Canada would make no difference to global CO2 emissions with its combined carbon tax and net zero goals.

[blackbird]

The authoritarian government of Ottawa with it's totalitarian policies of carbon tax, transitioning the oil/gas industry, extreme regulations for net zero, etc. will make no difference to global warming or climate change.  Canada's contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere is just a drop in the bucket and other countries are not following Canada's radical agenda.  Man cannot control the climate and never will.  97% of atmospheric CO2 is natural to begin with. The other 3% is from fossil fuels and mankind cannot exist as we know it if that is significantly reduced by force or authoritarian rule.  The world depends on oil and gas for the necessities of life and will for the forseeable future.  Many products are derived from oil.

"On the constitutional front, federal plans are shaky. Ottawa’s net zero policies require provinces and territories to adopt certain electricity generation targets by 2035. Of course, some provinces outside the West are pushing back. Nova Scotia — reliant on imported coal — is opposing Ottawa’s targets and its punitive carbon tax levies that are hitting low-income Nova Scotians particularly hard.

The Constitution specifies provinces and territories have jurisdiction over electricity generation. Which makes complete sense. This level of government is better able to prioritize and manage its own plans for electric generation.

Informed observers have pointed out that Ottawa was able to weasel into this area through appealing to its shared jurisdiction with the provinces over the environment. Project Confederation – an independent public policy organization based in Alberta – has  pointed  out that the decision to give the feds and the provinces shared say over the environment was one arrived at solely by the courts. The environment is not even mentioned in the constitution."

QUESNEL: Manitoba needs to join Western Front against net zero nonsense (msn.com)

[Moonlight Graham]

I wouldn't say "no difference", but it would be minimal in the grand scheme.

Tackling climate change will involve some sacrifice of everyone in the world to make changes until green energy and technology are dominant.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Moonlight Graham

[August1991]

Disagree.

Would you say the same about a soldier on Juno Beach? 

[TreeBeard]

Developed countries will be the ones to export technologies that reduce CO2 emissions.  If the developed world doesn’t do it, the rest of the world certainly won’t.  We’re rich. We are the ones who can afford it. 

Canada is not doing enough.  

[August1991]

13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Developed countries will be the ones to export technologies that reduce CO2 emissions.

....

Do you really believe that?

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If we are truly facing a Global Warming, why is Bill Gates flying private? 

In World War II, Churchill was not afraid to fly. Stalin and Roosevelt were afraid of planes.

Edited September 2, 2023 by August1991

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Do you really believe that?

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If we are truly facing a Global Warming, why is Bill Gates flying private? 

In World War II, Churchill was not afraid to fly. Stalin and Roosevelt were afraid of planes.

I don’t know or care what Bill Gates does.  Maybe he’s a hypocrite.  
 

I believe experts (climate scientists).  Don’t you?

[August1991]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I don’t know or care what Bill Gates does.  Maybe he’s a hypocrite.  
 

I believe experts (climate scientists).  Don’t you?

I happen to think our marginal efforts will change the CO2 emissions.

And yes, I question the Maui CO2 measures. 

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Would you say the same about a soldier on Juno Beach? 

that was British North America

this Canada doesn't fight against totalitarian regimes, it serves them

prostrate yourself before your new Communist masters in Beijing

[August1991]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

.....

this Canada doesn't fight against totalitarian regimes, it serves them

prostrate yourself before your new Communist masters in Beijing

Tolstoi wrote a novel about this. Jimmy Carter noted it. Mulroney spoke about it.

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Which soldier won the war? 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Tolstoi wrote a novel about this. Jimmy Carter noted it. Mulroney spoke about it.

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Which soldier won the war? 

the chain of command which assaulted Juno Beach

would have the entire Canadian Cabinet arrested now

and charged with Treason under Section 46 of the Criminal Code

[August1991]

29 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the chain of command which assaulted Juno Beach

would have the entire Canadian Cabinet arrested now

and charged with Treason under Section 46 of the Criminal Code

Chain of command?

It is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Whether in Stalingrad or in a Lancaster over Kassel, each little effort mattered. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Whether in Stalingrad or in a Lancaster over Kassel, each little effort mattered. 

not actually

Stalingrad was a Soviet victory leading to the Communist enslavement of Eastern Europe

while strategic bombing proved to be counterproductive in the end

[August1991]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Stalingrad was a Soviet victory leading to the Communist enslavement of Eastern Europe

while strategic bombing proved to be counterproductive in the end

Disagree. Stalingrad was the decisive battle between Russia and Germany.

Hitler lost - like Napoleon in 1812.

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Dec 1942 - Feb 1943 decided the war. 

Edited September 2, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

Sorry for the thread drift.

My wonder is about one person's change on the world. I think it matters.

World events certainly change a person's life! 

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

World events certainly change a person's life! 

your entire life is shaped by geopolitics

great power security competition

it dictates every aspect of society

the only aspect you control, is actually your religion

what you believe in, or don't, in the spiritual aspect pf life

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree. Stalingrad was the decisive battle between Russia and Germany.

Hitler lost - like Napoleon in 1812.

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Dec 1942 - Feb 1943 decided the war. 

Stalingrad did not decide the war

Pearl Harbor decided the war

as once the Americans entered the war, it became a forgone conclusion that America would win

it was just a matter of time

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

your entire life is shaped by geopolitics

great power security competition

it dictates every aspect of society

the only aspect you control, is actually your religion

what you believe in, or don't, in the spiritual aspect pf life

Stalingrad did not decide the war

Pearl Harbor decided the war

as once the Americans entered the war, it became a forgone conclusion that America would win

it was just a matter of time

Frrack dude....can you ever stay on topic???

What a loser.

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, blackbird said:

The environment is not even mentioned in the constitution."

It's not even in the Bible.

But seriously, our economy also barely recognizes the environment.That needs to change.

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I wouldn't say "no difference", but it would be minimal in the grand scheme.

Tackling climate change will involve some sacrifice of everyone in the world to make changes until green energy and technology are dominant.

If we spend two trillion dollars on this, which is what the Royal bank says it will cost, we will be a much poorer society without the wherewithal to put in place the expensive remediation infrastructure needed to deal with climate change.

Meanwhile, the developing world, which contributes 68% of CO2 emissions, and which will be the main losers of a warming globe, are building coal plants as frantically as they can.

16 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Would you say the same about a soldier on Juno Beach? 

If he was there by himself because no one else was willing to invade with him? Yes.

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I don’t know or care what Bill Gates does.  Maybe he’s a hypocrite.  
 

I believe experts (climate scientists).  Don’t you?

Did these 'experts' say that if Canada spent two trillion to get to net zero it would have any appreciable impact on global warming?

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

I happen to think our marginal efforts will change the CO2 emissions.

Noticeably?

[CdnFox]

On 9/1/2023 at 8:14 PM, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Would you say the same about a soldier on Juno Beach? 

For sure - if it was just A soldier who showed up.  Zero chance they'd make a difference against something the size of the german army.

 

Now to put it in perspective - if China's output was like the german forces at the invasion sites, then canada's output would be like trying to attack those positions and invade france with 8 thousand men, and that's it.  it would not have done ANYTHNG, the enemy would not have even noticed.

We make NO difference - China goes up by more than our entire out put every 2 years or less. If Canada had fought ww 2 like we fight climate change, you'd be typing this in german.

[August1991]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

For sure - if it was just A soldier who showed up.  Zero chance they'd make a difference against something the size of the german army.

....

But which soldier, where?

It is a difficult idea - Newton and Leibniz struggled: my one vote in an election, or "my effort" in a war.

As I say, Tolstoi wrote a book about it.

[August1991]

Sorry.

I have mixed two issues.

1. Do Canada's CO2 emissions matter?

2. Do CO2 emissions matter?

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I question the second issue. 

 

[CdnFox]

18 hours ago, August1991 said:

But which soldier, where?

Doesn't matter

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It is a difficult idea - Newton and Leibniz struggled: my one vote in an election, or "my effort" in a war.

It's simple as hell. 

If the vast majority of people say no, and only one or two are willing to go at all, then it will not succeed.

China is the vast majority. if they are unwilling to play ball then nothing we do will make any difference.

See how easy that was? Even Newton could have understood that.