Vikek and Truth or Consequences

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Politicians shouldn't 'court' voters. They just need to be intelligent and useful.

I get it, that doesn't appeal to you. You prefer histrionics.

This coming from a guy who thinks that the covid jab is perfectly safe and prevents infection. 

I can't even believe you spelled all those words correctly. You must have a spell-checker on. 

When was the last time you observed reality?

Did you see mostly peaceful protests or did you see some peaceful protests during the day/evening which were quite predictably followed up by violent riots? 

Did you see Democracts fanning the flames during the riots and trying to get violent rioters out of jail or calling for peace?

Did you see Dems cheat multiple times on the 2016 election or did you miss that?

Did you notice that the FBI committed serious crimes or did you miss that too?

You don't even have a clue what reality is, you should never use that word because it draws attention to your vast ignorance. 

Dude, the Dems are the biggest election liars and cheaters in the history of the world, and CNN helped them cheat. They even gave Hillary debate questions. Did you forget that they even had the FBI committing crimes for them? Did you forget that the Dems lied and committed crimes to overturn the 2016 election? It was 24/7 for 3 years.

Again, reality is something that you can't actually conceptualize. You think that it means "What I see on CNN" and nothing could be further from the truth. 

Oh, goody, another postcard from your own private dimension, and another Gish gallop full of half truths, outright lies and unhinged absurdity. I sure do wish you'd figure out how to work the ignore feature you keep talking about.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Oh, goody, another postcard from your own private dimension, and another Gish gallop full of half truths, outright lies and unhinged absurdity. I sure do wish you'd figure out how to work the ignore feature you keep talking about.

Buddy, I don't believe any of the idi0tic things that I quoted you on. Do you think I suddenly became leftarded? 

I know that protests were peaceful during the day, and that they predictably evolved into violent riots at night. I know that Dems rarely ever discouraged them, and never fully, and I know that Dems spent a lot of time endorsing those violent riots. I posted Michelle Obama's not-so-subtle dog-whistle to HS kids about the social justice glory of violent riots here more than once. I'm not part of your delusional m0r0n squad. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, I don't believe any of the idi0tic things that I quoted you on. Do you think I suddenly became leftarded? 

I know that protests were peaceful during the day, and that they predictably evolved into violent riots at night. I know that Dems rarely ever discouraged them, and never fully, and I know that Dems spent a lot of time endorsing those violent riots. I posted Michelle Obama's not-so-subtle dog-whistle to HS kids about the social justice glory of violent riots here more than once. I'm not part of your delusional m0r0n squad. 

Yes, you post most of your lies and nonsense "more than once."

Democrats supported protests, but not violent riots, and most of them explicitly condemned the latter, as if it even needs saying. 

Your refusal to understand the BLM protests as anything other than a monolithic event is a real problem. There were riots, but the protests as a whole were overwhelmingly peaceful.

In CCC data collected from May 2020 to June 2021, 94% of protests involved no participant arrests, 97.9% involved no participant injuries, 98.6% involved no injuries to police, and 96.7% involved no property damage. 

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Hodad

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Democrats supported protests, but not violent riots,

That at least is not true.  Rashida went so far as to help raise bail money for rioters, and the dems frequently doq whistled that the violence was ok.  "Protests are SUPPOSED to make people uncomfortable".  They frequently excused the violence as being perfectly acceptable because the protests were "mostly peaceful" and it would be wrong to 'focus' on the violence.  They certainly never spoke out strongly against it.

you'd have a very difficult time arguing the dems didn't support the violent riots.

[BeaverFever]

You know the Republican party had finally arrived in the 21st century when they allowed a Hindu named Vivek Ramaswamy to even speak publicly much less run for leadership.  
 

Compare that to recent failed Republican leadership candidate named was Priyush Jindall but who refused to publicly acknowledge that he came from an Indian immigrant Hindu family and  who identified as a white evangelical Christian named “Bobby” (it’s not an earned nickname he made up the name himself). 
 

As to the OP, intelligent people have always known to take politicians and advertising with a grain of salt, and have always had the ability to discern the difference between fact, opinion and hyperbole and critically assess information on its own merits.
 
Todays right wing however tries to claim that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to fringe theories and reject the widely accepted reality is a sheep who cant think for themselves and who will believes whatever others people tell them. If you believe the world is round instead of flat it means you’re a blind follower who can’t think critically   To be a an independent thinker in their view means you must believe the opposite of what most people believe.  Hilariously though they came to their fringe beliefs not by thinking critically but by blindly following others and deciding that they will believe whatever that person says, and to be clear they are usually blindly following specific individuals like Trump or Tucker Carlson wheras normal people are not blindly following specific personalities but rather accepting what they perceive to be rhe broadest consensus 

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You know the Republican party had finally arrived in the 21st century when they allowed a Hindu named Vivek Ramaswamy to even speak publicly much less run for leadership.  

oh please.

this kind of drivel is why it's impossible for the two sides to  have an intelligent conversation. What a pathetic person you are.

[ironstone]

On 8/22/2023 at 3:44 PM, robosmith said:

COVID was responsible for ONE MILLION excess deaths in the US as EVIDENCE POSTED HERE makes clear.

Do you have the numbers that say how many of those one million had comorbidities? Or are you suggesting they all died solely because of Covid?

[ironstone]

On 8/22/2023 at 5:45 PM, Rebound said:

Getting the White Christian redneck MAGA bigots to vote for a dark skinned guy with a name they can’t spell… yeah, that’ll happen. 

I think the overwhelming majority of "redneck MAGA bigots" couldn't care less about the color of his skin or his name. Considering how recently he has entered the cutthroat world of politics, he has decent polling numbers among Republican voters.

Watch him bash Dana Bash.

 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

oh please.

this kind of drivel is why it's impossible for the two sides to  have an intelligent conversation. What a pathetic person you are.

Sorry it’s true. 

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Sorry it’s true. 

You'd have to be an ignorant puerile prejudiced bigot with no brains and unable to think for yourself to believe that.

Oh... wait... .

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You'd have to be an ignorant puerile prejudiced bigot with no brains and unable to think for yourself to believe that.

Oh... wait... .

It's their religion now. They worship at the alter of suffering and death. Anything and anyone is expendable for the religion. Pure evil disguised as caring.

In peace shall he destroy many.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It's their religion now. They worship at the alter of suffering and death. Anything and anyone is expendable for the religion. Pure evil disguised as caring.

In peace shall he destroy many.

Hatred is all the left wing knows anymore.

[Guest]

On 8/19/2023 at 12:33 PM, Hodad said:

They aren't going to nominate a brown man 

Numbers refute that claim.

Post debate, his donor numbers skyrocketed. 

He just needs to be heard. His voice is powerful enough to make those who would look at his skin color, not take it into account based on the message he is delivering.

[Hodad]

14 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Numbers refute that claim.

Post debate, his donor numbers skyrocketed. 

He just needs to be heard. His voice is powerful enough to make those who would look at his skin color, not take it into account based on the message he is delivering.

Absolutely disagree. Republicans lost their minds when we elected a Black man. They are even more bigoted against other religions. They believe in one nation under God. They believe we are a Christian nation" and will not put someone in the oval office who believes in gods, plural. 

Not every person. It's not a monolith. But enough to make it impossible.

 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hatred is all the left wing knows anymore.

That's a lie and you know it. They invented victimhood. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Republicans lost their minds when we elected a Black man.

Most I heard, hated him based on policy. He was weak on policy. Strong and charismatic, otherwise.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Absolutely disagree. Republicans lost their minds when we elected a Black man.

 

No, and no amount of fantasy will change that.  THey didn't like obama and they wouldn't have liked him any more if he were white.  to pretend otherwise is childish

THey didn't like clinton. Either of them.  They don't like sleepy joe.  Are you seeing a pattern?

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

That's a lie and you know it. They invented victimhood. 

I stand partially corrected - its' true they did, and it's true they love being victims, but it's ALSO true that they hate everyone else for making them love being victims.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

but it's ALSO true that they hate everyone else for making them love being victims.

They even try to push you to hate yourself like they do.

If you don't feel absolutely disgusted for being white, and shame for being American, you're somehow subhuman and require to reflect on the dangerous unnacceptable views that you are peddling. 

Heck even getting to work on time and being professional have a tinge of white supremacy attached to it, according to these people.

Sloth and victimhood are the only acceptable means. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Most I heard, hated him based on policy. He was weak on policy. Strong and charismatic, otherwise.

Oh, the overtly racist memes and emails were everywhere. And for the folks who recognized that's it's not socially acceptable to be overtly racist anymore, they dialed the xenophobia up to 11 for the first Black president. 

They spent years trying to make him "the other." They built an entire movement around lies that he was born in Kenya (or some other African country) and that he was a Muslim. A Manchurian candidate.

They didn't just dislike his policies (which were pretty moderate anyway), they rejected him as an American altogether. Not "one of us." That's not a coincidence.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

They didn't just dislike his policies

His policies were weak. He was afraid of angering his white base, so was about as flaccid in policy as Trump was in public relations.

Ramaswamy makes no apologies for his stances and beliefs. He will grow on the republican base.

I would be willing to bet heavily on it. Sure they will hate him for being Hindu, but he talks, lives and acts the American dream.

His rapid rise proves that very point. Hearing him speak and dismember leftist anchors or anyone in his way, but having the charm and PR savvy that Trump doesn't have will make many rethink their options.

[Hodad]

2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

His policies were weak. He was afraid of angering his white base, so was about as flaccid in policy as Trump was in public relations.

Ramaswamy makes no apologies for his stances and beliefs. He will grow on the republican base.

I would be willing to bet heavily on it. Sure they will hate him for being Hindu, but he talks, lives and acts the American dream.

His rapid rise proves that very point. Hearing him speak and dismember leftist anchors or anyone in his way, but having the charm and PR savvy that Trump doesn't have will make many rethink their options.

So agreed on race and Obama?

Whenever I hear Ramaswamy speak ( just a couple of interviews and the debate) he seems divorced from reality. The conspiracy stuff just makes him seem entirely unfit. I grant you that they will still sell to the MAGA crowd, but there's a sizeable constituency of Republicans that want a return to serious politics instead of Trump 2.0. And he simply cannot win without the Bible belt, and he simply cannot win their support. 

We'll have to watch it play out, but I'm about as worried about Ramaswamy as I am about a lightning strike.

Meanwhile, the only candidate in that batch that's ready for the job and viable is Haley. That's who Republicans should be talking about. 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

is Haley

She would be  the best candidate, in my opinion. 

Also with an Indian background, so win win.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

So agreed on race and Obama?

Yes, there are racist people within the republican base. I just don't see it on a sweeping level, but yeah, definitely.

I see it as no different than me going to a highly conservative city in Canada.

As a black male, I know I would be judged, but am "white" enough just like Obama was, to fly under such radars.

Its also not lost on me, that being "white" is my peers essentially telling me am well spoken and articulate.

[Hodad]

13 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

She would be  the best candidate, in my opinion. 

Also with an Indian background, so win win.

Right? Haley is not perfect, and it would be a hard campaign, but she's the type of candidate that people can vote for rather than just hoping they vote against Biden. 

I mean, let's be frank, Biden is really old and showing every bit of that mileage. There are a lot of independents out there who have already rejected Trump and his self-styled successors. Those people don't necessarily want to vote for Biden. They'd love a reasonable alternative who presents as knowledgeable and competent and, above all, actually interested in solving problems, building consensus and governing. -- But that's the catch, it has to be a reasonable alternative. And I don't think a reasonable alternative can make it through the primaries unless all the other candidates gather the collective will to renounce Trumpism.

I mean, honestly, it shouldn't be that hard to get a stage full of people in the opposition party to say that elections matter and it's wrong and illegal for a sitting vice president to simply decide to remain in power. I mean, jeebus, they all want to be elected, and if they win, none of them think Kamala Harris should be able to simply "nope" the election results. Why can't they find the basic courage to denounce Trump for trying that scheme? It's disappointing and infuriating. 

Christie is getting killed for telling the truth and publicly breaking with Trump. The other candidates are afraid to join him, but that's not how to lead. If they all did it, they might muster up escape velocity and leave the Trump era.

 

[Hodad]

16 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Yes, there are racist people within the republican base. I just don't see it on a sweeping level, but yeah, definitely.

I see it as no different than me going to a highly conservative city in Canada.

As a black male, I know I would be judged, but am "white" enough just like Obama was, to fly under such radars.

Its also not lost on me, that being "white" is my peers essentially telling me am well spoken and articulate.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but it's more pervasive than just a few bad apples. There are racists in any group. But there are attitudes and policies in the Republican platform that attract racists at scale. Something as absurd as birtherism gained greater than 50% acceptance among Republicans. A majority! And they eagerly elected Trump who built his political footprint on flogging that conspiracy theory.

That's doesn't mean that half of Republicans are robe-and-hood racists. But it does mean that they were primed and willing to believe the worst about a Black man with a non-anglo name.

There is a fundamental mistrust of non-white, non-Christian people in that population significant enough to scupper a primary run and suppress enthusiasm and turnout in a general.  Sort of the presidential politics version of that security guard who watches you extra closely in a store.

That's my point. Not that everyone will vocally disqualify Ramaswamy, but even if he were perfect on policy (he's not) he'd be swimming against undercurrents that run strong and deep in the voting base he needs. 

That's all I have to say about that.