Fat Trudeau becomes unglued when a Canadian doesn't support his corrupt war in Ukraine

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the whole global economy is relying on the Chinese economy for a bailout

I just don't see any evidence of that. In fact, China's been largely out of the game since covid. And the world economy is pretty warm right now, we're just going into the slowing period. So i don't see how the world is waiting on China for a bail out.

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

when in fact China itself is spiralling into a debt crisis

THAT part i see.

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the First World War broke out between Austria & Serbia

Bit of a stretch there tho. Austria was a first world country, just a smaller one. And both had major backing from the major powers.  Whereas nowadays even countries like Hati can't get anyone interested in their domestic messes.

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Second World War broke out, not a Pearl Harbor, but when Japan invaded Manchuria

take for example Pakistan

Preeeeety sure it was the germans invading Poland actually.

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

this is a very weak government, with an economy which is totally reliant on the IMF to prop them up

in the event of global debt crisis, Pakistan would spiral into disorder, then could easily fall to the Taliban

then nuclear armed India is faced with a nuclear armed Taliban in a fight over the Kashmir

I think you're reaching pretty hard. It's not impossible but it's hardly likely.  Localized conflict, sure. But widescale armed conflict?

If anything the chinese collapsing would consolidate the western powers and they'd be free to put their military might where they want to.' I think most will be on their best behavior.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

in terms of a war on the South China Sea

it's not going to brake out between America & China

it's not going to be China invading Taiwan

the opening phases of the Pacific theatre war

are most likely to be between China & Vietnam, over the Paracel's 

with America backing our once mortal enemy in Communist Vietnam

against Vietnam's once Communist ally against America,  in China

 

Now THAT'S interesting

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

but i'm not sure i see how china specifically blowing up would make that extraordinarily worse.

I would suggest that China is under vastly more pressure than you might surmise

the main nuclear arms race in the world right now, is between China & India

India is rising to challenge China, allied to China's mortal enemy,  Japan

 China's SSBN's stand no chance against the US Navy

but I would guess that the Chinese SLBM's are not even targeted at the CONUS

I would guess that China's submarine launched missiles are pointed at India

as India rapidly expands its nuclear arsenal, including for the first time SSBN's

in the throes of a trilateral conflict between India, China & Pakistan

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If anything the chinese collapsing would consolidate the western powers and they'd be free to put their military might where they want to.' I think most will be on their best behavior.

I think you, like most, vastly overrate China

the PLA is not even an operationalized force

the PLA is a political army, the military arm of the CCP

the PLA is only fought two wars

Korea, where they lost a million troops killed

and Vietnam in 1979, when the NVA handed the Chinese their asses in only ten days

if you think the Russians are incompetent

wait till you see the PLA in action against anybody who fights back

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think you're reaching pretty hard. It's not impossible but it's hardly likely.  Localized conflict, sure. But widescale armed conflict?

Pakistan is like Iran on steroids, already with the nukes in hand 

the shadow government is the ISI, and they are the Taliban for all intents & purposes

the Taliban is the monster that the ISI created, to confront India by way of Afghanistan

along with a menagerie of other Jihadist proxies, such as Laskar-e-Taiba, which has already attacked India

India vastly overpowers Pakistan

Pakistan only has two trump cards, nuclear weapons, and Islamic terrorism

Pakistan is highly unstable, nuclear armed. and subject to Islamic revolution at any moment

if Pakistan has a revolution like Iran did, America will got DEFCON 3 just on spec

yeehaw

Edited March 4, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Preeeeety sure it was the germans invading Poland actually.

nope

it starts in the Pacific with the Sino-Japanese War

which leads directly to Pearl Harbor, because America sides with China against Japan

in the European theatre, it actually kicks off in Ethiopia

when Mussolini attacks that British proxy, threatening the Suez Canal and the Far East beyond

Haile Sellasie is the first monarch in the Empire to go to war against Fascism

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Bit of a stretch there tho. Austria was a first world country, just a smaller one. And both had major backing from the major powers.  Whereas nowadays even countries like Hati can't get anyone interested in their domestic messes.

the stretch there is simply that the global hegemonic war does not break out on the central front

it breaks out on the margins, over some local dispute

Austria doesn't start the war

Russia doesn't start the war

Germany doesn't start the war

Gavrillo Princip starts the war

the entire 20th century, a century of conflict on a scale never seen before, initiated by a single man

over 110,000 Canadians killed,  in a global hegemonic war of succession fought in two parts

followed by a 45 year nuclear standoff Cold War over a dispute of the Potsdam Agreement

wherein the Communists mass murder over 100,000,000 people

with 528 nuclear warheads detonated in the atmosphere

leaving us at 15 minutes notice to launch on warning hair trigger alert,  to this day

because of one assassination, executed with a handgun

Edited March 4, 2023 by Dougie93

[SpankyMcFarland]

So many obvious differences between Russia and China on the threat they pose. Go to a Walmart and try to find stuff not made in China. Open any scientific or medical journal and observe the Chinese names therein and how many of those authors now hail from the mainland. Think of the Chinese people you know and what they’ve achieved and scale that up to 1.4 billion. This is something new for the West. A great Eastern civilization is reasserting itself. Unfortunately, it’s taking a deeply authoritarian and xenophobic path to do this at the moment. 

[Dougie93]

36 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So many obvious differences between Russia and China on the threat they pose. Go to a Walmart and try to find stuff not made in China.

China's need for Walmart to sell their products to the world

means China is vastly less of a threat

since attacking us would be attacking their best customers and economy

how many products at Walmart are made in Russia ?

that is what makes Russia the greater threat

as you're not going to die with your family in a thermonuclear firestorm

just because the Chinese are selling you too many products

I'll take the Chinese bombing us with products,

over the Russians miscalculating with hydrogen bombs

any day of the week

Edited March 4, 2023 by Dougie93

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I would suggest that China is under vastly more pressure than you might surmise

the main nuclear arms race in the world right now, is between China & India

India is rising to challenge China, allied to China's mortal enemy,  Japan

 China's SSBN's stand no chance against the US Navy

but I would guess that the Chinese SLBM's are not even targeted at the CONUS

I would guess that China's submarine launched missiles are pointed at India

as India rapidly expands its nuclear arsenal, including for the first time SSBN's

in the throes of a trilateral conflict between India, China & Pakistan

Yeah but if china starts to fall apart they will be more focused inward than outward.

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah but if china starts to fall apart they will be more focused inward than outward.

the best way to maintain internal control is to start a foreign war

I would suggest that this was Putin's motivation for war in Ukraine

countries don't start wars when they are booming, only when they go bust

again, the First World War breaks out between Austria & Russia

why ?

because they were the strongest empires in Europe ?

no, because they were the weakest, both riven with internal conflicts

China was entirely peaceable when they were growing at 10%

now that they are in a debt crisis, suddenly they have become very aggressive

dictatorships desperately need a foreign enemy in order to rally their people around them

this is already working for Putin, war has driven his approval rating way up

the Second World War was a direct result of the Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act

America incited the Great Depression by initiating a global trade war

Japan & Germany went into crisis almost immediately

Japan & Germany had the exact same solution to their domestic economic woes

Japan invaded China for the natural resources

only attacking Pearl Harbor when America imposed an oil embargo

Hitler's plan was to deflect the British & French, so he could invade the Soviet Union

Hitler was not expecting Britain & France to declare war over Poland, that was a miscalculation

what actually happened was, Hitler & Mussolini had been enemies

but then Mussolini flipped sides, joining with Hitler

Germany & Italy were suddenly in alliance

and that threatened the Suez Canal, which is the real reason the British & French went to war

in order for a hegmonic war to start, you need three ingredients

one, hegemons are weakened by internal strife

two, hegemons are crippled by financial & economic crisis

three, a miscalculation over a territorial dispute

nobody starts a world war intentionally, it can only happen by miscalculation

the Second World War was not one war

it was a series of border wars which escalated into conflagration

it wasn't even the "Second World War", until FDR named it that in 1941

Edited March 4, 2023 by Dougie93

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

just think back to the Falkland Islands War of 1982

the whole war was decided before the British even landed

when HMS Conqueror sunk ARA Belgrano, with two obsolete Mk.8 World War Two era torpedoes

after which, the Argentine navy fled back to port, in the face of any further nuclear submarine attacks

effectively abandoning their forces on the Falklands

just one nuclear submarine, won the war, in an afternoon

IIRC that sub stalked the Belgrano for a few days, and they only decided to sink it after it altered course towards the Invincible. 

Why was a modern nuclear sub carrying old WWII torpedos in the 1980s? 

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Why was a modern nuclear sub carrying old WWII torpedos in the 1980s? 

early models of RN torpedo of the time, the Mk.24 Tigerfish,  had serious reliability problems

so the SSN's were carrying Mk.8's as a backup

Conqueror had the Belgrano dead to rights, there would be no warning for it to evade a torpedo attack

so there was no need for a homing torpedo

so the Captain decided to use the very simple, reliable,  proven torpedo for a point blank shot

 

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

IIRC that sub stalked the Belgrano for a few days, and they only decided to sink it after it altered course towards the Invincible.

as part of Thatcher's overall doctrine that she would not preserve Argentine lives at the risk of British personnel

this was a shooting war, and Argentina started it unprovoked, so Thatcher was playing for keeps, shooting to kill

[Dougie93]

the use of the Mk.8 simply illustrates how formidable a nuclear submarine can be

they can get very close, right underneath you in fact

they often take pictures of adversary warship propellers with their periscopes underwater

at the range that they can open fire with a torpedo, it's no warning, no escape

[SpankyMcFarland]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

China's need for Walmart to sell their products to the world

means China is vastly less of a threat

since attacking us would be attacking their best customers and economy

how many products at Walmart are made in Russia ?

that is what makes Russia the greater threat

as you're not going to die with your family in a thermonuclear firestorm

just because the Chinese are selling you too many products

I'll take the Chinese bombing us with products,

over the Russians miscalculating with hydrogen bombs

any day of the week

 

Russia, a ramshackle former empire in precipitous decline, poses one sort of military threat at the moment that would destroy them as well. China, on the other hand, poses multiple and growing threats to the West for the foreseeable future: military, scientific, technological, economic, even social. The sheer size of the Chinese population and its extraordinary ability in the service of a totalitarian system make this the greatest threat liberal democracy has faced. 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

as part of Thatcher's overall doctrine that she would not preserve Argentine lives at the risk of British personnel

this was a shooting war, and Argentina started it unprovoked, so Thatcher was playing for keeps, shooting to kill

"The Iron Lady". 

How solid was Britain with QE and Margaret Thatcher at the helm?

If women could collectively sweep Hillary, Freeland, Harris, Merkel, etc under the rug and put a spotlight on those two it would go a long way towards opening their upper potential in politics. 

For whatever reason, in Canada, only 1 man out of all the cucks in the Liberal party really stood up to Trudeau in any meaningful way, but not nearly to the same extent as JWR, Philpot, Caesar-Chavennes and Alleslev did. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Russia, a ramshackle former empire in precipitous decline, poses one sort of military threat at the moment that would destroy them as well. China, on the other hand, poses multiple and growing threats to the West for the foreseeable future: military, scientific, technological, economic, even social. The sheer size of the Chinese population and its extraordinary ability in the service of a totalitarian system make this the greatest threat liberal democracy has faced. 

the Soviets had extraordinary ability, the Soviets crushed the Third Reich, then conquered space

all China has really done is make smart phones for Apple, underwear for Walmart

they are not behaving like they are about to overrun the West

quite the opposite, they are retrenching back into a hermit kingdom surrounded by mortal enemies on all sides

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

How solid was Britain with QE and Margaret Thatcher at the helm?

she was very unpopular, faltering in the polls, they called her "The Grocers Daughter", derisively

until the Falkland Islands War

victory in the South Atlantic made her a national heroine overnight

then she went on to crush Labour in a landslide

 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Russia, a ramshackle former empire in precipitous decline, 

That was 1990s Russia. They actually bounced back to quite a great extent in the 2000s.

This Ukraine thing has been a huge setback for them, but I still think they're way ahead of where they were in the '90s.

There were rumours that their soldiers were unpaid and just walking of the bases, and their military hardware was being sold off by the ones who stayed. 

The US managed to by Migs in 1997: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-america-bought-russian-mig-29-fighter-jets-33121

I don't think that they'll be buying Su-24s any time soon. 

[ExFlyer]

On 2/27/2023 at 5:34 AM, Nationalist said:

Do you really think the Ukraine can win that region back without NATO troops? Highly unlikely. 

Russia and the USA have never squared off like that. The risk is monumental and the Polish government is itching to send in their troops. Once that happens, all of Europe becomes a target. Then what?

America is also depleting their stock. If they commit full to Ukraine, who's gonna protect the mainland? The Libbies of the west coast? Lol...they could tweenkie the Chinese to death I guess...

No...a hot war directly with Russia is a fools errand right now...and likey will always be. Especially over the Donbas. 

Americans need a war or conflict every 10 years or so to replenish expire or soon to be expires stock (and to teach Americans geography LOL).

It is good for their military supply chain and even more so for their economy.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

That was 1990s Russia. They actually bounced back to quite a great extent in the 2000s.

the main weakness of Russia is Putin's pseudo "government"

Putin has constructed a regime of cronies

so there's no military geniuses he can turn to who could win the war for him

the Russians have inherent capability,

but they are not bringing it all together into a combined arms mutli-domain operation

they are locked into this tactical fight in the Donbass

without applying any actual pressure against NATO at all

 

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

all China has really done is make smart phones for Apple, underwear for Walmart

Lol. They're a bit better than that, but still pretty funny

Reminds me of the classic line: "And if you screw up just this much, you'll be flying cargo planes full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong, Maverick!"

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Putin has constructed a regime of cronies

Who hasn't though? 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lol. They're a bit better than that, but still pretty funny

they are not better than that

they don't create, they don't invent anything, all they do is make cheap knock offs

they are not independent, they are totally reliant on the American consumer to prop them up