Canada's population will hit record 40M on Friday: StatCan

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, RedDog said:

Canada should accept immigrants from about 8 countries on earth. 

Then Alberta better dig us some more oil, because our growth will flatten and tax-base will shrink. 
We will need the richer parts of Canada, like Alberta, to pay more taxes.  

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Don't know what information you are getting but cdnfox has shown information debunking you.

No, he hasn't. He and I are not speaking of the same thing.  What I have said in this topic from the beginning is we need to be more careful about who we let in because some of them are bringing Canada down in various ways. The point of immigration is to improve Canada. We don't do that by bringing in people who will forever be poor and forced to live in miserable conditions. We do not improve Canada by bringing in people who will resort to crime, or people who have fundamental religious values which are inimical to our own.

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

We (Canada) are not the UN. To be a refugee a person or family has"to meet the definition, a person must be outside their country of origin and have a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion."  So, you say, send them somewhere else, as long as it is not to my house??

I care about the well-being of Canada.  I don't see that well-being improved by bringing in hundreds of thousands of unskilled, third-world laborers to live in public housing. I do not have White Knight syndrome. I have no interest in saving these people from themselves. 

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Shoot them?? Shoot who? What are you implying here??

I'm asking you what you suggest we do with Canadians who are economic failures.

39 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Then Alberta better dig us some more oil, because our growth will flatten and tax-base will shrink. 
We will need the richer parts of Canada, like Alberta, to pay more taxes.  

Our growth has already flatlined. We have the GDP of Alabama and are sinking further and further back every year as everyone else increases their productivity. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by I am Groot

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Our growth has already flatlined.

And @RedDog suggests we make it even worse.  
 

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

We have the GDP of Alabama and are sinking further and further back every year as everyone else increases their productivity.

 Your sky-is-falling nonsense notwithstanding, we have the 10th largest economy in the world and are one of the richest nations.

[I am Groot]

13 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

And @RedDog suggests we make it even worse.  
 

 Your sky-is-falling nonsense notwithstanding, we have the 10th largest economy in the world and are one of the richest nations.

 We have the worst productivity increases in the OECD. We have a massive, and ballooning debt. Our housing industry, which is the only thing the Liberals seem to care about sustaining, is strangling Canadians with its out-of-control costs. The average home used to be twice the average salary. Now it's ten times. Our healthcare system is on the edge of collapse. And business is strangling on government red tape and the costs to fulfill the regulatory burden imposed on them.

Largest economy? What difference does that make? Yeah, increasing the number of people through wide open immigration increases the size of the economy. So what? It's not increasing the GDP per person, and that is what matters. It's increasing crowding, increasing demand on public services, increasing infrastructure and healthcare needs, increasing pollution, and it does the existing citizens of Canada no good at all unless its carefully managed. And its not.

Edited June 27, 2023 by I am Groot

[-TSS-]

I looked into the statistics of demographics of Canada. Just like in every other western country the birth-rate is well below the replacement-level of 2.1. There really isn't a country which could be called western which would have a birth-rate above that critical level.

 

However, the age-structure of the population of Canada is that young that despite the low birth-rate births still outnumber deaths unlike in many European countries including Finland where it is the other way round.

Even though immigrants especially from Middle-Eastern and African countries have a much higher birth-rate than the indigenous population (I know in Canada's case you can't use that term but let's not go into that, you know what I mean) even the birth-rate of those immigrants is lower than what it is in the countries of their origin and the second and the third generation immigrants don't have that much higher birth-rate than the population on the whole.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

I looked into the statistics of demographics of Canada. Just like in every other western country the birth-rate is well below the replacement-level of 2.1. There really isn't a country which could be called western which would have a birth-rate above that critical level.

 

However, the age-structure of the population of Canada is that young that despite the low birth-rate births still outnumber deaths unlike in many European countries including Finland where it is the other way round.

Even though immigrants especially from Middle-Eastern and African countries have a much higher birth-rate than the indigenous population (I know in Canada's case you can't use that term but let's not go into that, you know what I mean) even the birth-rate of those immigrants is lower than what it is in the countries of their origin and the second and the third generation immigrants don't have that much higher birth-rate than the population on the whole.

All true but what's the relevance?

[myata]

A crazy Liberal experiment that either will work or end in a serious crisis, but the mansions have been bought and the pensions dripping. Tie your eyes and press on the gas. You're sure to arrive somewhere.

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Even though immigrants especially from Middle-Eastern and African countries have a much higher birth-rate than the indigenous population (I know in Canada's case you can't use that term but let's not go into that, you know what I mean)

Indigenous is a perfectly acceptable term for colonists and immigrants to use.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Indigenous is a perfectly acceptable term for colonists and immigrants to use.

Well not immigrants - people born here are indigenous arguably but not if you immigrated from somewhere else.

For gods sake man, buy a dictionary

[cougar]

On 6/27/2023 at 3:13 PM, TreeBeard said:

Then Alberta better dig us some more oil, because our growth will flatten and tax-base will shrink. 
We will need the richer parts of Canada, like Alberta, to pay more taxes.  

No need.  We will be using the exrements of those additional 10 million people to burn and fuel the economy.

[cougar]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well not immigrants - people born here are indigenous arguably but not if you immigrated from somewhere else.

For gods sake man, buy a dictionary

He seems to be confusing "indigenous" with "invasive"; I agree.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, cougar said:

He seems to be confusing "indigenous" with "invasive"; I agree.

I think it's probably optimistic that he's got his confusions that well organized.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

...people born here are indigenous

That's not what indigenous means ?

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

For gods sake man, buy a dictionary

in·dig·e·nous

/inˈdijənəs/

adjective

1.

originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.

"coriander is indigenous to southern Europe"

Similar:

native

endemic

local

domestic

Opposite:

nonnative

introduced

imported

2.

(of people) inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.

...buy a dictionary...?

[cougar]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

2.

(of people) inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.

...buy a dictionary...?

So you are now saying it is not the dictionary but your misinterpretation of it?

There is no help for that I can think of.

[SNOWFLAKE]

JAYSUS PEOPLE! Freaking out over 40 million people? Freaking out over the definition of indigenous? 

Here is a solution: Build a wall. Expel all Muslims and non-white immigrants. Let's do like our neighbours to the south are doing - MCGA - Make Canada Great Again.

Btw, anyone that is curious enough might spend some time doing some research online about population growth. It's going to slow by 2050 and be in negative growth by 2100. Not that it matters, with what we are doing to this planet, we won't have a liveable planet to enjoy by then. 

Now can we just get back to enjoying the great outdoors of our great land and NOT worry about all them darn immigrants and indigenous. Just chill for crying out loud. The way we are carrying on you would think we were Americans, sheesh!

Edited July 2, 2023 by SNOWFLAKE

[I am Groot]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Indigenous is a perfectly acceptable term for colonists and immigrants to use.

Thanks for proving again that the English language remains a mystery to the Left.

Edited July 2, 2023 by I am Groot

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's not what indigenous means ?

in·dig·e·nous

/inˈdijənəs/

adjective

1.

originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.

"coriander is indigenous to southern Europe"

 

Sure - and people born here originate from here. Where did you think people who were born here originated from   ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thus continues your long standing tradition of posting facts that prove me right and you wrong . Honestly, it's bad enough that you can't make your own arguments, do you really have to argue against yourself as well?

I mean I kind of get it - your logic and positions are so bad that once you read what you wrote you must desperately wish you were on the other side.    

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

So you are now saying it is not the dictionary but your misinterpretation of it?

There is no help for that I can think of.

How does your dictionary misinterpret the word indigenous?

[-TSS-]

Canada will be all right. It will always be an attractive destination for immigration which will patch up the low birth-rate unlike many European countries where the birth-rates are so low while the population is ageing that the best advice is to stay in shape because in the 2030s and onwards being in some nursery home is going to be very nasty.

Countries such as Italy and Spain are projected to have their population halved by the end of the century.

 

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Sure - and people born here originate from here. Where did you think people who were born here originated from   ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And thus continues your long standing tradition of posting facts that prove me right and you wrong  l

Sure have it your way.

Children born to birth tourists are as indigenous and native to Canada as you are.

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure have it your way.

 

You mean the way the dictionary reference you posted says?  Gee thanks.

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Children born to birth tourists are as indigenous and native to Canada as you are.

That's why we give them citizenship.   (although some argue that just because you are born here doesn't mean you should have citizenship).  

But unless you're going to make some weird argument about how people are human beings at conception so wherever they were conceived is their origin.  In which case Niagara falls, honeymoon capital of the world, will find it's 'native' population is about to explode   LOLOLOL!!!

[cougar]

4 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Now can we just get back to enjoying the great outdoors of our great land and NOT worry about all them darn immigrants and indigenous. Just chill for crying out loud. The way we are carrying on you would think we were Americans, sheesh!

You can't. First you have the constant forest fires, then you have all sorts of limitations resulting from too many users, to few resources or places to go and finally, believe it or not, when it comes to booking motels in the wilderness our country is one of the shittiest you can think of.  Everything is booked by this time of year at outrageous prices and what is left for you is a big hassle and the only viable option of sleeping in a tent.  Enjoy?  Not so easy.

Edited July 2, 2023 by cougar

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, cougar said:

You can't. First you have the constant forest fires, then you have all sorts of limitations resulting from too many users, to few resources or places to go and finally, believe it or not, when it comes to booking motels in the wilderness our country is one of the shittiest you can think of.  Everything is booked by this time of year at outrageous prices and what is left for you is a big hassle and the only viable option of sleeping in a tent.  Enjoy?  Not so easy.

The restrictions are what kills  you.  I know tonnes of places that dont' require a booking and are amazing to stay at, but if you can't have a fire starting in MAY (this year was hat early for some fires and there's been a complete ban for weeks) then there goes half the fun of camping, and with other restrictions it gets even harder.

[cougar]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The restrictions are what kills  you.  I know tonnes of places that dont' require a booking and are amazing to stay at, but if you can't have a fire starting in MAY (this year was hat early for some fires and there's been a complete ban for weeks) then there goes half the fun of camping, and with other restrictions it gets even harder.

Didn't even think of that.  Now if they tell me a propane stove is equivalent to lighting  a fire and also banned, even the tent option is out the window.

So we are back to enjoying prison from the past COVID years.

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, cougar said:

Didn't even think of that.  Now if they tell me a propane stove is equivalent to lighting  a fire and also banned, even the tent option is out the window.

So we are back to enjoying prison from the past COVID years.

Precisely.  And given the wildfires i kind of sort of get it  - you CAN use some campstoves if they ULC AND CSA approved. But a lot of them aren't.