One-way politics

[Nationalist]

20 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) Well ok but... I would put myself in such a committee and people here would brand me a leftist and say I'm too partisan.

2) I agree.

I think the answer is for us to return to what worked in the past: simplified government operations, trusted public intellectuals to debate the issues on our behalf.

Yes except...trust is EARNED and the institutions have lost all trust.

20 hours ago, Deluge said:

Thank you, Spock, but you're full of shit. 

The actual problem is human selfishness and complete disregard for our God given freedoms. The US needs a great reset to an earlier time. 1980 values would just about do it with a permanent hardline on stupid shit like the homosexual agenda. 

Minus the abundance of coke and other such drugs.

 

[Deluge]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

1. Whether your imaginary god gives you freedoms, is irrelevant absent a government which protects those freedoms with force. 

2. The fact is, you want to deny freedoms to minorities with which you disagree, and you're resorting to advocating the removal of government protections for those freedoms. Neither your preferred government nor your god is going to give them back, so according to you, freedoms depend on YOUR ADVOCACY and OPINIONS. ?

3. Fortunately you only have ONE VOTE.

1. On your knees in gratitude, heathen. 

2. You have no facts. Your "facts" are leftist talking points. ALL citizens have the same rights, period. 

3. Fortunately you (as in the democrat party) don't have ENOUGH votes. The fraud pedophile occupying the Oval Office right now is going to lose because your cheating days are OVER!

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Minus the abundance of coke and other such drugs.

True. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Deluge

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

I don't think it's really a question anymore that democracy is breaking down.

We have a majority of one party who have already dispensed with democracy--literally. They are fully on record supporting Trump's attempt to remain in power by simply pressuring Pence to unilaterally declare him the winner. 

Not only are they not offended to the core at this coup plot, as any decent American would be, they are trying to put him back in a position of power. I've disliked the GOP's authoritarian trend for a long time, but I NEVER thought in my lifetime I'd see an American president attempt to seize power through extralegal means. And I certainly didn't think it would happen without a stern rebuke from self-proclaimed patriots.

The truth is that they are not patriots. They have neither respect nor love for the America of the founding fathers. They crave only power and dominance and will try to "win" at any cost. Who needs a democracy when you have a strongman to swoon over??

Actually...the US Constitution does provide for refuting a presidential election.

You saw a grand win over Trump, and was satisfied.

I saw a travesty of democracy that required real investigation.

Instead...case after case was just tossed out of court with the legal system unwilling to make any decisions.

Nobody was or is really trying to "seize power". We just want fair and honest elections. The one the USA had in 2020 reeked of fraud and half the American population saw that.

You can continue your accusations all you like but, you should know that your position not only further damages Democracy, but if things don't calm down, it'll make you and those like you...targets.

I fear if this hyper-partisan horseshit does not stop, it will lead to an outcome nobody really wants.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Actually...the US Constitution does provide for refuting a presidential election.

You saw a grand win over Trump, and was satisfied.

I saw a travesty of democracy that required real investigation.

You saw that ON FOS LIES. And they paid dearly ($800M) for telling those LIES to you because YOU wanted to hear them.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Instead...case after case was just tossed out of court with the legal system unwilling to make any decisions.

Tossing them out due to lack of evidence, WAS THE DECISION. Duh

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Nobody was or is really trying to "seize power". We just want fair and honest elections. The one the USA had in 2020 reeked of fraud and half the American population saw that.

Trump's man in charge of election security says you and "half the American population" are WRONG.

Do you know what an "appeal to popularity fallacy" is?

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

You can continue your accusations all you like but, you should know that your position not only further damages Democracy, but if things don't calm down, it'll make you and those like you...targets.

So, you're threatening violence AGAIN. ?

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I fear if this hyper-partisan horseshit does not stop, it will lead to an outcome nobody really wants.

You need to calm your fears and lower your cognitive dissonance shield.

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You saw that ON FOS LIES. And they paid dearly ($800M) for telling those LIES to you because YOU wanted to hear them.

Tossing them out due to lack of evidence, WAS THE DECISION. Duh

Trump's man in charge of election security says you and "half the American population" are WRONG.

Do you know what an "appeal to popularity fallacy" is?

So, you're threatening violence AGAIN. ?

You need to calm your fears and lower your cognitive dissonance shield.

 

No threats Sally. Observations. And were you able to understand English, you'd realize that when I say "I fear..." it means I and fearful of something. In this case, a more violent clash. But you do not understand English, or can't read, or are just a lyin' little girl.

Joe's toast and a half. Only silly people like you still cling to the crook as if he's gonna save you from making America great again. But he can hardly walk and has no idea what he's doing anymore so...cling to that.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think the answer is for us to return to what worked in the past: simplified government operations, trusted public intellectuals to debate the issues on our behalf.

?

That makes no sense at all coming from a person who likes to pretend that our PM isn't a hate-monger, and that people weren't forced to vaccinate. You also pretended that the Freedom Convoy was a bunch of violent racists, based on crap like this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-premier-heather-stefanson-condemns-hate-images-deplorable-1.6334461

OMG, look at all those Nazis!!!!

I might as well pontificate to everyone about the rising vulgarity of elected officials after defending Trump all these years. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yes except...trust is EARNED and the institutions have lost all trust.

CBC and CTV can't even label their trucks anymore because they're so universally reviled. 

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

CBC and CTV can't even label their trucks anymore because they're so universally reviled. 

And that's what happens when it becomes obvious that the media here is lying to us.

Maybe @Michael Hardner can speak to them and convince them to stop lying?

[robosmith]

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No threats Sally. Observations.

When you refer to "targets" you're suggesting, if not advocating, shooting with guns. Duh

You're double talking like Trump does, a LOT.

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And were you able to understand English, you'd realize that when I say "I fear..." it means I and fearful of something. In this case, a more violent clash. But you do not understand English, or can't read, or are just a lyin' little girl.

I know what "fear" means, lDIOT. It is YOU justifying a preemptive violent action.

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Joe's toast and a half. Only silly people like you still cling to the crook as if he's gonna save you from making America great again. But he can hardly walk and has no idea what he's doing anymore so...cling to that.

The Republicans got BUPKIS against Joe. Except the confusion and LIES they spread  with your help.... ?

You're already claiming election "reeks" with NO EVIDENCE. So strongly that you reject ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

Are you religious? If so, you've been trained to believe fantastical fairy tales that LACK EVIDENCE.

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And that's what happens when it becomes obvious that the media here is lying to us.

Maybe @Michael Hardner can speak to them and convince them to stop lying?

Or maybe it's the "news" sources YOU BELIEVE which are LYING.

I don't recall you answering my thread which queried your new sources. Too embarrassed? 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

When you refer to "targets" you're suggesting, if not advocating, shooting with guns. Duh

You're double talking like Trump does, a LOT.

I know what "fear" means, lDIOT. It is YOU justifying a preemptive violent action.

The Republicans got BUPKIS against Joe. Except the confusion and LIES they spread  with your help.... ?

You're already claiming election "reeks" with NO EVIDENCE. So strongly that you reject ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

Are you religious? If so, you've been trained to believe fantastical fairy tales that LACK EVIDENCE.

Ya know robo-twit...I've had just about enough of you trying to put words in my mouth.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Or maybe it's the "news" sources YOU BELIEVE which are LYING.

I don't recall you answering my thread which queried your new sources. Too embarrassed? 

No. The CBC and CTV have most definitely been lying about a lot of things.

Lets start here shall we?

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-premier-demands-retraction-apology-over-cbc-reporting-news-outlet-says-no-1.6246588

We can also do a little digging into the blatant lies of your US MSM. Wanna tippy-toe through that mess?

[Moonlight Graham]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If the public is too lazy and distracted to pay attention to the issues enough, that they let politicians get away with this.. how can we trust them to vote directly on issues responsibly?

 

I maintain that this is all on us.. that this tribalism means that we put up with corrupt leaders like Ford and Trudeau because we feel they're better than the alternative.

If the ruling party is dumped Ford and or trudeau, in favor of someone with vision and integrity, they would probably retain power.

Politicians are also lazy and uninformed, they don't read the legislation they vote on. They're told how to vote by the party leadership and punished fiercely if they vote against what the leadership wants, so they vote like a flock of sheep.

If you kiss everyone's arse for 15 years like a good sheep you can run for PM like PeePee.  If you dare speak out over corrupt wrongdoing you get bounced like Jody Wilson-Raybould.

If the Ford government is corrupt and the ON Liberals are corrupt and the NDP are loons then how is it the fault of voters?  Voters get to choose which corrupt party is their favorite.  If the NDP won an election corporate and foreign interests would bombard them with "favours" and they would soon become corrupt.

Voters get 1 vote every few years and choose between 1 of 3 choices.  It's a joke.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You saw that ON FOS LIES. And they paid dearly ($800M) for telling those LIES to you because YOU wanted to hear them.

Tossing them out due to lack of evidence, WAS THE DECISION. Duh

Trump's man in charge of election security says you and "half the American population" are WRONG.

Do you know what an "appeal to popularity fallacy" is?

So, you're threatening violence AGAIN. ?

You need to calm your fears and lower your cognitive dissonance shield.

 

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what I'm talking about. This robo-person will warp a person's words to suit it. No honor what so ever. It's a trait I noticed quite some time ago. This cult of theirs figures their hatred justifies that which any reasonable parent would chastise his or her own kids for doing.

It's...gotta be put in its place. Out to pasture...

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

When you refer to "targets" you're suggesting, if not advocating, shooting with guns. Duh

Joe adamantly lied, and said that he had no knowledge of his son's overseas business dealings, despite the fact that his son got hired at Burisma by Zlochevsky, a Yanukovich crony, just 3 weeks after Joe's first visit to Ukraine.

Now we know that Joe was on conference calls during Burisma's board meetings, so he obviously lied about "no knowledge...". Why did Joe feel like he needed to lie? 

Then Joe fired Ukraine's top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, a month after Shokin won court orders against his son's boss, and the replacement Joe hired dropped those charges. 

The $83k/mo that Zlochevsky paid the Bidens was well spent, because Joe used the weight of the VPOTUS office to protect him. 

[impartialobserver]

Do you know why a third party has virtually no chance of making an impact in American politics? We like certain, familiar, known.... and third parties and their candidates are mostly unknown to the lay citizen. 

[Hodad]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Actually...the US Constitution does provide for refuting a presidential election.

You saw a grand win over Trump, and was satisfied.

I saw a travesty of democracy that required real investigation.

Instead...case after case was just tossed out of court with the legal system unwilling to make any decisions.

Nobody was or is really trying to "seize power". We just want fair and honest elections. The one the USA had in 2020 reeked of fraud and half the American population saw that.

You can continue your accusations all you like but, you should know that your position not only further damages Democracy, but if things don't calm down, it'll make you and those like you...targets.

I fear if this hyper-partisan horseshit does not stop, it will lead to an outcome nobody really wants.

You are entirely full of crap. Overfull, actually. There is not and never has been a mechanism by which the a Vice President simply chooses a winner or chooses not to count state certified votes. 

It's obviously immoral, but literally everyone involved knew that it was illegal as well. Including the scumbag lawyer who came up with the plan. He admitted it in writing and asked for a preemptive pardon--as if piling another abuse of power on top of a betrayal of democracy cancelled each other out.

The courts did their job, despite many of them being conservatives, Republicans, and even Trump appointees, that laughed the comically unfounded cases right out of city.

Never a shred of evidence. Recount after recount, audit after audit-- all conducted by Republicans and nothing untoward discovered of this allegedly massive conspiracy.

You would have to be a fool to keep believing after all that, right? I mean, Sidney "Kraken" Powell literally defended herself in court by saying that no reasonable person could have possibly believed the lies she was selling!

And still, you believe. It's one thing to have no brains and get suckered by people your inexplicably trust. It's another thing altogether to have no shame about it and no backbone to reserve it.

Even today, after all of this, you cling to the lies that the liars admitted they were telling you. And weirder still, you're mad at the people who correctly called you out as a fool instead of the people who selfishly and cynically MADE a fool of you.

It's a mystery.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

55 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You are entirely full of crap. Overfull, actually. There is not and never has been a mechanism by which the a Vice President simply chooses a winner or chooses not to count state certified votes. 

It's obviously immoral, but literally everyone involved knew that it was illegal as well. Including the scumbag lawyer who came up with the plan. He admitted it in writing and asked for a preemptive pardon--as if piling another abuse of power on top of a betrayal of democracy cancelled each other out.

The courts did their job, despite many of them being conservatives, Republicans, and even Trump appointees, that laughed the comically unfounded cases right out of city.

Never a shred of evidence. Recount after recount, audit after audit-- all conducted by Republicans and nothing untoward discovered of this allegedly massive conspiracy.

You would have to be a fool to keep believing after all that, right? I mean, Sidney "Kraken" Powell literally defended herself in court by saying that no reasonable person could have possibly believed the lies she was selling!

And still, you believe. It's one thing to have no brains and get suckered by people your inexplicably trust. It's another thing altogether to have no shame about it and no backbone to reserve it.

Even today, after all of this, you cling to the lies that the liars admitted they were telling you. And weirder still, you're mad at the people who correctly called you out as a fool instead of the people who selfishly and cynically MADE a fool of you.

It's a mystery.

As soon as I read you first paragraph, I smiled and stopped reading. There is a provision in the law for the electors to be dismissed...or something to that effect. Look it up if you must, I'm lounging on my couch with a beer.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Nationalist

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

As soon as I read you first paragraph, I smiled and stopped reading. There is a provision in the law for the electors to be dismissed...or something to that effect. Look it up if you must, I'm lounging on my couch with a beer.

No, there's not. One would have to be comically--and cosmically --stupid to think that the United States has conducted presidential elections for 250 years when really the vice president just gets to pick a winner.

The party in power just gets to choose to stay in power, regardless of the votes? You think that's what the founding fathers wrote and intended? My God, that's shockingly dumb.

Nobody actually thought that. Ever. It never was an actual legal theory. And Eastman admitted it.

But once again, you're eager to be made a sucker and a fool by confessed crooks and liars.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Hodad

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Do you know why a third party has virtually no chance of making an impact in American politics? We like certain, familiar, known.... and third parties and their candidates are mostly unknown to the lay citizen. 

A four way race would achieve a transition to a multiparty system with more choice.

 

All you need is for some of our public intellectuals to... to step up... and to.... uh... uh...

I'm sure we have a few...

Well let's see, there's...

 

Glenn Beck

Al Sharpton

Joe Rogan 

Oprah

Charlie Sheen

Pokemon

 

 

[Rebound]

18 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Actually...the US Constitution does provide for refuting a presidential election.

You saw a grand win over Trump, and was satisfied.

I saw a travesty of democracy that required real investigation.

Instead...case after case was just tossed out of court with the legal system unwilling to make any decisions.

Nobody was or is really trying to "seize power". We just want fair and honest elections. The one the USA had in 2020 reeked of fraud and half the American population saw that.

You can continue your accusations all you like but, you should know that your position not only further damages Democracy, but if things don't calm down, it'll make you and those like you...targets.

I fear if this hyper-partisan horseshit does not stop, it will lead to an outcome nobody really wants.

How many recounts and audits, all unsuccessful, were taken at Trump’s request after he got his ass kicked in 2020?  

[Rebound]

8 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I'm lounging on my couch with a beer.

You need to sober up. Then clean up all those beer cans littering your trailer home. 

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

No, there's not. One would have to be comically--and cosmically --stupid to think that the United States has conducted presidential elections for 250 years when really the vice president just gets to pick a winner.

The party in power just gets to choose to stay in power, regardless of the votes? You think that's what the founding fathers wrote and intended? My God, that's shockingly dumb.

Nobody actually thought that. Ever. It never was an actual legal theory. And Eastman admitted it.

But once again, you're eager to be made a sucker and a fool by confessed crooks and liars.

I didn't say the VP can pick a winner. Nice try. The 1887 Electoral Count Act does provide provision for an election that is in dispute.

The results could have been sent to the houses where they'd have had 2 hours to debate separately. Then rejoin and vote jointly on the objection.

When you make stupid claims, you re-affirm that you Libbies will do and say anything to achieve your goals. That's why people don't trust you and why most people don't trust Biden. 

Edited September 14, 2023 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

How many recounts and audits, all unsuccessful, were taken at Trump’s request after he got his ass kicked in 2020?  

That has nothing to do with the question of VP powers to accept electors.

But nice try...

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You need to sober up. Then clean up all those beer cans littering your trailer home. 

Lol...I won't relate to you the truth of my housing situation because...I don't want to make you jealous.

Lol...