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1 minute ago, Boges said:

Why should the taxpayer pay for some old dude's new knee? 

Why should the taxpayer pay for a woman to have a fourth kid? 

Why should the taxpayer pay for a smoker's Lung Cancer treatment? 

You really want to go down this road? 

Sure...lets tippy-toe down that road.

Old Dude's Knee: That old dude worked all of his adult life. He paid into HC and the pension fund all that time. As his body fails him, he is entitled to a new knee.

Forth Kid: Because we have found that birthing without the care of a doctor is much more dangerous.

Lung Cancer: The government made cigarette smoking legal. That was a mistake. Honorable people pay for their mistakes.

You're up.

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1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Sure...lets tippy-toe down that road.

Old Dude's Knee: That old dude worked all of his adult life. He paid into HC and the pension fund all that time. As his body fails him, he is entitled to a new knee.

Forth Kid: Because we have found that birthing without the care of a doctor is much more dangerous.

Lung Cancer: The government made cigarette smoking legal. That was a mistake. Honorable people pay for their mistakes.

You're up.

And providing someone a 10 minute medical procedure may actually improve his family planning decisions without having to worry about other, more expensive forms of birth control. Like say, abortions. 

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10 minutes ago, Boges said:

And providing someone a 10 minute medical procedure may actually improve his family planning decisions without having to worry about other, more expensive forms of birth control. Like say, abortions. 

OK...the Bugs Bunny in me is dying to respond with something crass...but I'll refrain.

Have your 10 minute procedural...at YOUR cost. Not mine.

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44 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Now why on Earth should our HC system pay for your sexcapades?

So they don't have to pay for the kids  poverty-stricken women bring into the world.  Or pay for tracking down and getting money from the father. 

And, you poor baby - having to pay for "someone else's" birth control. Maybe take the unwanted (but not aborted) babies into your home, save that birth control money being taken out of your wallet.

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18 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So they don't have to pay for the kids  poverty-stricken women bring into the world.  Or pay for tracking down and getting money from the father. 

And, you poor baby - having to pay for "someone else's" birth control. Maybe take the unwanted (but not aborted) babies into your home, save that birth control money being taken out of your wallet.

Maybe I will Mah. Grown offspring are boring and opinionated. I would love to have a little one around again. My wife is after the 3 kids to get married and have grandchildren (Twin "A" may wind up adopting since...he's gay...but ya...grandspawn).

I paid for my own birth control...pre-marriage. You probably did too Mah. All it takes is a real sense of responsibility.

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Ah that's more like it. The selfish, greedy all-American why should I pay for someone else response to the point they'll pay $100.00 to make sure no one else benefits from their $1.00.

The sex is just bad...mmkay mentality of 19th century Protestants

And the usual blockhead agreement with retard10 that it's not really free. Use your head, you pay the taxes anyway, you've got to be a fool you'll ever pay less, so what do you call something you didn't pay a nickle out of your pocket for?

And the twisted logic about having to pay a buck for a rubber, cuz you're so damn old you don't know where to just get free ones like every 14 year old does.
 

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5 hours ago, Boges said:

But a vasectomy? 

As I said to Herbie OP bait. If you're going to make the Pill free, but not a myriad of other medications people have to pay for if they don't have bennies at work (and even then you have to pay some). Might as well make Condoms free. At least you can confirm it worked right after the "act" vs the Pill or an IUD> 

The difference is that birth control pill is a prescription, which can easily be covered under universal healthcare coverage.  Condoms are not.  However, there are still plenty of places to get free condoms, particularly if you’re a young person.  

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9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Since before we evolved to homosapiens.

Google life: "The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism"

So none. You just think you have the right to control a woman's life just because you got laid.

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4 hours ago, Aristides said:

And if a man doesn't want to be responsible for his dick, the burden falls on the woman. Doesn't it always? You really don't seem to like women.

On the contrary. I spent years playing around...but didn't procreate till I was ready to do so. Had I had an accident, I'd have made good by both the girl and the baby. I came close once but...

Yes women carry the baby, gestate the baby, and deliver it. But that does not mean men do not have a strong paternal instinct. I happen to have a very strong paternal instinct. Most family men I know, have as well.

However it was liberal ideals that brought us the diminishing of things like family, marriage,  respect, honor, and finally...common friggin' sense.

Welcome to "The new normal".

Good job...

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6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

On the contrary. I spent years playing around...but didn't procreate till I was ready to do so. Had I had an accident, I'd have made good by both the girl and the baby. I came close once but...

Yes women carry the baby, gestate the baby, and deliver it. But that does not mean men do not have a strong paternal instinct. I happen to have a very strong paternal instinct. Most family men I know, have as well.

However it was liberal ideals that brought us the diminishing of things like family, marriage,  respect, honor, and finally...common friggin' sense.

Welcome to "The new normal".

Good job...

Bully for you, I have kids and grand kids as well. If a guy doesn't have a strong paternal instinct the woman is SOL in your book. Too bad, so sad. For her.

I have four grand daughters and wouldn't wish what you want on them.

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46 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Bully for you, I have kids and grand kids as well. If a guy doesn't have a strong paternal instinct the woman is SOL in your book. Too bad, so sad. For her.

I have four grand daughters and wouldn't wish what you want on them.

I wish nothing but success for your grandchildren.  My daughter has been responsible enough to wait till she's married to have kids. They'll probably wait an extra few years afterwards as well. 

It is this moral degradation that has eroded those common virtues that historically made people act responsibly with their sex. That goes for both men and women.

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

it was liberal ideals that brought us the diminishing of things like family, marriage,  respect, honor, and finally...common friggin' sense.

Which ideals would those be?  
 

I ask because of this:

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I spent years playing around...

This sounds like a very liberal attitude that diminishes family commitment, honour, respect…. at least, that’s the exact liberal attitude that other conservatives blame for the downfall of family values.  I’m curious which ones you think are to blame.  

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17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I wish nothing but success for your grandchildren.  My daughter has been responsible enough to wait till she's married to have kids. They'll probably wait an extra few years afterwards as well. 

It is this moral degradation that has eroded those common virtues that historically made people act responsibly with their sex. That goes for both men and women.

I have two in university and two under ten. I want them to have control over their own lives, not have them dictated by male dinosaurs. Even if I don't agree with their decisions.

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24 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Which ideals would those be?  
 

I ask because of this:

This sounds like a very liberal attitude that diminishes family commitment, honour, respect…. at least, that’s the exact liberal attitude that other conservatives blame for the downfall of family values.  I’m curious which ones you think are to blame.  

When institutions begin to accept and normalize things like divorce, belittle moral pillars like religion, diminish the authority of parents, normalize the blurring of genders, present the public with a litany of lies, a society will naturally begin to crumble under the weight of its own degradation. Begin to think...

Why should I bring more life into this rotten world?

Its OK to attack law authorities because it's a rotten world.

My daddy is a gang banger and I will be too because it's a rotten world. 

I want to "slip out the back Jack". You take the kids dear.

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35 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I have two in university and two under ten. I want them to have control over their own lives, not have them dictated by male dinosaurs. Even if I don't agree with their decisions.

Well then I hope you teach them respect and honor. Because without those tools, they will make some bad decisions. 

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6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Don’t you belittle religious morals by “playing around for years”?

No. I didn't rape anyone. Hell most of the time I was oblivious to a girls designs till it was in my lap. Nobody got "taken advantage of".

There's nothing wrong with single people having good clean fun.

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