Canadian Defence News

[I am Groot]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If lowering the GST was such a bad idea, why hasn’t Trudeau raised it again? He’s had eight years.

Because that would be unpopular. Trudeau's only motive for anything and everything he does is to make himself popular/look good to his base.

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I have to wonder at someone old enough to have been in the Air Force and yet still has the mind of a child.

I am just glad I made you  smarter.

Oh and, even a child does not suffer fools well.....

Edited February 26, 2024 by ExFlyer

[I am Groot]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I am just glad I made you  smarter.

Oh and, even a child does not suffer fools well.....

What about a foolish child with a Trumpesque ego?

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I think what you mean is he reduced taxes. Saying he 'blew it' is for when someone inherits a balanced budget (or very close to) like Trudeau and then HUGELY increases spending.

He reduced taxes, and expanded spending.  

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I have to smile at a liberal who complains about Harper's deficits then his austerity. We certainly haven't seen any austerity from the Trudeau family!

We didn't really see much from Harper either.  There's no doubt he was miles better than Trudeau, but he was hardly an austerity PM.  

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

What about a foolish child with a Trumpesque ego?

Yeah OK.  LOL

It's OK that you did not know. You are much wiser now and should accept with thanks instead of insults.

 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

He reduced taxes, and expanded spending.  

We didn't really see much from Harper either.  There's no doubt he was miles better than Trudeau, but he was hardly an austerity PM.  

No, he didn't plan on being one. When the opposition forced him to put out that huge economic incentive program, thus running deep into deficit, he then had to spend the rest of his time in office getting back to balance. But he was at best capable and competent. There was nothing outstanding or special about him. He didn't make any big, important changes. He believed in incrementalism. But like all other PMs he ignored the big, nasty problems that couldn't be solved quickly, like healthcare, interprovincial trade barriers, the native issue, and our creaking judicial system.

He's my choice for best PM in recent times but the bar is very low. 

Edited February 26, 2024 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope.

The singular thing you never have ever done to anyone in your over 14,000 post in just a year is befuddle anyone.

Ahhh - so you were befuddled before i got here. Pre-fuddled so to speak.  Got it.

[Moonbox]

17 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

No, he didn't plan on being one. When the opposition forced him to put out that huge economic incentive program, thus running deep into deficit, he then had to spend the rest of his time in office getting back to balance. But he was at best capable and competent. There was nothing outstanding or special about him. He didn't make any big, important changes. He believed in incrementalism. But like all other PMs he ignored the big, nasty problems that couldn't be solved quickly, like healthcare, interprovincial trade barriers, the native issue, and our creaking judicial system.

He's my choice for best PM in recent times but the bar is very low. 

Well there aren't really any other choices.  Trudeau was terrible, Mulroney was less bad, Chretien was okay, Martin we can't really say, Harper was alright and then (for the repeat) Trudeau was terrible again.  

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, not at all,

Well that's what you'd expect a pre-fuddled person to say No wonder you act the way you do.

Sigh - well as we just saw in two studies lefties such as yourself  ARE more prone to mental health issues. Feel better.

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It seems you are trying to make a point by referencing studies about left-handed individuals and mental health. However, it is essential to remember that people should not be defined or judged based on their handedness or any other personal traits.

It is crucial to promote understanding towards others, focusing on their individual strengths and experiences rather than generalizations and insults.

Woooops - you're befuddled again!   

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The befuddled one is the one having difficulty with staying on topic.

Yes.  That would still be you   I correctly pointed out that once harper got his majority and had the spending under control after the great recession he committed to many billions in new military spending and trudeau cancelled it all.

That would be when you decided to go oft topic.  But once again you do something silly and somehow it's my fault.

I also pointed out chretien did the same thing. So that is a problem.  Hopefully PP will be in long enough with majorities to actually get some real spending done.

Hopefully that doesn't befuddle you TOO much  

 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It appears that you are highlighting the change in military spending commitments between different Canadian governments and expressing a desire for a party with a majority to effectively address these issues. It is important to acknowledge the complexities and challenges that come with such decisions, as well as the varying perspectives and approaches of different political leaders. It is always beneficial to engage in informed and respectful discussions to better understand the implications of these policy changes.

But of course, it is difficult, near impossible, for you to be civil and it is understood it is a shortcoming with your personality. It is predictable you are as you are.

Annnd  managed to befuddle him again.  It doesnt' take much does it  

Way to keep it on topic there big guy!!!  Keep going - you're doing great!!  LOL!

(it's so important to encourage them at that age)

Edited February 26, 2024 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It's always important to provide encouragement and positive reinforcement, particularly when they are more intelligent than you. Our supportive words can help boost your confidence and motivation, leading to better outcomes and a more positive overall experience. Keep up the effort and continue to try to be a source of positivity for those who still try to communicate with you.

Well i do appreciate your words of support, particularly seeing as i'm more intelligent than you as you note.

(yeash - REALLY befuddled him this time looks like  )  

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It's wonderful to see that you value support and acknowledge my intelligence. Engaging in such conversations can indeed lead to new perspectives and growth for you.

Let's continue our discussion with your open mind and respect, fostering a positive and enriching environment for you.

I do acknowledge your intelligence - its just a hair above the average chipmunk.   

And you still seem pretty befuddled - what were you saying  before about how terrible it is to go off topic?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Thank you for the acknowledgement, although I strive to provide helpful and relevant responses regardless of the topic at hand.

Right - that's why you've been completely going off topic, right oh befuddled one?

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BTW, the topic is "Canadian Defence News" not "CdnFux Stll Being Obnoxious" LOL

Are you sure? It seemed to be more along the lines of "ExFlyer has a  hissy fit and posts anything BUT the topic due to befuddlement"

I tried to drag you back on topic - then you posted some nonsense about how i'ts important for you to support me because i'm more intelligent, which seemed a little odd  

[ExFlyer]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Right - that's why you've been completely going off topic, right oh befuddled one?

Are you sure? It seemed to be more along the lines of "ExFlyer has a  hissy fit and posts anything BUT the topic due to befuddlement"

I tried to drag you back on topic - then you posted some nonsense about how i'ts important for you to support me because i'm more intelligent, which seemed a little odd  

Ha Ha Ha !!!

You are off topic or posting nonsensical comments as you so often do.

My intention was to provide relevant support and clarification. Your efforts to steer the conversation back on track is continually failing but I will strive to stay focused on the topic at hand in interactions. Thank you for pointing that out but I realize it is too difficult for you to stop being an A hole

 

EDIT:

 I am deleting all my interaction with CdnFux on this thread. I apologize to the OP for the off topic stuff. CdnFux makes this happen in all his posts. He is just a typiccal self centerd A hole and we all know this. Again OP, sorry.

Edited February 26, 2024 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha Ha Ha !!!

You are off topic or posting nonsensical comments as you so often do.

 

No, i'm on topic.  You're the one who's posting nonsense and staying off topic

You're just mad because harper did more for defense spending than your buddy justin and the facts have once again befuddled you  

[Aristides]

On 2/25/2024 at 4:21 PM, BeaverFever said:

I agree can’t be a launch customer for any product. 
 

To your question though, USAF, and USMC, USCG, German Navy, all looked at it. USMC purchased 21 aircraft +2 more for testing, designated VH-92 that will fully takeover presidential duties this year.  It’s also a militarized version of the H-92 superhawk but still probably very different than the Cyclone. 
 

As I understand it: Because the CH-148 Cyclone was an adaptation of a successful civilian aircraft and large US/foreign orders were also anticipated at the time it was expected to be a simple implementation. But meeting the RCAF’s requirements especially the folding tail proved challenging. Plus in addition to the cyclone being a small fleet with these bespoke features not necessarily valued by other countries, we cheaped out on other capabilities. it was only ever designed to carry torpedoes when at a minimum anti-ship missiles should have been included as this is pretty much a core feature of most maritime combat aircraft and ASW helicopters. 
 

Despite the horrendously excessive amounts of time and money spent developing and delivering the Cyclone, AFAIK the helicopter that is flying today is highly capable and well regarded by the crews that use it, except for lack of additional weapons like missiles. Initial problems with tail cracking and autopilot have been addressed to my knowledge and no new ones have emerged.  I’m not saying it was the right choice to purchase but we’re not currently flying a lemon, just a very expensive orange that took a very long time to ripen. And now the fleet is approaching mid life upgrade despite not reaching full delivery and nobody has planned for it. 

I'm not  qualified to comment on its capabilities which may be considerable,  just that we have spent a lot of time and money to saddle ourselves to an orphan. However, if you say it isn't capable of carrying anti shipping missiles that seems like a major oversight if we were planning on others to buy it. Seems to me that these days a frigate's helicopter is just as likely to be doing things like chasing Somali pirates and Houthis as hunting subs. A couple of Hellfires would make it a lot more intimidating than just being able to watch. 

I remember the first action I heard about in the Falklands war was a Lynx helicopter from a frigate or destroyer taking out an Argentine patrol boat with a missile.

[Army Guy]

Another media source 'Scott Taylor" addressing our military issues and problems, only this one puts into perspective that the government nor DND is actually telling us the whole truth about shortages...Now well past the 16 thousand we have been told...in some cases 40 % short....

I get it today the liberals have drained the swamp when it comes to funds, and pretty much broken everything in site so massive amounts of funding is going to be needed to bring it all back to normal....everything is more expensive, people are actually struggling to make ends meet....Conservatives are going to have to spend more to dig us out of this hole...sooner than later we are going to have to address our military before it becomes to expensive to even revive...

we are hearing that soldiers are back in food banks, with a small percentage homeless...yes i said homeless...if that is not a red flag i'm not sure what is...we are slowly purchasing equipment, and i'm not sure who or what guides these projects but the big elephant in the room is our procurement and all of it's guide lines, political interference, Military members allowing this type of behavior and kotowing to politicians at the expense of military members lives...by not purchasing the best , but rather the cheapest bidder..politicians should agree to the purchase in general, then agree on a pot of money and let the military pick what, where, and how many..

One day Canadians will wake up, hopefully before it is to late...although i do not have any faith in our current population to due so...

 

[Army Guy]

On 2/25/2024 at 8:21 PM, BeaverFever said:

 

To your question though, USAF, and USMC, USCG, German Navy, all looked at it. USMC purchased 21 aircraft +2 more for testing, designated VH-92 that will fully takeover presidential duties this year.  It’s also a militarized version of the H-92 superhawk but still probably very different than the Cyclone. 
 

As I understand it: Because the CH-148 Cyclone was an adaptation of a successful civilian aircraft and large US/foreign orders were also anticipated at the time it was expected to be a simple implementation. But meeting the RCAF’s requirements especially the folding tail proved challenging. Plus in addition to the cyclone being a small fleet with these bespoke features not necessarily valued by other countries, we cheaped out on other capabilities. it was only ever designed to carry torpedoes when at a minimum anti-ship missiles should have been included as this is pretty much a core feature of most maritime combat aircraft and ASW helicopters. 
 

Despite the horrendously excessive amounts of time and money spent developing and delivering the Cyclone, AFAIK the helicopter that is flying today is highly capable and well regarded by the crews that use it, except for lack of additional weapons like missiles. Initial problems with tail cracking and autopilot have been addressed to my knowledge and no new ones have emerged.  I’m not saying it was the right choice to purchase but we’re not currently flying a lemon, just a very expensive orange that took a very long time to ripen. And now the fleet is approaching mid life upgrade despite not reaching full delivery and nobody has planned for it. 

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In late November 2021, Pentagon officials noted the aircraft was "failing to meet the reliability, availability or maintainability threshold requirements" and that it had damaged landing zones with its exhaust and fuel leaks during test flights. The VH-92 had not yet entered service carrying VIPs.^[16]

On 28 December 2021, the VH-92 achieved its Initial Operational Capability (IOC) milestone.^[17] However, the aircraft, named "Patriot" in 2022, will not be able to carry the president or vice president due to issues with its encrypted communications systems.^[3]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_VH-92_Patriot

It seems we are not the only ones that are having issues with this helo...and lets be honest the EH101 won the intial contract, but was declared to expensive another competition was held, and all the candidates dropped out with the except of ya you guess it H-92...

not buying a tested aircraft is a huge mistake, but buying an orphan aircraft, is even worse mistake, in 15 years time when they no longer make parts we will be looking at massive maintenance costs, and extremely hard to get parts...

Not including the ability to lunch missiles is just another red flag, this is a major requirement in most navies...it restricts the capabilities of the ship and helo capabilities.. It will be a huge deck wight when the spares run out...then what get a C-17 to fly out a new one....this is another example of someone not getting the right equipment into the hands of those that need it...

[eyeball]

On 2/25/2024 at 2:21 PM, I am Groot said:

We haven't built a nuclear power plant in a generation because the Left is so afraid of them, and just disapproves of the concept entirely for a variety of reasons.

I'm a lefty and I only have one reason for disapproving them - we can't trust the government to regulate the nuclear power industry honestly and transparently. 

[Army Guy]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm a lefty and I only have one reason for disapproving them - we can't trust the government to regulate the nuclear power industry honestly and transparently. 

Can't trust the government to regulate any industry...take fishing for instance....but we still fish some times...

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Can't trust the government to regulate any industry...take fishing for instance....but we still fish some times...

We could if we set the government up the right way.  It'll probably have to crash and burn first however.

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

We could if we set the government up the right way.  It'll probably have to crash and burn first however.

And that would be harper's fault right?  

[eyeball]

Just now, CdnFox said:

And that would be harper's fault right?

Nope, its entirely ours.