Canada: Dems vs Trump

[August1991]

Could Canada become a society - political space - where some people view others as MAGA?

You know - like Dems do - the Americans who hate Trump people.

Or do we Canadians view others and get along: Catholics, English, whatever. 

[Michael Hardner]

We are subject to the same changes to the media landscape, and as such there is fertile ground for populism to take root.

 

It's not exactly the same as the US, as our culture teaches us to be loyal subjects.  

Edited September 13, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

Could Canada become a society - political space - where some people view others as MAGA?

You know - like Dems do - the Americans who hate Trump people.

Or do we Canadians view others and get along: Catholics, English, whatever. 

That's already very much a thing.

Trudeau taught us to hate each other as groups during the pandemic.  Those who didn't want to be vaccinated were labeled as 'bigots and misogynists".  Just as the maga people are labeled by the left in the states. He said they are 'wastes of space' and said a decision would have to be made as to whether these people 'would be tolerated'.

And i watched many families get ripped apart by that. Friendships ended, couples broke up - and i don't mean one or two here and there. It was a pretty common phenomenon, and most people know at least ONE case of that happening.

We became divided - we did not 'come together' to weather the storm as is our tradition.

We've already had a number of actual 'maga' instances of people being attacked or harassed for wearing maga hats or the like.

So it's not really a question.  It can happen, it is happening. In all of human history it's been easier for those seeking power to break people apart and divide them than it is to bring them all together.  We're no different.

[August1991]

On 9/13/2023 at 6:53 AM, Michael Hardner said:

We are subject to the same changes to the media landscape, and as such there is fertile ground for populism to take root.

...

Disagree.

Unlike Americans, we ordinary Canadians often choose/vote outside.  

[Michael Hardner]

24 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Unlike Americans, we ordinary Canadians often choose/vote outside.  

And yet populists are here, here in Canada.

[August1991]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And yet populists are here, here in Canada.

Michael,

Like Lévesque, I prefer a different arrangememt.

But like Trudeau père, the measure of a society is how willing a majority is to defend a minority.

I'm Canadian.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And yet populists are here, here in Canada.

"populist" doesn't mean anything. It's a weird general pejorative that the left tends to use.  A populist simply promises what is popular.  Well for god's sake - which politician exactly DOESN"T do that?   Some people say a popuist promises popular things that are of trite value or lack substance but even that seems a little bullshitty. 

And people aren't populists - so saying they're 'in  canada" is childish.

The left simply can't get by without it's dehumanizing terms.  The populists are coming! The populists are coming!!! Yeash - trudeau was a populist.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Our local frame of reference is being destroyed by social media. Newspapers are disappearing and an American point of view, with a little Anglo angle, is being imposed upon us. In Walmart all I see at the checkout are headlines about Biden, the Royal Family and the Kardashians. 

[August1991]

IMHO, America is undergoing at present an anti-Trump inversion - like Red China did.

Woke, as they say.

In Canada, this doesn't happen the same way.

  

[WestCanMan]

On 9/12/2023 at 9:55 PM, August1991 said:

Could Canada become a society - political space - where some people view others as MAGA?

You know - like Dems do - the Americans who hate Trump people.

Or do we Canadians view others and get along: Catholics, English, whatever. 

It's sad that you can look at your honest commentary and realize that what you're talking about is a political party in a western country teaching 50% of their population to hate the other 50%.

This isn't about disliking or not trusting a specific politician, or even just hating one politician, or even hating his party: they want their voters to just hate everyone who voted for the opposition.

Where are they going with this?

If your voters hate everyone who votes for the other guys, will they accept the results of an election they don't like? 

We know the average Dem voter will just believe the Dems won if they say so, regardless of any other evidence. 

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Where are they going with this?

Only the government can save the people, from themselves.

"Machiavelli"

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Only the government can save the people, from themselves.

"Machiavelli"

If only they were so kind...

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Where are they going with this?

Keep it up and it might be the same place you want your hatred with the left to take us.

If it wasn't for the absence of courage with your convictions there might not be a left today. Too late now though - you're stuck with us forever.

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If your voters hate everyone who votes for the other guys, will they accept the results of an election they don't like?

Probably not, how well is this working out for your guys?

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

If it wasn't for the absence of courage with your convictions there might not be a left today. Too late now though - you're stuck with us forever.

I thought you were just demanding you were a conservative?!?!  LOLOL Busted!

[August1991]

On 11/23/2023 at 5:25 PM, WestCanMan said:

I....

Where are they going with this?

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Dunno.

Intriguing post.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I thought you were just demanding you were a conservative?!?!

Eww. 

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Eww. 

So we're going with 'you're a real conservative' during even hours and a raving fanatic lefty justin fan on the odd ones?  

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So we're going with 'you're a real conservative' during even hours and a raving fanatic lefty justin fan on the odd ones?  

Only in your ridiculous mind.?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Only in your ridiculous mind.?

In my mind?  Dude i could never keep all your changes straight in my mind - i've started a flow chart!

[August1991]

Bump.

I think that people in Canada get along.

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

Bump.

I think that people in Canada get along.

Well sure, you can see that driving around on our roads, notwithstanding the odd enraged ding-bat.

As for Dems or Trump...apparently Trump lied about his height on his driver's licence.

[August1991]

On 12/6/2023 at 2:53 PM, eyeball said:

Well sure, you can see that driving around on our roads, notwithstanding the odd enraged ding-bat.

As for Dems or Trump...apparently Trump lied about his height on his driver's licence.

Disagree.

We French, English, Catholic whatever people - we get along.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

We French, English, Catholic whatever people - we get along.

I said I agree, Canadians generally get along.  Occasionally some have to try a little harder is all.

[August1991]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I said I agree, Canadians generally get along.  Occasionally some have to try a little harder is all.

Agree? We get along.

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Margaret Atwood - typical leftist protestant anglo - claims that she/we "survive".

I disagree,

IMHO, we Canadians - French/Catholic/whatever - we go along to get along.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 9/13/2023 at 6:53 AM, Michael Hardner said:

We are subject to the same changes to the media landscape, and as such there is fertile ground for populism to take root.

"Populism:  a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups."

Racism is different than populism.  It would be nice to have a moderate populist party in Canada...or the US.  Canadians aren't racist enough to elect the PPC, who are more racist than populist.

NDP could be called populist, but are made up of naive radicals with dumb ideas and thus won't be elected.  Except for in BC, which contains a lot of hippie treehuggers....probably because of all the trees out there.