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[User]

5 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Wars have never benefited the people, only a few kings and dictators who enriched themselves. Today, they really only benefit a handful of businessmen, not the people. As far as I’m concerned, they could just load Canada’s weapons onto old ships and sink them in the Pacific and the Atlantic. Nobody is going to come kill us for pleasure. If they want to plunder our gold mines, let them do it.

Amazing. 
 

You spend the last 2 years cheering on and defend the terrorist thugs in Gaza, want them to keep fighting on and killing Israelis…

And now you want Canada to just surrender to anyone who wants to invade.

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, User said:

Amazing. 
 

You spend the last 2 years cheering on and defend the terrorist thugs in Gaza, want them to keep fighting on and killing Israelis…

And now you want Canada to just surrender to anyone who wants to invade.

 

That would be because he's expecting the terrorist thugs from Gaza to be the ones who are invading

[Army Guy]

So far you have been wrong in almost everything you have said, on every aspect of this conversation, And as per your usual your conversation skills you've presented here in this forum, you have moved on to resorting to personal attacks and name calling , it seems to be your super power...

And i think I'l skip the rest of your debating skills and save the  wasted band width you seem to crave...It's not that i don't have the balls to deal with someone like you or this topic, i think our conversation is not going any where productive..., and regardless of what i say, you've already turned it into an insult fest, something i really don't have the time or the energy for..

You'll have to save your energy for your regular partners...Thanks for coming out...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

So far you have been wrong in almost everything you have said, on every aspect of this conversation, And as per your usual your conversation skills you've presented here in this forum, you have moved on to resorting to personal attacks and name calling , it seems to be your super power...

And i think I'l skip the rest of your debating skills and save the  wasted band width you seem to crave...It's not that i don't have the balls to deal with someone like you or this topic, i think our conversation is not going any where productive..., and regardless of what i say, you've already turned it into an insult fest, something i really don't have the time or the energy for..

You'll have to save your energy for your regular partners...Thanks for coming out...

oh look who's afraid to even mention who he's talking to. Coward

I'm 100% right in every single thing I've said and you are unable to refute any of it.

And you were the one that started with the insults. Not to mention that yet again you turned a perfectly normal thread discussing whether or not we should purchase a plane or trust the Americans into a crybaby tampon Fest whining about how Canada hates the military at a time when we've just increased funding to historic levels

But as usual you start with the insults and then break down in tears if somebody dares to insult you back.

But it's hardly surprising that you would run like a coward rather than address the simple fact that we can't trust America any further.

Run away and high little boy, the men are talking. No wonder the military put tampons in the men's bathrooms

Edited December 1, 2025 by CdnFox

[BeaverFever]

Concerns raised that another Canadian Army project is being tailored just for U.S. equipment

There has been growing frustration among some Canadian defence firms that the military is ignoring Carney’s call to decrease reliance on U.S. suppliers.

Published Dec 01, 2025

Last updated 7 hours ago

4 minute read

 

The Canadian Army's Joint Fires Modernization program will acquire modern hardware and software to aid in targeting enemy forces and connect forward observers with artillery units and other systems.Photo by CANADIAN FORCES IMAGERY

A new Canadian Army equipment program that could be worth almost $500 million is designed to select only U.S.-provided equipment, despite claims by Prime Minister Mark Carney the military will be reducing purchases of American systems.

The Joint Fires Modernization program will cost between $250 million and $499 million and see the acquisition of hardware and software to enable the Canadian Army to digitally share data and targeting information between its various units and coalition forces.

But the technology for the Joint Fires Modernization will be acquired through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) process with the U.S. government, according to the draft request for proposals provided to the defence industry.

Not only does that exclude Canadian and European companies from bidding but the FMS process — which is a direct equipment purchase from American companies via the U.S. government —does not require any industrial benefits for Canada.

Multiple defence industry officials contacted the Ottawa Citizen to raise concerns about the Joint Fires Modernization program, complaining that army commander Lt. Gen. Michael Wright and Defence Minister David McGuinty are ignoring domestic firms and European companies for upcoming major equipment programs.

Those contacting the Ottawa Citizen did not want to speak on record about their concerns for fear of jeopardizing future efforts to obtain government contracts.

But a review of the draft request for proposals clearly outlined the requirement for U.S. technology. “All components of the Digital Joint Fire Support C2 software will be used in conjunction with the Advanced Field Artillery Tactical Data System and subsequently the AFATDS Artillery Execution Suite, available to Canada via Foreign Military Sale,” noted one of the requirements.

Other key components of the project require modules and software that only American firms have access to through the U.S. government.

Radios to be used are those operated by the U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Army and which are only available to American suppliers via the U.S. government. Standard Canadian military radios are not included in the requirements.

Neither Wright nor the Canadian Army responded to a request for comment. McGuinty did not respond to a request for comment.

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Initial delivery of the new system would be set for 2026, according to the Canadian Forces.

During a June 9 speech, Prime Minister Mark Carney repeated an earlier promisethat Canada would cut back on using its defence dollars to purchase U.S. military equipment. The U.S. has become increasingly hostile to Canada, with U.S. President Donald Trump continuing with his economic efforts to punish Canada and push for this country to become the 51st state.

“We should no longer send three-quarters of our defence capital spending to America,” Carney said. “The transformation of our military capabilities can help with the transformation of our economy.”

We should no longer send three-quarters of our defence capital spending to America

Mark Carney Prime Minister

But there has been growing frustration among some Canadian defence firms that the Canadian military is ignoring Carney’s call to decrease reliance on U.S. suppliers. Canadian military leaders are extremely close to their U.S. counterparts and despite the prime minister’s direction have advocated for increased ties to the Americans.

The recent sole source purchase of the U.S. High Mobility Artillery Rocket System or HIMARS also contributes to the use of American-only equipment for the Joint Fires Modernization program.

The Joint Fires equipment will be used to co-ordinate artillery and rocket capabilities on the battlefield.

South Korea had pitched Canada on its alternative to HIMARS which Poland recently purchased as part of its arms buildup to counter Russian aggression.

South Korean companies pointed out that they were not only offering industrial benefits to Canada but sovereign control over the technology. That level of control over military systems is a particular area of concern for a number of nations considering some of the issues that have emerged with U.S. equipment. Ukraine, for instance, has used HIMARS in combat against Russian forces, but earlier this year the Americans were able to reduce the effectiveness of the weapon system by limiting the flow of data and intelligence needed for its operations.

Despite the significant amount of U.S. control over HIMARS, the Canadian Army leadership convinced the Liberal government to go ahead and purchase the American system.

However, that equipment won’t be delivered until at least 2029. The estimated total cost is US$1.75 billion or CDN$2.4 billion and the principal contractor is Lockheed Martin, located in Texas.

The Canadian Forces and Department of National Defence did not respond to a request for comment on HIMARS and what industrial benefits, if any, were to be obtained for the more than $2 billion in spending.

The Ottawa Citizen also reported Nov. 19that the Canadian Trade Tribunal issued a recommendation to reboot $100-million Canadian Army project to buy night-vision equipment in the wake of allegations the proposed purchase was designed to favour U.S. manufacturers.

Canadian and European companies had complained about changes brought in by the Department of National Defence which put emphasis on U.S. products, according to government documents discussing the procurement. In a series of written responses to the government, the companies noted the changes restricted the purchase to equipment sourced exclusively from the Americans.

In addition, the companies were told that the level of Canadian content in equipment to be tested would not be taken into consideration during the evaluation of systems.

The federal government is aware of the tribunal decision “and is determining next steps,” Public Services and Procurement Canada spokesperson Michèle LaRose stated in an email.

 

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/canadian-army-u-s-equipment

[BeaverFever]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

 

Concerns raised that another Canadian Army project is being tailored just for U.S. equipment

There has been growing frustration among some Canadian defence firms that the military is ignoring Carney’s call to decrease reliance on U.S. suppliers.

Published Dec 01, 2025

Last updated 7 hours ago

4 minute read

 

The Canadian Army's Joint Fires Modernization program will acquire modern hardware and software to aid in targeting enemy forces and connect forward observers with artillery units and other systems.Photo by CANADIAN FORCES IMAGERY

A new Canadian Army equipment program that could be worth almost $500 million is designed to select only U.S.-provided equipment, despite claims by Prime Minister Mark Carney the military will be reducing purchases of American systems.

The Joint Fires Modernization program will cost between $250 million and $499 million and see the acquisition of hardware and software to enable the Canadian Army to digitally share data and targeting information between its various units and coalition forces.

But the technology for the Joint Fires Modernization will be acquired through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) process with the U.S. government, according to the draft request for proposals provided to the defence industry.

Not only does that exclude Canadian and European companies from bidding but the FMS process — which is a direct equipment purchase from American companies via the U.S. government —does not require any industrial benefits for Canada.

Multiple defence industry officials contacted the Ottawa Citizen to raise concerns about the Joint Fires Modernization program, complaining that army commander Lt. Gen. Michael Wright and Defence Minister David McGuinty are ignoring domestic firms and European companies for upcoming major equipment programs.

Those contacting the Ottawa Citizen did not want to speak on record about their concerns for fear of jeopardizing future efforts to obtain government contracts.

But a review of the draft request for proposals clearly outlined the requirement for U.S. technology. “All components of the Digital Joint Fire Support C2 software will be used in conjunction with the Advanced Field Artillery Tactical Data System and subsequently the AFATDS Artillery Execution Suite, available to Canada via Foreign Military Sale,” noted one of the requirements.

Other key components of the project require modules and software that only American firms have access to through the U.S. government.

Radios to be used are those operated by the U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Army and which are only available to American suppliers via the U.S. government. Standard Canadian military radios are not included in the requirements.

Neither Wright nor the Canadian Army responded to a request for comment. McGuinty did not respond to a request for comment.

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Initial delivery of the new system would be set for 2026, according to the Canadian Forces.

During a June 9 speech, Prime Minister Mark Carney repeated an earlier promisethat Canada would cut back on using its defence dollars to purchase U.S. military equipment. The U.S. has become increasingly hostile to Canada, with U.S. President Donald Trump continuing with his economic efforts to punish Canada and push for this country to become the 51st state.

“We should no longer send three-quarters of our defence capital spending to America,” Carney said. “The transformation of our military capabilities can help with the transformation of our economy.”

We should no longer send three-quarters of our defence capital spending to America

Mark Carney Prime Minister

But there has been growing frustration among some Canadian defence firms that the Canadian military is ignoring Carney’s call to decrease reliance on U.S. suppliers. Canadian military leaders are extremely close to their U.S. counterparts and despite the prime minister’s direction have advocated for increased ties to the Americans.

The recent sole source purchase of the U.S. High Mobility Artillery Rocket System or HIMARS also contributes to the use of American-only equipment for the Joint Fires Modernization program.

The Joint Fires equipment will be used to co-ordinate artillery and rocket capabilities on the battlefield.

South Korea had pitched Canada on its alternative to HIMARS which Poland recently purchased as part of its arms buildup to counter Russian aggression.

South Korean companies pointed out that they were not only offering industrial benefits to Canada but sovereign control over the technology. That level of control over military systems is a particular area of concern for a number of nations considering some of the issues that have emerged with U.S. equipment. Ukraine, for instance, has used HIMARS in combat against Russian forces, but earlier this year the Americans were able to reduce the effectiveness of the weapon system by limiting the flow of data and intelligence needed for its operations.

Despite the significant amount of U.S. control over HIMARS, the Canadian Army leadership convinced the Liberal government to go ahead and purchase the American system.

However, that equipment won’t be delivered until at least 2029. The estimated total cost is US$1.75 billion or CDN$2.4 billion and the principal contractor is Lockheed Martin, located in Texas.

The Canadian Forces and Department of National Defence did not respond to a request for comment on HIMARS and what industrial benefits, if any, were to be obtained for the more than $2 billion in spending.

The Ottawa Citizen also reported Nov. 19that the Canadian Trade Tribunal issued a recommendation to reboot $100-million Canadian Army project to buy night-vision equipment in the wake of allegations the proposed purchase was designed to favour U.S. manufacturers.

Canadian and European companies had complained about changes brought in by the Department of National Defence which put emphasis on U.S. products, according to government documents discussing the procurement. In a series of written responses to the government, the companies noted the changes restricted the purchase to equipment sourced exclusively from the Americans.

In addition, the companies were told that the level of Canadian content in equipment to be tested would not be taken into consideration during the evaluation of systems.

The federal government is aware of the tribunal decision “and is determining next steps,” Public Services and Procurement Canada spokesperson Michèle LaRose stated in an email.

 

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/defence-watch/canadian-army-u-s-equipment

Point of correction in the article, Canada hasn’t purchased HIMARS yet.
 

But regardless, basically what the US is doing is restricting technology such that “interoperable with US” means “must import and only use US-made equipment and software under US-made terms of use”

But at the same time Trump is making US interoperability less relevant by suggesting to NATO countries that any US support in a future conflict will be conditional and transactional and on terms favourable to the US, instead of an alliance. Already NATO leaders are planning how to operate without the US. The World is sick of being under America’s thumb.

As for these American bootlickers in the CAF leadership they need to wake up. 

[BeaverFever]

Ministers Lightbound, McGuinty and Secretary of State Fuhr to announce a strategic partnership to strengthen the Canadian Armed Forces Arctic operations

From: Public Services and Procurement Canada

Media advisory

December 1, 2025  - Gatineau, Quebec   

The Honourable Joël Lightbound, Minister of Government Transformation, Public Works and Procurement, the Honourable David McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, and the Honourable Stephen Fuhr, Secretary of State (Defence Procurement), will announce a strategic partnership to support domestic and continental operations in the Arctic.

There will be a media availability following the announcement.

Please note that all details are subject to change. All times are local.

Date: December 3, 2025
Time: 9:00 a.m.
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/news/2025/11/ministers-lightbound-and-mcguinty-and-secretary-of-state-fuhr-to-announce-a-strategic-partnership-to-strengthen-the-canadian-armed-forces-arctic-co.html

 

 

 

My prediction:  procurement announcement for the Swedish-made BvS10 Beowulf 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2025 by BeaverFever

[Gaétan]

5 hours ago, User said:

Amazing. 
 

You spend the last 2 years cheering on and defend the terrorist thugs in Gaza, want them to keep fighting on and killing Israelis…

And now you want Canada to just surrender to anyone who wants to invade.

 

I don’t understand the motives of the Jews for wanting to settle in Israel in the middle of hostile countries and wanting to learn Hebrew. They should consult psychologists; they will not live in peace there in the way they went about it, those who show their fists get hit. I stand by what I said: if the Chinese, the Russians, or the Americans want to invade Canada, why see them as enemies? We should rather welcome them. The more, the merrier.

Edited December 1, 2025 by Gaétan

[BeaverFever]

Canada reaches deal to join EU military procurement fund
 

Canada has concluded negotiations to join the European Union’s military purchasing fund as the 27-member economic bloc ramps up defence spending, Ottawa says.

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s government, however, is refusing to reveal the entrance fee it will have to pay for its membership in the Secure Action for Europe, or SAFE, program.

As part of SAFE, Canada will be able to make joint weapons purchases with other EU countries to achieve savings through large-scale buying, and Canadian companies will be eligible to bid for contracts financed by the €150-billion fund….

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-eu-military-procurement-fund-defence-spending/

 

[User]

42 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

I don’t understand the motives of the Jews for wanting to settle in Israel in the middle of hostile countries and wanting to learn Hebrew. They should consult psychologists; they will not live in peace there in the way they went about it, those who show their fists get hit. I stand by what I said: if the Chinese, the Russians, or the Americans want to invade Canada, why see them as enemies? We should rather welcome them. The more, the merrier.

The motives?

The point here is YOUR motives. You want to surrender Canada to anyone that wants to take it, abandon the military, but then you cheer on the Gaza terrorists and their fighting. 
 

What is wrong with you?

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Point of correction in the article, Canada hasn’t purchased HIMARS yet.
 

But regardless, basically what the US is doing is restricting technology such that “interoperable with US” means “must import and only use US-made equipment and software under US-made terms of use”

But at the same time Trump is making US interoperability less relevant by suggesting to NATO countries that any US support in a future conflict will be conditional and transactional and on terms favourable to the US, instead of an alliance. Already NATO leaders are planning how to operate without the US. The World is sick of being under America’s thumb.

As for these American bootlickers in the CAF leadership they need to wake up. 

I think it is the other way around the US is sick of paying all the bils, using all it's resources because Laggards within NATO just refuse to step up....Canada being one of the biggest....And those laggard nations are getting pi$$ed off because they are being forced to comply....Canadians being one of those Pi$$ed off nations....Had we been paying our bills we would not be in this position...

Europe is looking for less reliance on the US, the fact that every Euro military industry is blocked solid with new orders is an testament to that fact, but lets not kid our selves even Europe is ordering US military equipment....

Not sure what the end game is for guys that are like minded as you are. Is it to cut all our military purchases off from the US...or just limit them....By the sounds your quote (As for these American bootlickers in the CAF leadership they need to wake up. ) it sounds like you want all purchases from the US stopped...That would be imposable we own and run a sh!T ton of US manufactured equipment, that runs on US spare parts, US weapon systems....do we get rid of all that, But new stuff, because your mad at a guy who said something and in 3 years will be gone....That's a huge grudge....China held hostage 2 Canadians for almost 2 years, executed Canadians on drug charges...and we still do business with them...why such a double standard.. Are we mad at China....Nope Carney visited China in hopes to get rid of tariffs...I guess we only get mad when someone says stuff...

.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c204ywyl4kvo

 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Ministers Lightbound, McGuinty and Secretary of State Fuhr to announce a strategic partnership to strengthen the Canadian Armed Forces Arctic operations

From: Public Services and Procurement Canada

Media advisory

December 1, 2025  - Gatineau, Quebec   

The Honourable Joël Lightbound, Minister of Government Transformation, Public Works and Procurement, the Honourable David McGuinty, Minister of National Defence, and the Honourable Stephen Fuhr, Secretary of State (Defence Procurement), will announce a strategic partnership to support domestic and continental operations in the Arctic.

There will be a media availability following the announcement.

Please note that all details are subject to change. All times are local.

Date: December 3, 2025
Time: 9:00 a.m.
Location: Ottawa, Ontario

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-services-procurement/news/2025/11/ministers-lightbound-and-mcguinty-and-secretary-of-state-fuhr-to-announce-a-strategic-partnership-to-strengthen-the-canadian-armed-forces-arctic-co.html

 

 

 

My prediction:  procurement announcement for the Swedish-made BvS10 Beowulf 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it the BVS10 Viking which is the Military version , or the BVS10 Beowulf which is the civilian version like the one in your picture...

Quote

 

Beowulf

Unarmoured version of the BvS10, with a new cabin.[12] It carries up to 14 people or 8 tons of cargo with a top speed of 65 km/h, and like the Viking is fully amphibious without special preparations.[13]

 

 

Or is it this one which is the Viking a military

Quote

 

 Canada

As part of the DAME programme (Domestic Arctic Mobility Enhancement), the Canadian Army is looking for a successor to its Bv206. The vehicles are expected in four variants, troop transport, command post, cargo transport and ambulance. In June 2023, the Army issued a RFI from the industry. The RFP is planned for 2026, and the contract would be awarded in 2027, with the intent to get a full operational capability by 2030.^[55] In terms of quantity, the expectation is changing, so there is no clear target at the moment.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BvS10

 

[Gaétan]

48 minutes ago, User said:

The motives?

The point here is YOUR motives. You want to surrender Canada to anyone that wants to take it, abandon the military, but then you cheer on the Gaza terrorists and their fighting. 
 

What is wrong with you?

The Israelis are reaping what they have sown; their first mistakes were deporting Palestinians.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

 

 

Is it the BVS10 Viking which is the Military version , or the BVS10 Beowulf which is the civilian version like the one in your picture...

 

Or is it this one which is the Viking a military

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BvS10

 

Per this link, I believe the Beowulf is the variant on offer:

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/bae-systems-teams-with-general-dynamics-land-systems-to-compete-for-canadas-dame-project

I believe Beo is the armoured version, the “flat front” apparently allows for heavier modular frontal armour to be mounted and a v-shaped hull with crew compartment higher up, while the Viking’s long nose shown in  your pic is better for amphibious operations, less water resistance and splashing (but both are amphibious). 
 

The Viking does look cooler though. And since this is for domestic mobility one would think they wouldn’t need armour but they did take the bv206 to Afghanistan so I suppose they’re just covering their bases. 
 

Edit:  for all I know this announcement is just going to be about northern infrastructure or northern supply hubs or something it just come on the same day that Canada gets admitted to SAFE and Sweden was just here so I’m taking a shot in the sark. As I think about it, maybe it is an infrastructure thing. Or maybe Globaleye AWACS that I mentioned earlier. But it sounds like something good. 

Edited December 2, 2025 by BeaverFever

[User]

3 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The Israelis are reaping what they have sown; their first mistakes were deporting Palestinians.

And... you still ignore the point. 

[I am Groot]

On 11/30/2025 at 12:56 PM, John Stone said:

O Canada! Our home and native land!

True patriot love in all thy sons of us command.

 

23 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The Israelis are reaping what they have sown; their first mistakes were deporting Palestinians.

They didn't deport Palestinians, you brainless twat. The arabs fled a war started by - arabs. The only people deported were about a million Jews forced out of surrounding countries by - arabs. 

Edited December 2, 2025 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

On 12/1/2025 at 6:47 PM, BeaverFever said:

Canada reaches deal to join EU military procurement fund
 

 

Canada has concluded negotiations to join the European Union’s military purchasing fund as the 27-member economic bloc ramps up defence spending, Ottawa says.

Prime Minister Mark Carney’s government, however, is refusing to reveal the entrance fee it will have to pay for its membership in the Secure Action for Europe, or SAFE, program.

As part of SAFE, Canada will be able to make joint weapons purchases with other EU countries to achieve savings through large-scale buying, and Canadian companies will be eligible to bid for contracts financed by the €150-billion fund….

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-eu-military-procurement-fund-defence-spending/

 

Has Canada actually BOUGHT any new military kit this year?

As opposed to talking about it?

[Army Guy]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Has Canada actually BOUGHT any new military kit this year?

As opposed to talking about it?

Ya the new Cad pat is being issued.....just the uniform not the outer wear...This is Canada thats big news...

[John Stone]

23 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The Israelis are reaping what they have sown; their first mistakes were deporting Palestinians.

On the contrary, dude..............I'd say Hamas and by extension the so-called Palestinians have sown the wind and reaped the whirlwind?

Ditto Iran, Lebanon (Hezbollah), Yemen (Houthis) 

West Bank? TBD

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2025 by John Stone

[John Stone]

So anyway, Hamas invades Israel, murders 1200 jews  before scurrying  back across the border to shelter in their hovels

Fast forward  - Sept 21, 2025 - Canada recognizes the STATE of Palestine??

WTF??

We rewarded those murdering bastards and set the stage for an encore. 

Maybe they'll leave Canada alone........... was that the play or was it to give Israel a 'backhand'.  

For fk's sake, the so-called Palestine factions are at war with themselves - and Canada recognizes the  STATE of Palestine??

 

Edited December 3, 2025 by John Stone

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

So anyway, Hamas invades Israel, murders 1200 jews  before scurrying  back across the border to shelter in their hovels

Okay but don't forget Zionists started it by invading Palestine and murdering Arabs, British soldiers, even other Jews who got in their way. Zionists stayed which might explain the tit for tat warfare against them ever since.

[John Stone]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Okay but don't forget Zionists started it by invading Palestine and murdering Arabs, British soldiers, even other Jews who got in their way. Zionists stayed which might explain the tit for tat warfare against them ever since.

 

The partition of so-called Palestine was primarily influenced by the UN? The UN proposed a plan for the division of the region into an  Arab state and a Jewish state? Jerusalem was to be governed by a international regime. This plan was drafted by the UN Special Committee on Palestine and was adopted by the UN General Assembly (1947). The proposal was supported by the Jewish community but rejected by the Arab leadership? This then led to war but the establishment of Israel shortly thereafter. During the war for statehood, Israel faced a 5th column and the resident so-called Palestinians were expelled (1948) for security concerns. 

 

 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Okay but don't forget Zionists started it by invading Palestine and murdering Arabs, British soldiers, even other Jews who got in their way. Zionists stayed which might explain the tit for tat warfare against them ever since.

This is historically inaccurate to the point of being an outright, blatant, bloody lie.

[WestCanMan]

On 12/1/2025 at 1:36 PM, BeaverFever said:

There has been growing frustration among some Canadian defence firms that the military is ignoring Carney’s call to decrease reliance on U.S. suppliers.

 

Does that really matter though? 

Keep in mind that's just Carney that's talking, and he's partly doing it from his own personal negative emotions. 

Also, does he even know any more about the military than PP, Trudeau, or E May?

He's just a sleazy banker/politician and liar with no military experience or knowledge whatsoever.

Doesn't it make sense that actual members of the military value their own opinions more than his?

• They've spent decades mastering their profession
• they have tens of thousands of hours of personal and even battlefield experience to rely on
• They've gone to bed at night and woke up in war zones relying on military equipment to keep them alive, and now they're supposed to listen to a guy who's just been sleeping on satin pillows for the last 40 years?

If Mark Carney came to your work and started telling you what suppliers to use or who and how to hire, would you listen to him if it went against everything you know?

America is closer to us in every way. Their factories are 5,000 miles from the nearest international border with a geopolitical adversary. Their industrial capacity is unmatched. Their technology is unmatched. Their weapons systems have been operating at the tip of the spear in all kinds of weather for decades and have the most time - by far - in the theatre of war proving their capabilities, reliability, etc than those of any other country. They update all of the various components of their military equipment regularly. 

The US is Mike Tyson. You know what to expect when he gets into the ring. If prime Mike Tyson fought "a guy with potential", who would you bet on? 

Look at the example of A10 Warthog as something that always looked like something that could be improved on. Maybe by something faster, with more stealth capability, or more whatever or whatever. "Something with more potential". But every time they think about using this or that instead, it doesn't have the loiter time, the armour, the firepower, it needs a longer runway, etc, etc, etc. People in the infantry and air force have a love affair with the A10 that a guy like Carney could never truly appreciate. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

The partition of so-called Palestine was primarily influenced by the UN?

The UN proposed a plan for the division of the region into an Arab state and a Jewish state? 

Why are you following statements with question marks?

In any case...

The Palestinian Partition plan was for the apparent benefit of Great Powers looking for something that put a moral shine on the fact they didn't want to put up any Jewish refugees themselves.

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

Jerusalem was to be governed by a international regime. This plan was drafted by the UN Special Committee on Palestine and was adopted by the UN General Assembly (1947).

It wasn't supposed to be governed that way at all according to the British, Palestinians or Zionists leading up to and following the Balfour Declaration. It was supposed to be two nations within one country known as Palestine.

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

The proposal was supported by the Jewish community but rejected by the Arab leadership? This then led to war but the establishment of Israel shortly thereafter.

No, the Arab Israeli war followed the Zionist terrorist attack at Dier Yassin involving the murder, rape and humiliation of Arab hostages by parading them in the streets. This plus the expulsion of 700000 Palestinians to surrounding countries and declaration of one independent country and nation called Israel is what caused Arab countries to attack Israel. Not what you said.

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

During the war for statehood, Israel faced a 5th column and the resident so-called Palestinians were expelled (1948) for security concerns. 

Following the 700000 that were forced out first by Zionist terrorists in April of 1948, a month before the events you're basing all your justifications for pretending Palestinians and Palestine never existed in the first place.

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

This is historically inaccurate to the point of being an outright, blatant, bloody lie.

Prove it.

Palestinians were expelled or fled from their homes during the 1948 Palestine war, an event known as the Nakba (meaning "catastrophe"). The expulsion began in December 1947 and continued through waves of flight and expulsion into 1948 and beyond. Zionist paramilitary forces, which later merged into the Israel Defense Forces, carried out expulsions and attacks during this period. 

Edited December 3, 2025 by eyeball