Free Birth Control

[herbie]

BC just made birth control free as of April 1st. The Pill, IUDs, etc. even the morning after pill are free with a prescription. Vasectomies and tubal ligations always were.

Parties in other Provinces have made the same promise if elected.

[herbie]

Oh come on, I'm waiting for some reason-like rants that the BC Gov't believes in murdering single cell 'babies' or that men are discriminated against because rubbers aren't free....  ?

[Boges]

So this is a bait thread? LOL I'll bite. 

If they really wanted to be fair, Condoms should also be free. It's probably more effective and mutual assuring than the Pill. Who's to know if a woman is taking the pill properly. 

Needing a prescription for Plan B is weird. It's hard enough to get a doctors appointment, you need to get one in a 24-hour period to get the Morning After Pill. I needed it once, it's like $30. 

On Twitter, I saw Rachel Notely, in Alberta, politicians complaining that these forms of contraception still cost money but vasectomies are covered. Even though Apples to Apples would be a Tubal Ligation.

Getting your Tubes ties is a far more involved surgery, but men didn't invent our reproductive systems. 

 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Boges

[Nationalist]

Huh...making lowering the birth rate even more...free.

Is that such a good idea?

[TreeBeard]

34 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...making lowering the birth rate even more...free.

Is that such a good idea?

Yes.  

[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Yes.  

Why? 

I mean, I get that some people don't want kids but among other things, our bodies are designed to procreate. Seems to me, denying the natural design of our bodies should come at a cost.

The government has been saying we need immigration in order to grow as a nation. So...grow ur own.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Nationalist

[TreeBeard]

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Why? 

 

Because I don’t want children born into poverty just because someone can’t afford birth control.

 

23 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Seems to me, denying the natural design of our bodies should come at a cost.

Then don’t take an aspirin when you get a headache and definitely don’t put a mechanical valve in your heart to fix a genetic defect.  Those things ain’t natural.  
 

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The government has been saying we need immigration in order to grow as a nation. So...grow ur own.

Yes, everyone who wants to should have children.  We agree.  

[Guest]

On 4/3/2023 at 7:09 PM, herbie said:

Oh come on, I'm waiting for some reason-like rants that the BC Gov't believes in murdering single cell 'babies' or that men are discriminated against because rubbers aren't free....  ?

Imagine what all the right wing nuts on here would do if they found out that in the UK, we send our children to school with rubbers in their satchels. 

Just in case they need one.

Edited April 6, 2023 by bcsapper

[Aristides]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why? 

I mean, I get that some people don't want kids but among other things, our bodies are designed to procreate. Seems to me, denying the natural design of our bodies should come at a cost.

The government has been saying we need immigration in order to grow as a nation. So...grow ur own.

When was bearing children the natural design of your body?

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

When was bearing children the natural design of your body?

Since before we evolved to homosapiens.

Google life: "The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism"

[reason10]

On 4/3/2023 at 4:32 PM, herbie said:

BC just made birth control free as of April 1st. The Pill, IUDs, etc. even the morning after pill are free with a prescription. Vasectomies and tubal ligations always were.

Parties in other Provinces have made the same promise if elected.

It's not free, (unless the doctors are donating the time and the drug companies have decided to give those pills away.) Those items and services are being  PAID for by tax dollars.

But I'm all for ANYTHING that will prevent irresponsible retards from reproducing.

[reason10]

On 4/3/2023 at 9:09 PM, herbie said:

Oh come on, I'm waiting for some reason-like rants that the BC Gov't believes in murdering single cell 'babies' or that men are discriminated against because rubbers aren't free....  ?

Rubbers STILL aren't free. But hell, I don't care. The government shells out some cash to keep a bunch of retards from reproducing? it might actually be the most intelligent facet of government spending: Protecting the future generations from liberals.

Nice going.

[Boges]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...making lowering the birth rate even more...free.

Is that such a good idea?

Considering how expensive a kid is. . . yeah. 

I'm sure you don't want the taxpayer-funding fetus killing. 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Boges

[Boges]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why? 

I mean, I get that some people don't want kids but among other things, our bodies are designed to procreate. Seems to me, denying the natural design of our bodies should come at a cost.

The government has been saying we need immigration in order to grow as a nation. So...grow ur own.

So I have two young children in my 40's. After my second, I couldn't get a vasectomy fast enough. I don't want to be in my 70's with a teenager. 

And some 20-year-olds don't have the financial ability to care for kids. 

BTW don't complain about families not having kids unless you don't completely embrace work-from-home culture. I couldn't imagine having to take a train back from the city to pick up a child from daycare or school because they have a cough. 

This is Boomers fault. Wages have not risen with the cost of living. It's near impossible to raise a family on a single income. And you have to live out in the Burbs, with a lengthy commute to boot. 

[Boges]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Since before we evolved to homosapiens.

Google life: "The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism"

Before industrialization children were an asset because many didn't live to adulthood and they could help on a farm. 

Without them helping on a farm they turn from an asset to a financial liability. 

The countries with the fastest birth rate are those with that pre-industrialization mindset. Keep having kids because you'll need em. 

Also with the increase in a standard of living you want less children. Poorer families have no problem making 4 kids share a bedroom. I, myself, would prefer my kids to have their own room.  

Edited April 6, 2023 by Boges

[dialamah]

This'll be good for teenagers too, who may not be able to afford BC.  Fewer teen pregnancies is always good.

[Boges]

15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

This'll be good for teenagers too, who may not be able to afford BC.  Fewer teen pregnancies is always good.

NO! They should be taught that their pre-marital sex comes with consequences! 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

So I have two young children in my 40's. After my second, I couldn't get a vasectomy fast enough. I don't want to be in my 70's with a teenager. 

And some 20-year-olds don't have the financial ability to care for kids. 

BTW don't complain about families not having kids unless you don't completely embrace work-from-home culture. I couldn't imagine having to take a train back from the city to pick up a child from daycare or school because they have a cough. 

This is Boomers fault. Wages have not risen with the cost of living. It's near impossible to raise a family on a single income. And you have to live out in the Burbs, with a lengthy commute to boot. 

I have 3 children. I knew years ago that they would have a more difficult time with housing than I did. So...I did something so many did not. I PLANNED for this by purchasing enough houses that each will get their own home at a reasonable cost.

I'm OK with birth control. I'm even OK with abortion...prior to the end of the first trimester...but I do not think it should be "free". What "free" means, in this case, is that everyone is paying for a couple's birth control.

Edited April 6, 2023 by Nationalist

[Boges]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I have 3 children. I knew years ago that they would have a more difficult time with housing than I did. So...I did something so many did not. I PLANNED for this by purchasing enough houses that each will get their own home at a reasonable cost.

Great! What a good dad you are. My parents helped me too. White Privilege, I suppose. 

A lot of Millennials aren't so fortunate, so they've decided they won't even consider parenthood. 

 

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I'm OK with birth control. I'm even OK with abortion...prior to the end of the first trimester...but I do not think it should be "free". What "free" means, in this case, is that everyone is paying for a couple's birth control.

Is covered by OHIP (or whatever provincial insurance plan you use) better?

My Vasectomy was "Free". As "Free" as the birth of both my children were. 

Semantics much? 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Boges

[Nationalist]

38 minutes ago, Boges said:

Great! What a good dad you are. My parents helped me too. White Privilege, I suppose. 

A lot of Millennials aren't so fortunate, so they've decided they won't even consider parenthood. 

 

Is covered by OHIP (or whatever provincial insurance plan you use) better?

My Vasectomy was "Free". As "Free" as the birth of both my children were. 

Semantics much? 

White privilege? What nonsense. Simply the "privilege" of foresight.

As I said...I do not agree with the public paying for birth control.!

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

White privilege? What nonsense. Simply the "privilege" of foresight.

As I said...I do not agree with the public paying for birth control.!

But a vasectomy? 

As I said to Herbie OP bait. If you're going to make the Pill free, but not a myriad of other medications people have to pay for if they don't have bennies at work (and even then you have to pay some). Might as well make Condoms free. At least you can confirm it worked right after the "act" vs the Pill or an IUD> 

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

But a vasectomy? 

As I said to Herbie OP bait. If you're going to make the Pill free, but not a myriad of other medications people have to pay for if they don't have bennies at work (and even then you have to pay some). Might as well make Condoms free. At least you can confirm it worked right after the "act" vs the Pill or an IUD> 

Especially a vasectomy. Rubbers...the pill...the morning after pill...abortions...all of it.

If you wanna play...you should pay. I do not want to pay for your birth control.!

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Especially a vasectomy. Rubbers...the pill...the morning after pill...abortions...all of it.

If you wanna play...you should pay. I do not want to pay for your birth control.!

Good thing you don't decide what gets covered by our Healthcare system. 

[Nationalist]

Just now, Boges said:

Good thing you don't decide what gets covered by our Healthcare system. 

Now why on Earth should our HC system pay for your sexcapades?

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Now why on Earth should our HC system pay for your sexcapades?

Why should the taxpayer pay for some old dude's new knee? 

Why should the taxpayer pay for a woman to have a fourth kid? 

Why should the taxpayer pay for a smoker's Lung Cancer treatment? 

You really want to go down this road?