John Baird story more proof that the CBC needs to be defunded

[CdnFox]

John Baird story more proof that the CBC needs to be defunded

Looks like CBC heard all the calls from the federal Conservatives to defund them and decided to give them more reason to do so. On Tuesday, CBC torqued a report and a headline to make it look like a key backer of Pierre Poilievre was singing the praises of Justin Trudeau.

“One of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s most prominent supporters praised Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s political leadership during a conference on Tuesday,” CBC reported.

That’s not what Baird said at all. But if you only follow CBC instead of reality, you wouldn’t know that.

Baird is absolutely correct here; CBC is once again acting like a spin machine for the Trudeau Liberals.

 

I mean - they don't even bother to hide it any more.  They are so partisan they'll lie about what someone said to spread their misinformation.

And any number of moarons her will call it a 'Mistake".  "Oh papers make mistakes all the time, this is just a mistake".

I"m getting past de funding to be honest - Just shut them down seize back their assets and sell it off.  Promise to never spend a single gov't dollar on any company that hires any of their ex employees.

Edited July 22, 2023 by CdnFox

[myata]

Because we can. What? But you stubbornly refuse to see the root cause of these problems. No it's only the wrong sticker on the rusty spitting grumbling thingy! Here, that one will fix it.. let's see.

[Queenmandy85]

The CBC later clarified Mr. Baird’S remarks. Why would you want to destroy a great Canadian institution over one story. Especially when the story was about a silly subject like politics. The CBC is a lot more than politics. When a news broadcaster is criticized by both New Democrats for favouring the right wing, and the Socreds for supporting the left wing, you can see it as being neutral.

Politics is a sport. Canada is better at politics than any other country but it is still a sport. Like any sport, it is not whether you win or lose, it is how you play the game. The parties are the teams. My party is the Conservative Party and we have been eliminated from the playoffs.

Whether the Grits or the Socialist Credt Party (calling themselves the CPC) win will have as much impact on the course of government as who wins the Grey Cup. 
Mr. Baird was correct in stating the obvious that Prime Minister Trudeau has been successful but we must always remember that a Government is a Cabinet, not an individual. Sinclair may be the greatest soccer player in history, but only because she is part of a team.

Why would you want to defund the CBC because they broadcast something nice about the liberals? They sometimes report on a story that is positive about the Blue Jays. That is no different.

The CBC is designed to provide something for everybody and has an international reputation for excellence. From the Friendly Giant to The Nature of Things, Coronation Street, As It Happens, Murdoch Mysteries, At Issue, and Frankie Drake. 
The CBC has provided many excellent reporters for major foreign news outlets and several outstanding conservative politicians such as Ron Collister and Peter Kent.

 If the implication of the OP is correct and the CBC has the power to get a party elected, I question the wisdom of alienating the people who can put you in power. Would it not be smarter to cultivate support from them?

[West]

They were also FALSELY claiming a Trudeau heckler called him a "pathetic Jew" when he CLEARLY says the more accurate and truthful "pathetic PUKE"

[SpankyMcFarland]

OK with the CBC gone and the likes of CTV etc. as the main broadcasters, how much local content would I get? And how much demand for change of our atrociously expensive Bell-led cell phone cartel could we expect to see in the coming decades? 

Edited July 22, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[Legato]

32 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mr. Baird was correct in stating the obvious that Prime Minister Trudeau has been successful but we must always remember that a Government is a Cabinet, not an individual. Sinclair may be the greatest soccer player in history, but only because she is part of a team.

 

Take a good look at the cabinet, all the doors and drawers are stuck shut and the handles have fallen off. Even if it were possible to open the doors and drawers, many would be empty and the rest jammed tight with abject stupidity.

The CBC upon finding the doors and drawers open would immediately line them with gold leaf, then run with the headline.....

"Trudeau government a shining example of glittering political achievement."

Edited July 22, 2023 by Legato

[myata]

28 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Politics is a sport. Canada is better at politics than any other country but it is still a sport. Like any sport, it is not whether you win or lose, it is how you play the game. The parties are the teams. My party is the Conservative Party and we have been eliminated from the playoffs.

Don't you just love it? Such an idyll! The result doesn't matter. The problems, who cares. Salaries, benefits, allowances you name it, gross, obscene out of all controls self-gratification among the worst in the developed world, only a innocent trifle don't even mention. The show is important though! The show must go on no matter what the only real raison d'etre of the great democracy. Even if at the expense of the reality itself. Yeah tell us more into the echo chamber how great and among the best in world you are. Like there are any objective measures. Like anybody listening or cares.

[Queenmandy85]

Myata, you seem fixated on money and some kind of “democracy. “ 

The reason we have good governance in this country is because we have a professional civil service filled with people who know what they are doing. They are there to advise the ministers about what works and what doesn’t. Anything you or any politician comes up with has been raised and tried before. 
A professional public service is vital for good governance. The government of the Roman Empire was in chaos for the last 150 years of its existence, yet taxes continued to be collected and services continued to be provided because the civil service held things together.

You fail to differentiate between politics and government. After Mr. Poilievre wins the next election, he will abandon his silly promises and his government will continue the direction of the current government because it is what works. In spite of his slick stand up routine, he is not stupid.  What I do not understand is his campaign to hurt the people whose support he needs to get elected. He should be trying to earn the support of the media, the voters in Toronto and Quebec.

Edited July 22, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The CBC later clarified Mr. Baird’S remarks.

Too late too bad.  You don't get to lie about someone on page one and then 'clarify' sometime later on page 47.

They're doing it to influence the next election and that's wrong.

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Why would you want to destroy a great Canadian institution over one story.

One story?  Nobody would.  100 stories? Now we've got a problem.

They do this ALL the time. They had false stories with the truckers, they had false stories DURING AN ELECTION with smith, they do this ALL THE TIME.

And their 'errors' are always in favour of the left and at the cost of the right.

For that i would absolutely destroy them - they USED to be a 'great institution" - now they're just a left wing propaganda arm that we have to pay for.  Burn it to the ground.

[Queenmandy85]

What about the huge volume of programming that has nothing to do with the news?

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What about the huge volume of programming that has nothing to do with the news?

Bye bye. 

Once an org becomes toxic - it's toxic. But i have no faith having watched them misuse their powers already that htey won't do that again and only fund programming that suits an agenda.

The gov't can absolutely still give grands to shows or media that it feels is uniquely canadian and deserves support, they don't need the cbc for that.

Hey - if you LIKED the cbc - then you've had 7 years to harass the libs whom you support to make positive changes so it didn't need to come to htis.  EVERYONE knows the CBC is very bias, which would be fine if they were private but they're not

It's too late to cry crocodile tears at this point. You don't allow the abuses to go on for 7 years and then when you're about to lose power and it'll get wiped out jump up and down and say 'can't we talk about this?"

Sell it off and scatter it's parts to the wind and say something nice about it in the history books. We're done with it.

[myata]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The reason we have good governance in this country

OMG not again!

[myata]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

After Mr. Poilievre wins the next election, he will abandon his silly promises and his government will continue the direction of the current government

Thanks for the honesty, you really have something for it (unless it's an irony, can't see your expression). Exactly Q.E.D. nothing will change here because it cannot because everybody will be happy with their great government forever. That was the idea at least.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The reason we have good governance in this country is because

We don't have good governance at all.

The emergency act got called on peaceful protesters.

We have monster debt piling up that will cripple us for a generation.

For years the passport offices, airports, borders and a bunch of other offices were international embarrasments that didn't work. And that was AFTER covid.

The current gov't has divided people more than we've ever been in history. People's rights are frequently ignored.

Where exactly is all this 'good governance' you mention?

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Politics is a sport. Canada is better at politics than any other country but it is still a sport. Like any sport, it is not whether you win or lose, it is how you play the game. The parties are the teams. My party is the Conservative Party and we have been eliminated from the playoffs.

You don't seem to trust Canadians very much.

Neither does the government. And Canadians know it and feel it and are getting really tired of it but where and how does a politician even begin to address such a thing?

How come there's no referee btw?

[Queenmandy85]

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You don't seem to trust Canadians very much.

Neither does the government. And Canadians know it and feel it and are getting really tired of it but where and how does a politician even begin to address such a thing?

How come there's no referee btw?

 

 

How do you come to the conclusion that I don’t trust Canadians?

[Queenmandy85]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Bye bye. 

Once an org becomes toxic - it's toxic. But i have no faith having watched them misuse their powers already that htey won't do that again and only fund programming that suits an agenda.

The gov't can absolutely still give grands to shows or media that it feels is uniquely canadian and deserves support, they don't need the cbc for that.

Hey - if you LIKED the cbc - then you've had 7 years to harass the libs whom you support to make positive changes so it didn't need to come to htis.  EVERYONE knows the CBC is very bias, which would be fine if they were private but they're not

It's too late to cry crocodile tears at this point. You don't allow the abuses to go on for 7 years and then when you're about to lose power and it'll get wiped out jump up and down and say 'can't we talk about this?"

Sell it off and scatter it's parts to the wind and say something nice about it in the history books. We're done with it.

Give us some examples of this bias in programs like the Nature of Things , Still Standing, Coronation Street, or Frankie Drake. You like Social Credit. But you seem to believe that if they report on something unfavourable to the socreds, you should have the right to force your views on everyone else. 

And to Canadian Fox, The only time the Emergecies Act has been invoked was to remove the illegal occupation Ottawa. If someone told you it was to respond to some peaceful protest, they lied to you. 

[Moonlight Graham]

CBC News is an embarrassment.  It needs significant reform or abolishment.

Given how news in this country is struggling I'm more leaning towards abolishment.

  

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How do you come to the conclusion that I don’t trust Canadians?

You appear to think there's little if any need to improve transparency and accountability in our governance and that we should be more grateful for the little if any that we're given. You're certainly in good company given the number of other posters who also appear to have little no use for it.

The depth of disbelief that it's even possible to hold our betters to better account speaks to a level of conditioning that's almost biological, as if deference to authority is an evolutionary trait.

To put an even finer point on how by utterly differently we view things - I think the Freedom of Information Act should be about governments having to apply to keep something secret as opposed to the  Orwellian opposite that you know and presumably love.

And please do not presume to think that I'm including matters of national security in this and then ridicule the thought of a deeper more penetrating transparency on that basis. Because it is not what I mean at all.

[Queenmandy85]

What do you believe the government is with holding that you need to know?

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

CBC News is an embarrassment.  It needs significant reform or abolishment.

Given how news in this country is struggling I'm more leaning towards abolishment.

  

Let’s presume you abolish cbc news. Why abolish the rest?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Give us some examples

Nope  We're done with the subject - you had your chance to clean the mess up.  You knew there was plenty of bias and severely unethical behavior at the cbc but it worked in your favour so you thought it was just fine.

We're no longer interested in cleaning anything up.  We don't need any of it - toss the whole useless mess into the garbage and be done with it.  I don't get which ones are 'good' and 'bad' anymore - and i know with certainty if any start misbehaving in the future you'll be just fine with it and won't help to fix anything, so why in god's name would we bother.

Sometimes it's not worth picking the mould off the bread, you just have to throw out the loaf.

[Queenmandy85]

You are speaking for yourself, just as I am. But okay, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Aristides]

Who needs a network that makes everyone happy.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What do you believe the government is with holding that you need to know?

I don't know what it's withholding and THAT'S the problem. The absence of knowing is causing the proliferation of misinformation that is dividing everyone.

Most of all it's worsening the division between the governed from the government. It's partisans who will suffer the most from this as the public's inability to know who or what to trust continues to grow by leaps and bounds.

Politics as it's being 'played' is completely unsustainable.