SCOTUS Ends Affirmative Action

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And hence you've become what is called...a useful id1ot.

You refuse to account for cause and effect, you derationalise all analysis. Its what you Libbies do. You remove any factor that you don't like, replace it with anything to balance your equation...in this case as with endless others, racism...and call it complete.

It's complete horseshit and most people know it now...because they can see it clearly for themselves now.

Cause and effect.

^^ This is complete nonsense.

You set out to demonstrate cause and effect, but the data you provided showed the opposite. It specifically showed that the Black/white unemployment gap existed BEFORE the social programs you tried to blame, and had been more or less steadily at 2x for as long as we've been tracking it. The data you provided showed that there was no correlation to the advent and escalation of the social safety net. 

It's there for everyone to see. Why are you pretending otherwise?

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. I'm satisfied with my explanation and my position is unchanged. Social programs and engineering by Democrats, and Nixon, lead to the collapse of the inner cities and by extension, black Americans.

^Cognitive dissonance extraordinaire AGAIN. LMAO

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

^^ This is complete nonsense.

You set out to demonstrate cause and effect, but the data you provided showed the opposite. It specifically showed that the Black/white unemployment gap existed BEFORE the social programs you tried to blame, and had been more or less steadily at 2x for as long as we've been tracking it. The data you provided showed that there was no correlation to the advent and escalation of the social safety net. 

It's there for everyone to see. Why are you pretending otherwise?

Because I'm not a useful id1ot?

It is clear that social programs have had the opposite affect than was communicated to the public.

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

^Cognitive dissonance extraordinaire AGAIN. LMAO

Another useful id1ot.

[ironstone]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

No offense, but you think Sowell is brilliant because he puts a thin intellectual facade over arguments that you want to hear and accept. You are his target audience. He's more pop-culture ideologue than a real thinker, not trying to investigate, but rather to justify. 

I could turn it around to someone who you likely really look up to. How about Al Sharpton? What elevates him in your eyes? A silver tongue perhaps? Is it the fiery, over-the-top rhetoric?

I would also guess that most black Americans have never been exposed to Thomas Sowell or his writings. This man is well versed in history, unlike race hustler Sharpton.

Isn't it racist to believe that blacks are incapable of achieving success on their own, without having to exclude others in the process?

[Hodad]

7 hours ago, ironstone said:

I could turn it around to someone who you likely really look up to. How about Al Sharpton? What elevates him in your eyes? A silver tongue perhaps? Is it the fiery, over-the-top rhetoric?

I would also guess that most black Americans have never been exposed to Thomas Sowell or his writings. This man is well versed in history, unlike race hustler Sharpton.

Isn't it racist to believe that blacks are incapable of achieving success on their own, without having to exclude others in the process?

I really couldn't give a single crap about Al Sharpton. Indeed, he is no kind of serious thinker. Just an activist. And, intellectually, he's not in the same league as Sowell. But in a sad turn of events, they've ended up playing the same role for opposite teams.

If you wanna take shots at Locke or Kant or Rawls, have at it. Or even pop-ier thinkers like Hitchens or Dawkins. The thing about great thinkers though it's that they're making great arguments to withstand the most rigorous examination. And Sowell hasn't had to do that for a long time. He's more columnist than economist now and the arguments are paper thin.

 

[Hodad]

17 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Because I'm not a useful id1ot?

It is clear that social programs have had the opposite affect than was communicated to the public.

Another useful id1ot.

Honestly, this reply is not even close to making sense. The data you provided shows the opposite of what you claimed. The only rational response is to find data or explanations that further illuminate, or to revise your claim. 

You doing neither is just burying your head in the sand. We been all still see your ass. 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Honestly, this reply is not even close to making sense. The data you provided shows the opposite of what you claimed. The only rational response is to find data or explanations that further illuminate, or to revise your claim. 

You doing neither is just burying your head in the sand. We been all still see your ass. 

BS it doesn't. I didn't say the black community had no unemployment, I said the social net programs have made the black community dependant on them especially inner city black folk and that it shows...in the graph...in the crime rate...in the positioning of abortion clinics...in the DAs who refuse to prosecute...hell in everything about the inner cities.

But you can yell and scream and carry on like observable reality is not reality at all.

BTW...if you're going to lecture people on making sense...you should attempt to do so yourself.

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We been all still see your ass. 

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

BTW...if you're going to lecture people on making sense...you should attempt to do so yourself.

I think you might need to prepare yourself for disappointment

[reason10]

22 hours ago, Hodad said:

^^ This is complete nonsense.

You set out to demonstrate cause and effect, but the data you provided showed the opposite. It specifically showed that the Black/white unemployment gap existed BEFORE the social programs you tried to blame, and had been more or less steadily at 2x for as long as we've been tracking it. The data you provided showed that there was no correlation to the advent and escalation of the social safety net. 

It's there for everyone to see. Why are you pretending otherwise?

That is actually true on a small scale. The Black/White employment gap DID widen during the regime of Unelected Joe

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/09/03/black-white-race-gap-soars-biden/

Biden’s Economy: The Black-White Unemployment Gap Soared in August

The black-white unemployment rate jumped higher in August, highlighting how the Biden administration’s policies have failed to arrest the unequal burden of inflation and the coronavirus resurgence.

Black unemployment jumped to 8.8 percent, up from 8.2 percent in August. The white unemployment rate went the other way: falling to 4.5 percent from 4.8 percent. As a result, black unemployment is almost twice the white rate.

 

If you'd like to know who gave blacks and latinos the BEST job numbers...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/11/01/donald-trump-african-american-black-economic-progress-vote-column/6081310002/

If their final decision comes down to which candidate will continue the economic progress that lifted median Black household incomes to their highest levels on record and pushed Black unemployment rates and poverty rates down to their lowest levels, then there is really just one choice: President Trump.

Unemployment rates for Blacks hovered for months at or near historic lows. Workers with less than a high school diploma and criminal records left the sidelines of the workforce.

Before the coronavirus, the labor force participation rates of Blacks, prime-age workers 25 to 54, and women ticked up from Obama-era lows. Even years into the Obama economic recovery, these workers were still leaving the labor force.

In addition to job creation, entrepreneurship has flourished under Trump. According to the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation’s report on early-stage entrepreneurship in 2019, the average rate of new entrepreneurs under the president’s first three years surpassed the averages for the previous two presidents. Women-owned businesses also surged, adding more than 1,800 new businesses each day in 2017 and 2018, well outpacing the rate under Obama. Remarkably, firms owned by women of color grew at double the rate of women overall. 

The black white employment gap wavers, depending who is elected legally and who isn't.

 

[reason10]

21 hours ago, robosmith said:

^Cognitive dissonance extraordinaire AGAIN. LMAO

He's RIGHT and you know it,  bat guano for brains.

This is correct

No. I'm satisfied with my explanation and my position is unchanged. Social programs and engineering by Democrats, and Nixon, lead to the collapse of the inner cities and by extension, black Americans.

whether you're too STUPID to understand or not.

 

[Hodad]

42 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

BS it doesn't. I didn't say the black community had no unemployment, I said the social net programs have made the black community dependant on them especially inner city black folk and that it shows...in the graph...in the crime rate...in the positioning of abortion clinics...in the DAs who refuse to prosecute...hell in everything about the inner cities.

But you can yell and scream and carry on like observable reality is not reality at all.

BTW...if you're going to lecture people on making sense...you should attempt to do so yourself.

 

Dude, you claimed that social programs cause Black unemployment. If you use your eyeballs to look at the graph you mentioned, you can plainly see that there is no correlation. Black unemployment was about 2x white unemployment before the social safety net existed and remains about 2x for decades afterward.

Which is literally what the authors explain.

So you don't have correlation, and you can't posit an explanatory mechanism. So WTF are you doing? 

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

31 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Dude, you claimed that social programs cause Black unemployment. If you use your eyeballs to look at the graph you mentioned, you can plainly see that there is no correlation. Black unemployment was about 2x white unemployment before the social safety net existed and remains about 2x for decades afterward.

Which is literally what the authors explain.

So you don't have correlation, and you can't posit an explanatory mechanism. So WTF are you doing? 

 

Even Harvard agrees with me.

https://hbr.org/1995/05/the-competitive-advantage-of-the-inner-city

Now enough silliness.

[reason10]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Even Harvard agrees with me.

https://hbr.org/1995/05/the-competitive-advantage-of-the-inner-city

Now enough silliness.

[reason10]

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Even Harvard agrees with me.

https://hbr.org/1995/05/the-competitive-advantage-of-the-inner-city

Now enough silliness.

WTF? Are you just trolling now? 

A) Harvard is an university, it doesn't hold opinions.

B. The article is from the Harvard Business Review which is a great journal, but the article is nearly 30 years old. Really?

C) In no way, shape or form does the article "agree with you." Not even a little. The article is entirely about economic redevelopment planning and strategy in inner cities. Nowhere does it even come close to analyzing the effect of social programs on unemployment, relationships etc. Amidst thousands of world there are like two sentences that make the point that social programs are critical, but not sufficient without a comprehensive redevelopment strategy: "social programs will continue to play a critical role in meeting human needs and improving education."

 

An article about weather patterns in Spain would do as much to support your argument. 

So, again, WTF are we doing here? If you are making a claim that you can't defend, reevaluate your beliefs. Don't make shit up and post random articles hoping no one will read them.

Yes, enough silliness.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Hodad

[robosmith]

22 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Because I'm not a useful id1ot?

It is clear that social programs have had the opposite affect than was communicated to the public.

Another useful id1ot.

^Intellectual bankruptcy as proven by juvenile name calling. AKA, NO reason.

You were given a sound argument and utterly failed to refute it with FACTS.

Merely CLAIMING something is "clear," does NOT approach demonstrating it is FACT. Duh.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Yes, enough silliness.

I feel almost like a cheater or a loafer letting you do the heavy lifting with these types.

[Rebound]

On 7/1/2023 at 10:47 PM, Nationalist said:

I don't think a lot of inner city colored people have stable family lives. Dad's in jail. Sisters dad is too. Mom collects baby checks, welfare and parties. Role models are gang bangers. And the vicious cycle continues.

For those lucky enough to have both parents, success would be much easier. 

Yes. The condition of many African Americans is structural and institutionalized: Black people are unjustifiably stopped by police officers far more often.  They get arrested more often. Convicted more often. Longer sentences than white people.  Unjustifiably beaten or shot to death more often. Those are institutionalized problems, and they are facts. 
 

Gang bangers are not the only role models of inner city youth. They also admire professional athletes and the Obama’s, and many others.
 

So, let’s use YOU as an example: You’re a 14 year-old African American living in Baltimore and your dad, who you never met, is in jail. Your mother did not graduate from high school.  What’s your game plan? How will you break out of poverty when every white person you see treats you with suspicion and fear?  

Sure, you can sit on your 35 year-old white ass and pretend you know, but you don’t know. You can write down how you’d get from inner city school to Harvard, or even a state college, but how can you imagine paying for something like that when your mother can’t even afford groceries? You don’t know, and you know you don’t know. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Rebound

[Nationalist]

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

WTF? Are you just trolling now? 

A) Harvard is an university, it doesn't hold opinions.

B. The article is from the Harvard Business Review which is a great journal, but the article is nearly 30 years old. Really?

C) In no way, shape or form does the article "agree with you." Not even a little. The article is entirely about economic redevelopment planning and strategy in inner cities. Nowhere does it even come close to analyzing the effect of social programs on unemployment, relationships etc. Amidst thousands of world there are like two sentences that make the point that social programs are critical, but not sufficient without a comprehensive redevelopment strategy: "social programs will continue to play a critical role in meeting human needs and improving education."

 

An article about weather patterns in Spain would do as much to support your argument. 

So, again, WTF are we doing here? If you are making a claim that you can't defend, reevaluate your beliefs. Don't make shit up and post random articles hoping no one will read them.

Yes, enough silliness.

Pathetic.

13 hours ago, robosmith said:

^Intellectual bankruptcy as proven by juvenile name calling. AKA, NO reason.

You were given a sound argument and utterly failed to refute it with FACTS.

Merely CLAIMING something is "clear," does NOT approach demonstrating it is FACT. Duh.

Useful id1ot.

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

Yes. The condition of many African Americans is structural and institutionalized: Black people are unjustifiably stopped by police officers far more often.  They get arrested more often. Convicted more often. Longer sentences than white people.  Unjustifiably beaten or shot to death more often. Those are institutionalized problems, and they are facts. 
 

Gang bangers are not the only role models of inner city youth. They also admire professional athletes and the Obama’s, and many others.
 

So, let’s use YOU as an example: You’re a 14 year-old African American living in Baltimore and your dad, who you never met, is in jail. Your mother did not graduate from high school.  What’s your game plan? How will you break out of poverty when every white person you see treats you with suspicion and fear?  

Sure, you can sit on your 35 year-old white ass and pretend you know, but you don’t know. You can write down how you’d get from inner city school to Harvard, or even a state college, but how can you imagine paying for something like that when your mother can’t even afford groceries? You don’t know, and you know you don’t know. 

As I said...

 

11 hours ago, Rebound said:

And the vicious cycle continues

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/24/race-and-violent-crime/

So...let's say you're a cop. You wake up...kiss your wife on your way to work and as you do, you promise to come home safe.

Later that day, you spot a Mercedes flying down the freeway. You pull the car over and approach. Do you draw your gun yet? Probably. You get there to find a 20-something black young man in dark shades. How much trepidation do you feel? Do you search the car? 

One of the biggest hurtles is that all the cops know the stats in the link above. And you, as a cop, promise every morning to come home safe. Which translates to enhanced awareness and trepidation when dealing with black people.

It's a vicious cycle that, IMO, can only be broken by a change of social norms (promotion of whole families) and investment in businesses in down trodden neighborhoods. Even then...it would take a decade to see normal social behaviors and less suspicion. 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Nationalist

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Pathetic.

Useful id1ot.

 

You're just lashing out because you've been caught fudging. Grow up.

As before, if you find you can't support your argument with theory or evidence, best to revise your position.

 

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

 

You're just lashing out because you've been caught fudging. Grow up.

As before, if you find you can't support your argument with theory or evidence, best to revise your position.

 

Or just accept that you are a useful id1ot. Which I accept.

[ironstone]

On 7/4/2023 at 3:57 AM, Hodad said:

I really couldn't give a single crap about Al Sharpton. Indeed, he is no kind of serious thinker. Just an activist. And, intellectually, he's not in the same league as Sowell. But in a sad turn of events, they've ended up playing the same role for opposite teams.

One other big difference between the two is that one is revered by the Democrats, the other is sadly ignored by the Republicans.

Why Are Democrats Kissing The Ring Of Al Sharpton? (thefederalist.com)

It’s sad to see 2020 Dems kissing Sharpton’s … ring (nypost.com)

So why is this career race hustler so revered by the Democratic party? You said yourself, he's no kind of serious thinker, yet he has many top and up and coming Democrats fawning over him?

[reason10]

18 hours ago, Hodad said:

WTF? Are you just trolling now? 

A) Harvard is an university, it doesn't hold opinions.

B. The article is from the Harvard Business Review which is a great journal, but the article is nearly 30 years old. Really?

C) In no way, shape or form does the article "agree with you." Not even a little. The article is entirely about economic redevelopment planning and strategy in inner cities. Nowhere does it even come close to analyzing the effect of social programs on unemployment, relationships etc. Amidst thousands of world there are like two sentences that make the point that social programs are critical, but not sufficient without a comprehensive redevelopment strategy: "social programs will continue to play a critical role in meeting human needs and improving education."

 

An article about weather patterns in Spain would do as much to support your argument. 

So, again, WTF are we doing here? If you are making a claim that you can't defend, reevaluate your beliefs. Don't make shit up and post random articles hoping no one will read them.

Yes, enough silliness.

You're such a whiny bee itch when you lose an argument.

[reason10]

Yes. The condition of many African Americans is structural and institutionalized: Black people are unjustifiably stopped by police officers far more often.  They get arrested more often. Convicted more often. Longer sentences than white people.  Unjustifiably beaten or shot to death more often. Those are institutionalized problems, and they are facts. 

That RACIST lie has been debunked so many times. And idi0ts like you have yet to provide ANY real evidence of this happening.

Blacks COMMIT MORE CRIMES, @ss hole. They are arrested more because THEY COMMIT MORE CRIMES.

Produce some proof that blacks are convicted more often, based on an EQUAL figure of the number of trials per race. Produce some PROOF that blacks are given longers sentences than whites, based on a figure of  an EQUAL number of trials per race.

You can't because you are a RACIST LIAR who just made this shit up.

So, let’s use YOU as an example: You’re a 14 year-old African American living in Baltimore and your dad, who you never met, is in jail. Your mother did not graduate from high school.  What’s your game plan? How will you break out of poverty when every white person you see treats you with suspicion and fear?

Another LIE. There is no such thing as EVERY WHITE PERSON TREATS YOU....

Sure, you can sit on your 35 year-old white ass and pretend you know, but you don’t know. You can write down how you’d get from inner city school to Harvard, or even a state college, but how can you imagine paying for something like that when your mother can’t even afford groceries? You don’t know, and you know you don’t know. 

You don't know either, you RACIST LIAR.

Poverty isn't something that affects ONLY BLACKS. Are you STUPID? Poverty affects ALL races.

The most BRILLIANT Supreme Court justice  of all time(the man who was LYNCHED BY KKK BIDEN)

was born in a poor community in Georgia. His mother and father abandoned him. He was raised by his grandfather. And somehow, he got off his ass and worked his way to achievement.

He is a fine example for young blacks today.  If he can do it, ANYONE can do it.