Muslims and Christians unite on the streets of Ottawa, trampling the Gender Ideology Flag

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 We're talking here about teaching, about kids who don't even know what sex is being taught by largely incompetent adults in a way that almost encourages them to feel they're perfectly free to 'choose' what gender they want to be without consequence.

And even worse, to medically alter themselves to the gender of their choice, which DOES have consequence, but consequence they won't really feel until much later when it's far too late.

[Americana Antifa]

12 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Why is that relevant? Parents mostly control what their kids see in media at an early age anyway. We're talking here about teaching, about kids who don't even know what sex is being taught by largely incompetent adults in a way that almost encourages them to feel they're perfectly free to 'choose' what gender they want to be without consequence. Given the confusion and fanaticism around this subject, especially among the identity zealots in the academic and education world, they shouldn't be allowed to even speak to children about it.

95% of young people who claim to be transgender aren't. They're largely young girls uncomfortable with their changing bodies and the interest that draws, and young guys confused and bewildered about the male role in society, given how males have been denigrated and emasculated by our cultural elites. Top that up with people who are mentally/emotionally ill looking for an excuse for their problems, as well as sympathy and attention.

And people like you just encourage them.

Yes, I'm familiar with the narrative that right-wing media made up.

What's actually happening is that schools are using media, such as children's books, that have queer characters. The point of this is to let kids know that it's ok if someone is gay or trans. It's not that they're telling kids they can choose their gender. They're just saying if someone wants to change their gender, that's ok. If someone has two moms or two dads, that's ok.

And really, can we stop pretending this is too confusing for kids to understand? In the words of Sophia from the Golden Girls, "she happens to like girls instead of guys, some people like cats instead of dogs." This really isn't complicated.

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And that's why nobody takes you seriously

groom harder!  Maybe you can get a date finally if you program them young enough  

Deflection AND smilies. You wrong AND big mad, so sad.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yes, I'm familiar with the narrative that right-wing media made up.

What's actually happening is that schools are using media, such as children's books, that have queer characters. The point of this is to let kids know that it's ok if someone is gay or trans. It's not that they're telling kids they can choose their gender. They're just saying if someone wants to change their gender, that's ok. If someone has two moms or two dads, that's ok.

And really, can we stop pretending this is too confusing for kids to understand? In the words of Sophia from the Golden Girls, "she happens to like girls instead of guys, some people like cats instead of dogs." This really isn't complicated.

Deflection AND smilies. You wrong AND big mad, so sad.

Doesn’t explain why schools need to be festooned in rainbows and sexuality needs to be discussed with young children.  Florida has it right.  

[Americana Antifa]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Doesn’t explain why schools need to be festooned in rainbows and sexuality needs to be discussed with young children.  Florida has it right.  

Rainbows are cool.

Sexuality isn't being discussed in detail. It's just like, some kids have a mom and a dad, some kids have two dads or two moms.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yes, I'm familiar with the narrative that right-wing media made up.

You mean the truth? I really don't think you are
 

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What's actually happening is that schools are using media, such as children's books, that have queer characters. The point of this is to let kids know that it's ok if someone is gay or trans. It's not that they're telling kids they can choose their gender.

Nope. That's not whats happening here at all.  Do you notice how schools don't "use" media to "teach" kids that it's ok to be a straight white person or the like? They just expose kids to media and kids figure things out over time.  If that's ALL the gay/trans community wanted then as long as there were gays in media that process would happen naturally. Especially s the kids get older and are exposed to more and more media.

but - what the Letter Community wants is to indoctrinate kids. They want to discuss complex sexual issues with kids long before they're ready and push the idea that it's fun and preferable to be gay.

well - i woudln't be ok with straight people pushing sexual issues on kids that young either.

And surprise surprise - the number of kids with 'gender dysphoria' is shooting up like a rocket since this kind of thing was introduced. Pure coincidence obviously.

 

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And really, can we stop pretending this is too confusing for kids to understand?

And really - can we stop pretending that if i wasn't they'd already know this and you're hoping to get your hands on them BEFORE they're old enough to understand so you can 'train' them?

Leave the effing kids alone. They will come to their own conclusions over time and the vast majority won't have a problem with gays if you just let it happen naturally. But trying to force -feed sexuality to children not only harms the children but it makes the parents turn against you.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

A child rarely has such a right with regard to their parents.

And this could be one of those rarities. This is comparable to the trouble young couples from a typically conservative culture that takes a dim view towards young couples getting together find themselves in. They too run afoul of the same sort of unreasonable moral panic that has seized so many people in this thread.

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[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

Sexuality isn't being discussed in detail. It's just like, some kids have a mom and a dad, some kids have two dads or two moms.

Of course it is - and kids will have questions that they're too young to really undesrtand the answers to. 

But that's the point isn't it - this is about indoctrination and 'grooming',  if it wasn't you'd just let things happen naturally.  there's plenty of 'the gay' in our culture and literature and it's easy to include more, they'll be exposed and they'll realize it's pretty normal on their own.

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And this could be one of those rarities.

Medical health information?!!? - i assure you it really isn't.

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This is comparable to the trouble young couples from a typically conservative culture that takes a dim view towards young couples getting together find themselves in.

Uhhh....  I'm sure  that sentence worked in your head when you wrote it but...

 

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They too run afoul of the same sort of unreasonable moral panic that has seized so many people in this thread.

What does this have to do with children? Are you saying the children's fears about their parents are 'unreasonable moral panic'?  - I'm sure that in the vast majority of cases their fears are going to be worse than the actual reality, kids always think their parents will be mad at them. But there's ways to address that.

[herbie]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

On May 15, 2022 Action4Canada provided an extensive report exposing the UN Agenda to sexualize children through the education system

Any single person or group of religious bigots can make up a name that sound like the opposite of their intent and publish utter bullshit. Just like all the ones that start a blog and claim to be journalist.

[Moonbox]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Who said slavery is a right?  Property ownership is a right. 

I'm sorry if that offends you - but the fact is that slaves were considered property.  Until someone came along and said "no they are human beings and your right to property doesn't extinguish that.

It doesn't offend me, but any discussion about what is or isn't a "right" within a framework that permits slavery isn't worth much.  

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

NOW - trans people and to an extent the letter people are claiming that their rights extinguish the human rights of others.  And the argument is just as flawed now as it was with the slaves. The right to free speech, the right to religious belief, the right to protect your children etc etc are being called 'Uncanadian" if they are in conflict with this agenda.

That's what they're claiming?  That their rights extinguish the rights of others?  ?

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So just as property rights did not extinguish the human rights of others, (or shouldn't have and eventually that was corrected), so too should gay/trans rights not extinguish or override the rights of others (or shouldn't and eventually that will probably be corrected).

Which rights are they "extinguishing", exactly?  

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If this conversation is too complicated for you - i can try to dumb it down. But i've already explained that you're way off here a few times and your cheezy attempts at emotional arguments are the stuff of elementary school debates.

You're doing a pretty good job dumbing it down all on your own.  ?

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

It doesn't offend me, but any discussion about what is or isn't a "right" within a framework that permits slavery isn't worth much.  
 

It clearly did offend you - you freaked out. How DAAAARREEEEE you COMPARREE!!!! -  Glad to hear you're over it.

And of course it's worth much, if they hadn't had that conversation back in teh day we'd still have slavery. It's entirely valid and worth discussing.

You just don't like it because it doesn't support your current preferred narrative regarding gay/trans rights vs others.  But your dislike doesn't override the validity of the discussion any more than property rights overrode the human rights of slaves  

 

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That's what they're claiming?  That their rights extinguish the rights of others?  

So no argument. Just 'faux' outrage.  Kay.

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Which rights are they "extinguishing", exactly?  

You mean other than the ones i've mentioned several times? If you can't read, i can't help?

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You're doing a pretty good job dumbing it down all on your own.  ?

And yet you still can't understand it.

Did you even have a point or an argument? You're just kind of rambling like a fool at this point. Let me recap for you.

Things that have similarities can be compared even if they are different in other respects.

Gay/trans rights should not supercede nor be held to be more important than other human rights such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion or a parent's rights to know what's happening with their child.

If you  have a different opinion to those then by all means make it.

[myata]

18 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Which rights are they "extinguishing", exactly? 

The convenience of being blind and deaf - on demand. Here. It's not a "right" but an established familiar practice and the way of things. Why mostly unelected bureaucrats decided to blow it up now? Who asked for it? Who explained and proved that it's necessary, there are no other reasonable means of accommodation for a tiny fraction of the population.

This is the pandemic X.0 all other again. They learned that they can, they confirmed it and why wouldn't they do it any time and for any cause they see fit? "Because we can". Will you kindly get lost, Joe?

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

It clearly did offend you - you freaked out. How DAAAARREEEEE you COMPARREE!!!! -  Glad to hear you're over it.

You're projecting again.  If you can show me a quote anywhere where I "freaked out", I'd love to see it, but you can't, so you won't.  ?‍♂️

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

You just don't like it because it doesn't support your current preferred narrative regarding gay/trans rights vs others.  But your dislike doesn't override the validity of the discussion any more than property rights overrode the human rights of slaves  

You still haven't told us which rights are being extinguished.  I asked.  You didn't answer.  

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Things that have similarities can be compared even if they are different in other respects.

You can compare anything your little heart desires, even if only to show how dissimilar they are.  It's when you try to draw parallels between wildly dissimilar things that you make a fool out of yourself.  

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Medical health information?!!? - i assure you it really isn't.

Personal information.  You're hyperventilating and placing everything so far out of context it's ridiculous.

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Uhhh....  I'm sure  that sentence worked in your head when you wrote it but...

F**K off, it works just fine.

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What does this have to do with children? Are you saying the children's fears about their parents are 'unreasonable moral panic'? 

Nope. I'm saying your reaction is.

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- I'm sure that in the vast majority of cases their fears are going to be worse than the actual reality, kids always think their parents will be mad at them. But there's ways to address that.

This works both ways and I'm sure in the vast number of cases the fears being expressed by you and others in this thread will always be far worse than the reality, conservatives usually imagine the worse.  And now here you are showing exactly how to address this, by placing things in a more reasonable context.

Attaboy.

 

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[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, myata said:

So you are supposed to care for your child 365/24/7 and not know essential information like their gender? Who is doing the thinking here? How? Why?

It's totalitarianism sanctioned by the neo-left. Similar to what they did in Germany (Hitler-Jugend), and under madmen like Stalin.

They seek to divide families, just as nazis did with their child snitch lines to report on their parents.

Soviets did the same thing. Their aim was to diminish the influence of parents over the kids and transfer authority to state-controlled institutions.

That coupled with a good dose of atheism and Leader-Worship. 

"Justin is great, Justin is good."

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That coupled with a good dose of atheism and Leader-Worship. 

"Justin is great, Justin is good."

Please...he's a silly little dilettante.  Stop giving him so much attention. 

[Americana Antifa]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Of course it is - and kids will have questions that they're too young to really undesrtand the answers to. 

Such as?

Pretty much any question they have that they might be too young to understand can also be applied to heterosexuality.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

And this could be one of those rarities. This is comparable to the trouble young couples from a typically conservative culture that takes a dim view towards young couples getting together find themselves in. They too run afoul of the same sort of unreasonable moral panic that has seized so many people in this thread.

It's not unreasonable for parents to want to know if their nine-year-old son thinks he's a girl.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yes, I'm familiar with the narrative that right-wing media made up.

What's actually happening is that schools are using media, such as children's books, that have queer characters. The point of this is to let kids know that it's ok if someone is gay or trans. It's not that they're telling kids they can choose their gender.

Which is why I read stories in mainstream media about children coming home crying, confused because their teacher told them they weren't really girls/boys, right? Which is why the number of trans youth has exploded beyond any reasonable levels. A multi thousand percent increase in a very few years. Right. Nothing going on here, folks. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

It's not unreasonable for parents to want to know if their nine-year-old son thinks he's a girl.

Sure, 9 seems like too young an age for a more grown up right to confidentiality to me as well.

I think 14ish is more appropriate for the  fairly specific topic at hand.

That is to say a teacher should still feel compelled to report a suspected concussion despite the student saying 'nah it's just a little bump'.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Sure, 9 seems like too young an age for a more grown up right to confidentiality to me as well.

I think 14ish is more appropriate for the  fairly specific topic at hand.

That is to say a teacher should still feel compelled to report a suspected concussion despite the student saying 'nah it's just a little bump'.

They need sex-ed at a young age to protect them from the influence of perverts, not to BECOME perverts themselves.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You're projecting again.  If you can show me a quote anywhere where I "freaked out", I'd love to see it, but you can't, so you won't.  ?‍♂️

LOL  of course i can.

Nobody mentioned anything to do with slavery being a right yet you freaked out and replied with : " Slavery as a "right" is a contradiction in and of itself.  That it was the law doesn't change that.  It was morally corrupt and utterly indefensible.   "

UTTERLY INDEFENSIBLE!!!!! - and nobody had even mentioned or tried to defend it. LOL

Or how about: : "You literally just compared the emancipation of the slaves to the trans rights debate.  How much more low-brow can you get? "  REEEEEEEEE    Which as  i previosly pointed out was an emotional respsonse and an emotional argument. The elmemnts of it that i compared were valid and accurate.

Or "That you think they're the same is funny.  Slavery is the denial of (effectively) all rights.  Is that what you figure is happening here?   "   When of course nobody had said anything of the kind.

You had a complete hissy fit over something that wasn't happening.  Nobody said or even suggested that slavery is a 'right'.  Or that slavery is the same as being transexual or the like.

But you latched  on to that despite nobody saying it and got all bent out of shape about it multiple times despite having had it explained to you that it wasn't what was being said.

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You still haven't told us which rights are being extinguished.

Not only did i tell you - i pointed out i told you several times.

I tell you what - if i post where i mentioned them clear as day are you willing to admit you're a liar?  Or would you prefer to stop pretending i haven't said them already.

See - this is you freaking out.  So badly you refuse to admit something that anyone can go back and see i posted several times.

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You can compare anything your little heart desires, even if only to show how dissimilar they are. 

ROFLMAO - "my little heart desires' huh But yeah you're not getting emotional at all. 

You can also compare things to show how similar they are.  And when you pretend you CAN"T - as you INSISTED - then it's you who looks like the fool.

I pointed out the similarities such as they are, and they're valid.  You don't like that they're valid so you said you CANNOT compare them.

 

You don't even know why you're arguing do you .  You have completely forgotten what you've said before or what you're arguing about. You don't even have a point - it just bothers the hell out of you that i might be right.

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Which is why I read stories in mainstream media about children coming home crying, confused because their teacher told them they weren't really girls/boys, right? Which is why the number of trans youth has exploded beyond any reasonable levels. A multi thousand percent increase in a very few years. Right. Nothing going on here, folks. 

The psychogenic spread of transgenderism among girls is a thing, because girls will often mirror each other’s pathologies as an expression of empathy.  The same thing happens with cutting and sometimes even suicide.

I can only hope that most people are waking up to what has happened.  The usual snoozers like Hardner will sleep while Rome burns.  

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

They need sex-ed at a young age to protect them from the influence of perverts, not to BECOME perverts themselves.

You need education to help you get a grip, a little medication for anxiety might benefit you as well.

[OftenWrong]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You need education to help you get a grip, a little medication for anxiety might benefit you as well.

Or you could... you know.. give me a grip.