Poilievre tells Trudeau to 'butt out' of New Brunswick's policy on LGBTQ students

myata · July 1, 2023

So again: why is LGB++ the central topic in the country now? Right after the pandemic central? What's going on? And what's next?

eyeball · July 1, 2023

7 minutes ago, myata said:

So again: why is LGB++ the central topic in the country now? Right after the pandemic central? What's going on? And what's next?

Like I said the pandemic is over and it's time for deplorables to take up a new cause. This cause will pass too but it looks like we'll be faced with deplorablism for at least the duration of the boomer generation would be my guess.

CdnFox · July 1, 2023

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Your reply has absolutely no bearing on what I said to Groot or why.

How very common of you.

And once again you regret what you said and don't want to own up to it.

How very common of you.

eyeball · July 1, 2023

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

And once again you regret what you said and don't want to own up to it.

This reply still has no bearing on what I said to Groot or why. It doesn't even bear on your previous reply.

You're supposed to play the ball, not with yourself.

Zeitgeist · July 1, 2023

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Like I said the pandemic is over and it's time for deplorables to take up a new cause. This cause will pass too but it looks like we'll be faced with deplorablism for at least the duration of the boomer generation would be my guess.

This is why it’s hard not to see you as a terrible person: You call everyone who doesn’t agree with your radical left perspective deplorable, bigots, etc.

myata · July 1, 2023

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Like I said the pandemic is over and it's time for deplorables to take up a new cause.

It's more than the pandemic, sure. The nonsense political system can only survive by creating "issues" out of thin air and then solving them, there in the air and paper policies. Don't even mention the real ones. This is not what they were elected" for.

I am Groot · July 1, 2023

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yes that is really weird. Nothing ever translates properly to you people because being freaked out angry bigots does weird things to your ability to think straight.

It's funny but almost no one here is acting freaked out. And you seem angrier than anyone on this side of the political fence. But you often do. LIke much of the Left there is a totalitarian streak running through you, a contempt for anyone who disagrees. You're on the side of goodness and light, after all, so anyone else must be evil.

CdnFox · July 1, 2023

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

This reply still has no bearing on what I said to Groot or why. It doesn't even bear on your previous reply.

You're supposed to play the ball, not with yourself.

Lie to yourself if you must kiddo.

And you'd know all about playing with yourself.

eyeball · July 1, 2023

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is why it’s hard not to see you as a terrible person: You call everyone who doesn’t agree with your radical left perspective deplorable, bigots, etc.

Radical? ?

You dingbats imagine school nurses are dishing out hormone blockers and arranging secret reassignment surgery appointments for children.

...radical...?

eyeball · July 1, 2023

1 hour ago, myata said:

The nonsense political system can only survive by creating "issues" out of thin air and then solving them, there in the air and paper policies. Don't even mention the real ones. This is not what they were elected" for.

That would be the deplorable political 'system'. And no you have no solutions except more anger and sillier nonsense.

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

It's funny but almost no one here is acting freaked out. And you seem angrier than anyone on this side of the political fence. But you often do. LIke much of the Left there is a totalitarian streak running through you, a contempt for anyone who disagrees. You're on the side of goodness and light, after all, so anyone else must be evil.

Ah, rubber and glue...it's what deplorables do.

eyeball · July 1, 2023

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Lie to yourself if you must kiddo.

And you'd know all about playing with yourself.

Like I said rubber and glue, it's all you do.

CdnFox · July 1, 2023

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Radical? ?

You dingbats imagine school nurses are dishing out hormone blockers and arranging secret reassignment surgery appointments for children.

...radical...?

Ummm - you know that already happened right?

https://nationalpost.com/news/schools-consent-transgender-gender-transition

Funny how you keep pretending actual things that are actually happening are somehow imaginary.

Let me guess - you'll claim it's not true because the national post is a radical right wing rag?

myata · July 2, 2023

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

And no you have no solutions except more anger and sillier nonsense.

Only because you're blind and deaf. Deliberately and by choice too. No miracle cure in such cases I'm afraid.

Edited July 2, 2023 by myata

eyeball · July 2, 2023

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Ummm - you know that already happened right?

https://nationalpost.com/news/schools-consent-transgender-gender-transition

Funny how you keep pretending actual things that are actually happening are somehow imaginary.

Let me guess - you'll claim it's not true because the national post is a radical right wing rag?

No, it's you who's full of crap because the story you posted says nothing at all about school nurses dishing out hormone blockers and teachers arranging secret reassignment surgery appointments for children.

What it does report is how kids families are brought into the circle by provincial health authorities and doctors long before any decisions about reassignment treatment or surgery are made. There's no secrecy, just privacy. Maybe you didn't read your own article but it should be shattering all your illusions. OTOH maybe you did read it but you'll nonetheless just keep doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on your bullshit because you're so deplorable.

BTW you boneheads do realize deplorables are often quite proud of being deplorable right? So be loud be proud! You go girls!

eyeball · July 2, 2023

6 hours ago, myata said:

Only because you're blind and deaf. Deliberately and by choice too. No miracle cure in such cases I'm afraid.

So it's not really the issue itself... Is it really just the politics that motivates you people the most?

CdnFox · July 2, 2023

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, it's you who's full of crap because the story you posted says nothing at all about school nurses dishing out hormone blockers and teachers arranging secret reassignment surgery appointments for children.

It's all part of the same thing, trying to pretend that tecnical details change anything is pathetic.

THey're keeping the kids' medical situation away from the parents. And they absolutely are referring them to doctors who will also proceed without letting parents know.

Not just in Canada - but in the us too

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10665389/School-nurse-suspended-revealing-student-11-puberty-blockers.html

If you help a kid find a doctor who will issue the blockers and you do it without parental consent then you're obviously complicit in it.

But I love that you're TRYING DESPERATELY to claim "Well - the teacher didn't technically issue them themselves technically"

When a teacher says "Here - you go to this doctor and tell them you need hormone blockers and that your teacher sent you but they're not to tell the parents until you've made a decision - then the concerns being raised by parents is real and happening right now.

And NOW there are places which don't even require parental consent for teachers to refer them to

https://c2cjournal.ca/2022/04/reckless-consent-issues-with-gender-affirming-treatment/

Sorry kiddo - you strike out again This is a real thing and the parents fears are 100 percent justified by what's happening RIGHT NOW.

Makes you wonder what other things the teachers aren't telling parents about.

eyeball · July 2, 2023

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

THey're keeping the kids' medical situation away from the parents. And they absolutely are referring them to doctors who will also proceed without letting parents know.

Bullshit.

myata · July 2, 2023

People in pretty much all of the world 200 or so nations had notions like age of majority for a reason. Only an accomplished dumbo or a politician with a banner (is it an or, really?) could claim otherwise.

Then, this is a complex and individual issue that simply cannot be managed effectively by an ideological drive of any kind happy left or religious right. The system that we have simply does not allow for that level of responsibility and sophistication. It will always be one or the other, and that's just too bad. It will miss the proclaimed intent and do little good.

There are adults who cannot make good decisions about their choices till late into their lives or ever. To expect that a young child could do that and bear full responsibility for their choice is a bizarre nonsense. Idiocy. No, nothing less I insist.

CdnFox · July 2, 2023

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Bullshit.

Truth, your lying about it doesn't change that.

But hey - if that's the case, if you really believe that then there should be NO problem in your mind saying that any medical information or information about medical conditions must immediately be cpnveyed to the parents. I mean, if teachers aren't hiding anything and aren't counselling for medical advice behind parents backs it won't actually affect anything at all!

So you'd support that right? Right? Heeellllooooo..

eyeball · July 2, 2023

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Truth

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

THey're keeping the kids' medical situation away from the parents. And they absolutely are referring them to doctors who will also proceed without letting parents know.

Sure but you're tacitly implying this means Canadian doctors are amputating the dicks and tits of 11 year olds without anyone saying anything at all about it to their parents.

That's complete bullshit.

Michael Hardner · July 2, 2023

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's complete bullshit.

But... Parents' rights?

Because after all, if I should be allowed to discipline my kid I should be allowed to threaten to cut his d*ck off because threat of spanking doesn't scare him anymore...

CdnFox · July 2, 2023

30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure but you're tacitly implying this means Canadian doctors are amputating the dicks and tits of 11 year olds without anyone saying anything at all about it to their parents.

If the kids are 14 or older that's a thing that happens. They don't need to inform the parents. This has happened - gender affirmation clinics in ontario have been accepting kids as young as 14 without consent.

If the kids are younger than that - then they are talking to a doctor without the parents knowledge or input and that doctor is going to influence that kid one way or another. And if the parent disagrees and even questions if the kid is just going through a phase or not then the gov't can take the kid away. Even if they don't the threat of it is massive.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/ontario-passes-law-government-seize-children-parents-oppose-gender-transition.html

again - this has happened.

And medical professionals DON"T always know whats best. Far too many have been convincing children AND parents that this is the right course of action only to find that the latest research shows otherwise, and some are even getting sued for it.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-transgender-treatment

And report after report notes that any medical professional who wants to research or ask questions that interfere with the political narrative is immediately and strongly discouraged and even punished.

So when you pretend that there's no medical treatment, this isn't a medical issue, nothing is happening with the kids and that parents are always informed .... that's all very dishonest. It is happening, and parents have every right to e concerned.

LIke i said - if you believed what you were saying you woudln't have an issue with a law saying they have to inform the parents.

OftenWrong · July 2, 2023

The model for privacy should be the same as before. Teachers should not be privy to any secrets regarding a child in school without parents awarenesd, unless there is a child safety issue such as abusive parent at home.

Once the child raises a personal issue like this to a teacher, they need to bring in a professional councillor. It should be out of the teacher's hands.

CdnFox · July 2, 2023

25 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

The model for privacy should be the same as before. Teachers should not be privy to any secrets regarding a child in school without parents awarenesd, unless there is a child safety issue such as abusive parent at home.

Once the child raises a personal issue like this to a teacher, they need to bring in a professional councillor. It should be out of the teacher's hands.

Exactly. They're educators, not activists, not medical experts and most of all not parents.

The funny thing is I hear teachers all the time complaining that parents expect them to be the parents and how much they hate it. Yet the moment someone says hey you're not the parent they freak out and have crying fits on the Internet as we saw in New Brunswick.