SCOTUS Ends Affirmative Action

[Nationalist]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/politics/affirmative-action-supreme-court-ruling/index.html

I'm liking this one. Affirmative Action was blatantly racist. Will the liberal mind ever come to grips with the concept of merit?

[Hodad]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/politics/affirmative-action-supreme-court-ruling/index.html

I'm liking this one. Affirmative Action was blatantly racist. Will the liberal mind ever come to grips with the concept of merit?

The person who climbs 30 flights is stairs is not more meritorious than the person who climbs 29 flights with a 40 pound backpack.

The person second to cross the line is not less meritorious than the first across if the "winner" had a 10% head start.

And more importantly, diverse environments are better for institutions and everyone in them. It's worth taking deliberate steps to create them.

[Nationalist]

37 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The person who climbs 30 flights is stairs is not more meritorious than the person who climbs 29 flights with a 40 pound backpack.

The person second to cross the line is not less meritorious than the first across if the "winner" had a 10% head start.

And more importantly, diverse environments are better for institutions and everyone in them. It's worth taking deliberate steps to create them.

Who put the backpack on the person? The absentee father?

How did the winner have a 10% head start? By having a supportive family?

Dude...the case was brought by Orientals.

[Rebound]

50 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/29/politics/affirmative-action-supreme-court-ruling/index.html

I'm liking this one. Affirmative Action was blatantly racist. Will the liberal mind ever come to grips with the concept of merit?

We would all love to live in a colorblind society, but we don’t. Black people are still victimized by institutionalized racism. 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

We would all love to live in a colorblind society, but we don’t. Black people are still victimized by institutionalized racism. 

Ya I keep hearing that. But nobody seems to be able to identify this institutional racism. Except, of course, Affirmative Action, which has now spilled over into the corporate world with this silly equity nonsense.

But hey...for shits and giggles...why don't you try?

[Hodad]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Who put the backpack on the person? The absentee father?

How did the winner have a 10% head start? By having a supportive family?

Dude...the case was brought by Orientals.

Orientals? Jeebus.

The backpack is filled with the various burdens of systemic racism.

For a very basic example adjacent to admissions, consider the intensive tutoring, test prep and essay assistance that middle and upper class kids are afforded. Scoring an extra 50 points on the SAT with all that help does not make them more meritorious than someone who scored 50 fewer without help. It doesn't make them a better prospective student either. 

You can quibble over the details, but the point remains that "merit-based" admissions as you'd define them don't exist. Let schools figure out what makes the best students and the best environments. They are, after all, the ones who know both best.

 

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Orientals? Jeebus.

The backpack is filled with the various burdens of systemic racism.

For a very basic example adjacent to admissions, consider the intensive tutoring, test prep and essay assistance that middle and upper class kids are afforded. Scoring an extra 50 points on the SAT with all that help does not make them more meritorious than someone who scored 50 fewer without help. It doesn't make them a better prospective student either. 

You can quibble over the details, but the point remains that "merit-based" admissions as you'd define them don't exist. Let schools figure out what makes the best students and the best environments. They are, after all, the ones who know both best.

 

Ya...the ones who know best. The same people who said it was best that so many people not be able to speak at their vaunted institutions of higher learning. That people need safe spaces. That students with natural immunity to The Rona, but have no vaxx in them, can't attend their vaunted institutions of higher learning. The same people who dispose of any professor who dare cross the preferred pronoun line. Ya know...I don't really think these people know what's "best".

Now...why don't you identify institutional racism for me?

[herbie]

Not discriminating against black people is discriminating against white people.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ya...the ones who know best. The same people who said it was best that so many people not be able to speak at their vaunted institutions of higher learning. That people need safe spaces. That students with natural immunity to The Rona, but have no vaxx in them, can't attend their vaunted institutions of higher learning. The same people who dispose of any professor who dare cross the preferred pronoun line. Ya know...I don't really think these people know what's "best".

I don't think YOU know WHO KNOWS what's best, because you're not even in the field. All you have is the arrogance to impose your agenda.

I knew a guy who thinks like you and was concerned that a minority applicant would unfairly compete with his kid for a spot in a state subsidized school. I told him that's only a problem if his kid was only marginally qualified cause all the best students would still be accepted. And he agreed.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Now...why don't you identify institutional racism for me?

I can tell you what it's NOT. It's not displacing the marginally qualified white or Asian, with a person of color who MAY BE marginally less qualified but faced societally imposed handicaps like lack of equal opportunity or growing up in a slum without wifi. Handicaps beyond the control of the individual should be considered as part of "merit," doncha think?

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ya I keep hearing that. But nobody seems to be able to identify this institutional racism. Except, of course, Affirmative Action, which has now spilled over into the corporate world with this silly equity nonsense.

But hey...for shits and giggles...why don't you try?

Study CRT. 

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

I don't think YOU know WHO KNOWS what's best, because you're not even in the field. All you have is the arrogance to impose your agenda.

And common sense.

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

 

I knew a guy who thinks like you and was concerned that a minority applicant would unfairly compete with his kid for a spot in a state subsidized school. I told him that's only a problem if his kid was only marginally qualified cause all the best students would still be accepted. And he agreed.

He did, did he? Considering it was oriental Americans who brought this case to the SCOTUS, and considering that Orientals generally do best academically, I'm not sure I believe that.

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

I can tell you what it's NOT. It's not displacing the marginally qualified white or Asian, with a person of color who MAY BE marginally less qualified but faced societally imposed handicaps like lack of equal opportunity or growing up in a slum without wifi. Handicaps beyond the control of the individual should be considered as part of "merit," doncha think?

So you can't say what it is. Huh. Just out of curiosity...what is a woman?

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Study CRT. 

No thanks. 

And still nobody can define institutional racism.

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

Not discriminating against black people is discriminating against white people.

Well that's an odd idea. Reminder.  Make sure your white sheet is clean for your next KKK meeting.

[OftenWrong]

8 hours ago, Rebound said:

We would all love to live in a colorblind society, but we don’t. Black people are still victimized by institutionalized racism. 

Maybe so in America, where the dialogue always concerns itself with race. It's far less prominent here. Although not gone, never completely gone. But life's imperfect in many ways.

You people are obsessed with race, which is why it's tearing your country apart. Even the attempt to mitigate racism in your country- is racism. That's why the misguided intentions of affirmative action cause more problems than they solve.

This is a bold move by the supreme court to uphold the core values, that will make her great again. God bless America.

Edited June 30, 2023 by OftenWrong
Fixed the "white space". Oh my!

[Rebound]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Maybe so in America, where the dialogue always concerns itself with race. It's far less prominent here. Although not gone, never completely gone. But life's imperfect in many ways.

You people are obsessed with race, which is why it's tearing your country apart. Even the attempt to mitigate racism in your country- is racism. That's why the misguided intentions of affirmative action cause more problems than they solve.

This is a bold move by the supreme court to uphold the core values, that will make her great again. God bless America.

Our country enslaved black people, fought a bloody war to end it, then spent a century and a half legally mistreating black people.  They were denied education, jobs, bank loans, housing, restaurant tables, hotel rooms, justice, and more. 
 

I get that there are white people who want to pretend we can wave a wand and eliminate all of the vestiges of that. And they watch videos of police officers murdering black people and they say, “He should have just cooperated with the police.” And when black people propose teaching school children about the history of racism in America, so they can understand, white people reach by calling it the single greatest threat facing America.  
 

So, yeah, America has a race problem.  

[reason10]

11 hours ago, Hodad said:

The person who climbs 30 flights is stairs is not more meritorious than the person who climbs 29 flights with a 40 pound backpack.

The person second to cross the line is not less meritorious than the first across if the "winner" had a 10% head start.

And more importantly, diverse environments are better for institutions and everyone in them. It's worth taking deliberate steps to create them.

That is RACIST.

The modern term DIVERSITY is RACISM.

College admissions are NOT about climbing stairs. They are NOT about crossing a finish line. They are about SAT SCORES. They are about students who applied themselves, studied hard and got the best grades. And to stick an underachiever in their way based on race is NO DIFFERENT FROM JIM CROW LAWS.

[reason10]

Our country enslaved black people, fought a bloody war to end it, then spent a century and a half legally mistreating black people.  They were denied education, jobs, bank loans, housing, restaurant tables, hotel rooms, justice, and more

Hey STUPID! Every person who traded or bought slaves is DEAD. Every SLAVE (who was traded in the United States) is DEAD. Most of the blacks who were denied all that stuff due to DEMOCRAT JIM CROW LAWS is DEAD.

It is the 21st Century, you MOR0N. People born in this century have EQUAL opportunity UNDER THE FCKING LAW. If they goof off and fail, it's THEIR FCKING FAULT, not a bunch of people who have been DEAD for over a century.

I get that there are white people who want to pretend we can wave a wand and eliminate all of the vestiges of that. And they watch videos of police officers murdering black people and they say, “He should have just cooperated with the police.” And when black people propose teaching school children about the history of racism in America, so they can understand, white people reach by calling it the single greatest threat facing America.  

You're a LIAR. Blacks kill the most blacks. The number of blacks killed by white police officers is MINISCULE compared to what blacks do to their own kind, in their own neighborhoods. And THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EXTREMELY RACIST INSTITUTION OF JIM CROW AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

So, yeah, America has a race problem.  

It's called RACIST DEMOCRATS, a bunch of shit for brains liberals STILL LIVING IN THE 1950s AND WANTING TO FEEL IMPORTANT. ALL RACISM today comes from people like you.

 

 

 

 

[OftenWrong]

11 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Our country enslaved black people, fought a bloody war to end it, then spent a century and a half legally mistreating black people.  They were denied education, jobs, bank loans, housing, restaurant tables, hotel rooms, justice, and more. 
 

I get that there are white people who want to pretend we can wave a wand and eliminate all of the vestiges of that. And they watch videos of police officers murdering black people and they say, “He should have just cooperated with the police.” And when black people propose teaching school children about the history of racism in America, so they can understand, white people reach by calling it the single greatest threat facing America.  
 

So, yeah, America has a race problem.  

Your country descended from Britain which created the slave trade industry. It was the same white men, came across the Atlantic and did their thing. But when the Brits chose to voluntarily eliminate slavery, America did not. They continued, because it was to their economic benefit to do so, and it probably benefited their trading partners as well that they could produce the cotton for such a low price.

Civil war was fought for several reasons, eliminating slavery was but one of them. And that was being pushed forward by the republicans, was it not?

Yes, the "Grand Old Party."

It is a black eye upon America that you need slaves to do your bidding, to keep your goods and services low. That's why today the liberals in USA still love their latino workers. Keeping them illegal, keeping their wages down. So I postulate- slavery and racism is part of the fabric of America that makes her tick.

[reason10]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

We would all love to live in a colorblind society, but we don’t. Black people are still victimized by institutionalized racism. 

Affirmative action was institutionalized racism. And the modern Bush/Trump Supreme Court has overturned it. And that was the LAST of institutionalized racism.

(Uh, the phrase "Institutionalized Racism" means RACIST LAWS.)

Of course, we all have an open mind here. If you think there are STILL racist laws on the books at the Federal Level (because we know your RACIST BLUE STATE STILL REEKS OF JIM CROW) here's your opportunity to prove it.

Here's the US Code.

https://uscode.house.gov/
 

Your homework (Yeah, I know, you haven't heard the word "Homework" since you dropped out of elementary school) is to search the code and find laws that say Caucasians can do something but Mongolians and Negros cannot.

Your assignment is due in two days.  It will be graded.

 

[Nationalist]

35 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Your country descended from Britain which created the slave trade industry. It was the same white men, came across the Atlantic and did their thing. But when the Brits chose to voluntarily eliminate slavery, America did not. They continued, because it was to their economic benefit to do so, and it probably benefited their trading partners as well that they could produce the cotton for such a low price.

Civil war was fought for several reasons, eliminating slavery was but one of them. And that was being pushed forward by the republicans, was it not?

Yes, the "Grand Old Party."

It is a black eye upon America that you need slaves to do your bidding, to keep your goods and services low. That's why today the liberals in USA still love their latino workers. Keeping them illegal, keeping their wages down. So I postulate- slavery and racism is part of the fabric of America that makes her tick.

This is really quite true and thank you for putting it all so clearly.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Your country descended from Britain which created the slave trade industry. It was the same white men, came across the Atlantic and did their thing. But when the Brits chose to voluntarily eliminate slavery, America did not. They continued, because it was to their economic benefit to do so, and it probably benefited their trading partners as well that they could produce the cotton for such a low price.

Civil war was fought for several reasons, eliminating slavery was but one of them. And that was being pushed forward by the republicans, was it not?

Yes, the "Grand Old Party."

It is a black eye upon America that you need slaves to do your bidding, to keep your goods and services low. That's why today the liberals in USA still love their latino workers. Keeping them illegal, keeping their wages down. So I postulate- slavery and racism is part of the fabric of America that makes her tick.

The Southern States started the Civil War. Nearly all of them seceded by issuing proclamations or declarations of secession and war from their state legislatures, and all of them stated that slavery was the issue and several them very directly stated that slavery was THE issue. 
 

Mississippi: “In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery.”

All the confederate states said they were leaving the Union because of slavery. It’s a simple fact. You can read the full declarations here. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states#virginia

Edited June 30, 2023 by Rebound

[reason10]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Your country descended from Britain which created the slave trade industry. It was the same white men, came across the Atlantic and did their thing. But when the Brits chose to voluntarily eliminate slavery, America did not. They continued, because it was to their economic benefit to do so, and it probably benefited their trading partners as well that they could produce the cotton for such a low price.

Civil war was fought for several reasons, eliminating slavery was but one of them. And that was being pushed forward by the republicans, was it not?

Yes, the "Grand Old Party."

It is a black eye upon America that you need slaves to do your bidding, to keep your goods and services low. That's why today the liberals in USA still love their latino workers. Keeping them illegal, keeping their wages down. So I postulate- slavery and racism is part of the fabric of America that makes her tick.

What has not been mentioned is the fact that the United States is the ONLY country in the world to outlaw slavery. It STILL takes place in Africa, China, North Korea, etc. These idi0t black athletes who kneel during the national anthem are wearing Nikes that are made by SLAVE LABOR.

The people who STILL bring up slavery as an excuse for discrimination against Whitey are the dumbest carbon based life forms on Earth.

[impartialobserver]

while i agree with this ruling.. the opposing views show a distinct lack of boots-on-the-ground knowledge of the topic. Yes, you have opinions. Yes, you can listen to talk radio and read headlines. But.. just how many work in the accounting dept or financial aid dept at a given university? Very few. The reality is that for colleges to get their numbers up (which is what matters most).. they can't be overly selective in most cases. 

[reason10]

29 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

while i agree with this ruling.. the opposing views show a distinct lack of boots-on-the-ground knowledge of the topic. Yes, you have opinions. Yes, you can listen to talk radio and read headlines. But.. just how many work in the accounting dept or financial aid dept at a given university? Very few. The reality is that for colleges to get their numbers up (which is what matters most).. they can't be overly selective in most cases. 

Well, I gotta admit that's an original concept. (By the way, I haven't listened to talk radio since the DOCTOR OF DEMOCRACY (LImbaugh) died.)

Are you suggesting the ONLY way a university can get its numbers up is to violate the United States Constitution?

Last time I checked, there was NO race requirements from student loan sources. Anyone who fogs a mirror can apply for a student loan.

As far as being selective, are you suggesting that there are TOO FEW people  with high SAT scores in the market, so colleges have to give preferential treatment to a demographic the DEMOCRAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in 1965 deemed to be inferior and unable to score high enough for the entrance exams?

In 1965, that was PRECISELY the view of the racist Lyndon Johnson regime. Blacks and women were INFERIOR, which means it would take LEGALIZED DISCRIMINATION for them to qualify to attend college? Do YOU believe blacks and women and other minorities are INFERIOR to  WHITEY?

[Rebound]

42 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

while i agree with this ruling.. the opposing views show a distinct lack of boots-on-the-ground knowledge of the topic. Yes, you have opinions. Yes, you can listen to talk radio and read headlines. But.. just how many work in the accounting dept or financial aid dept at a given university? Very few. The reality is that for colleges to get their numbers up (which is what matters most).. they can't be overly selective in most cases. 

If you are Harvard AND you want your students to get the best possible education, then you don’t select only legacy students who went to expensive prep schools. That pool might look best on paper, but that doesn’t mean it is.  And if the student body is 100% white and Asian, those students don’t get the benefit of interacting with and learning from students of different walks of life. 

Yale accepted an underprivileged white kid named Bill Clinton, and Harvard accepted an underprivileged black kid named Barack Obama.  Princeton accepted an underprivileged black kid named Michelle. They went all the way to the White House. 
 

These schools also accept many children of privilege, as they should. But the students of privilege who are on the cusp of a Harvard admission will be just fine. They’ll go to another outstanding school and have a tremendous career.  
 

The truth is that the most massive trust funds last two generations at best. There are very few long-standing, genuine dynasties where power and wealth are maintained and grown from one generation to the next.  The Rothschild family is the only one I can think of.  Maybe Ford, but time will tell.  The massive Vanderbilt fortune is gone; the only remaining money is being earned from Gloria’s fashion brand and Anderson Cooper’s journalism. 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Rebound

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Will the liberal mind ever come to grips with the concept of merit?

Sure, we've had that for decades and decades. Ever since we pointed out that the vast majority of the wealth in the hands of the wealthiest 1% was not earned in a meritorious manner. In actual fact much of it was outright stolen.