wanted the WHOLE COUNTRY. Duh

IF you believe Putin cares about YOUR ISSUE, more than the HUGE UKRAINIAN gas reserves off the South coast, YOU'RE DELUGINAL. 

On 9/19/2023 at 7:17 AM, Nationalist said:

Oh go kick a puppy. You'll feel self-satisfied.

^Intellectual bankruptcy capitulation. Congrats on admitting you got BUPKIS.

[robosmith]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:46 AM, Deluge said:

It has everything to do with it. Homosexuality is the core of woke bullshit, and most of Ukraine wants in. The parts that don't want it, want Putin to step in. 

Ukraine kicked Yanukovych out because he was a Putin stooge who was bribed to renege on the Western trade agreement HE PROMISED to get elected.

IOW, you KNOW NOTHING about what happened in Ukraine.

On 9/19/2023 at 7:50 AM, Nationalist said:

LOL...denial fits you like a glove.

So true. SOME of us are ON to YOUR BULLSHIT.

[robosmith]

On 9/19/2023 at 12:52 PM, Canadian_Cavalier said:

Almost every Ukrainian I know wants to see themselves fight and win. Since Russia initiated the war, shouldn't they be the death cult?

Of course THEY ARE. But that doesn't fit Gnat-man's cowardly surrender agenda. ?

[myata]

On 9/15/2023 at 5:04 PM, Freddie said:

Is it to weaken Russia?

Let's imagine a world where bullies are free to do what they like if they feel themselves stronger. Putins, Xis, Uns any kind of dictator scum just doing invading, burning and bombing to dust whatever and wherever they like. In that kind of world, to have at least some safety folks would be looking for some protection, right? But we aren't taking anybody under our protection, we are whimpering and yawning at the most obvious case before our eyes, there won't be an easier, more obvious one because can't be, logically.

So where would they turn to? And how long would it be before you're under your little umbrella looking at the host of brutal dictator thugs all around, with the resources of the world and zillions of nukes they learned to punch? Would it look like a better option to you?

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

You must be joking. "The Ukrainian people" CHOSE to fight Russian aggression. Duh.

Do you KNOW ANYTHING about the history there? How about answering my question FOR ONCE?

Do I know anything of the history there...lol...more than you unfortunately. 

[Rebound]

On 9/19/2023 at 2:17 PM, Nationalist said:

Lol...nice of you to sacrifice the Ukrainian people for your own self gratification. Your death-cult is sickening.

The Ukrainian people choose to fight. The Afghanis did not fight. 
 

If the Ukrainians all threw up their hands and surrendered, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Do I know anything of the history there...lol...more than you unfortunately. 

So why are you pretending that Yanukovych was NOT a Putin stooge and didn't double cross the Ukrainian people who voted for him?

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Rebound said:

The Ukrainian people choose to fight. The Afghanis did not fight. 
 

If the Ukrainians all threw up their hands and surrendered, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. 

That must be why the Ukraine government is trying to get all those war refugees extradited back to Ukraine. 

Must be...