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Fat Trudeau becomes unglued when a Canadian doesn't support his corrupt war in Ukraine


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1 hour ago, West said:

Fat Trudeau begins yelling at a protester who doesn't support a blank cheque to the third most corrupt country on the planet

 

Who;s the second? Is it us? It's us isn't it.

 

Well at least he didn't declare the emergency act on the guy

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I fully support Ukraine in their outstanding and inspiring fight for freedom and very existence against a brutal Asian tyranny but Trudeau in the suit of a holy warrior for freedom? I'm afraid that anything they touch could turn into some sad parody... contaminated.

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Canadians have every right, and indeed one could argue its our responsibility, to question where our money is spent and on what.

Why should we be sending anything to Ukraine? They are not an ally. Our own military has voiced serious concerns about their military. And of course, Zelinsky is no lover of democracy or freedom.

So why is our money going there? Especially after the financial pit created by Liberal over spending during The Rona.

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1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Canada used to be considered peace-keepers. A peaceful nation. One of the few seemingly neutral third parties that could be brought in for a negotiation. Not any more. Now it's all Rah Rah Rah!

This man is not a Canadian:

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Which one do you think is the real Trudeau? The fat one or the other non fat one? 

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2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

This war was highly preventable.

I have little doubt it was. Just as WWII was entirely preventable with a timely and decisive action. It's just too bad we couldn't learn, forget others mistakes, our own.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Why should we be sending anything to Ukraine?

Because you could be sending your people otherwise? This is exactly the same argument as pre-WWII and look how it ended.  If Putins, Uns and such of the world are allowed to barge in, destroy and kill, from now on, and with nukes as added argument, what kind of world would we be opening door to? Are you sure you would be safe under that little umbrella?

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15 minutes ago, myata said:

I have little doubt it was. Just as WWII was entirely preventable with a timely and decisive action. It's just too bad we couldn't learn, forget others mistakes, our own.

Because you could be sending your people otherwise? This is exactly the same argument as pre-WWII and look how it ended.  If Putins, Uns and such of the world are allowed to barge in, destroy and kill, from now on, and with nukes as added argument, what kind of world would we be opening door to? Are you sure you would be safe under that little umbrella?

Yes yes yes...WWII blah blah blah...

Has Russia even shot a BB into a NATO nation? No. But...

"AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Noone sees any evidence of this great Russian attack on NATO. If anything...NATO will start firing into Russia. Then what? Oh I know...

"PUTIN DESERVED IT! BAD PUTIN! BAD BAD BAD! AHHH...WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!!!"

Ya know...I am so tired of this endless fear porn thing that I could start puking like that oddball who keeps puking on everything he posts.

Such childishness.

'Whoopie...we all gonna die.'

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26 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Has Russia even shot a BB into a NATO nation? No. But...

Wait that was the old story.. twice actually one in Poland, another more recently, Romania both NATO members. But yeah why worry... just give Hitler a chance and see what he'll be up to. Good surprises are always possible after all.. that was the thinking the last time worked amazingly well.

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46 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

NATO will start firing into Russia

No they will not. This would go against the entire purpose of their existence, and would draw China into the conflict, along with Iran, North Korea, etc.

Neither party will want a global conflict over this.

The US and Russia, are using the very same propaganda, to support their own interests into this war.

48 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

PUTIN DESERVED IT!

It would be incredibly irresponsible for NATO to fire into Russia, without provocation. It would be illegal even, considering it would go against their mandate which is strictly defensive in nature.

This is pure propaganda from both parties.

The US and Canada frame it as a fight for freedom, and deliberately only will show the high death tolls from Russia. The west doesn't have an appetite for high death tolls, so if they were reminded daily of the hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers that are dying, they would put pressure to stop this conflict.

Sensible, would be negotiating a ceasefire, but this would go against what either parties aspire to do.

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4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Sensible, would be negotiating a ceasefire

Ceasefire like what exactly? Where are ceasefires and ceasefires. Russia crossed the strait and barged into Alaska.. or say in the near future NWT. Russia got its a$$ kicked pulled out counted heavy losses and negotiated a ceasefire to avoid having it kicked again. That's one.

Two: Russia grabbed half of Alaska and offering to negotiate a ceasefire. The word is the same, did you notice? Which one would it be though? With all kind of tyrants and dictators, current and future ones, standing by and watching.. closely.

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Has Russia even shot a BB into a NATO nation? No. But...

Germany, Japan,  denmark, Poland and a few others would like to have a word with you :) Although Germany only raised it's hand half way and is looking a little sheepish.

Pretending russia is an innocent little lamb that would never attack anyone is silly. They have, they would, they will in the future if they get a chance.

If only there were some modern or recent example i could give you of russia invading someone's country without military provocation...   gosh it seems like there should be at least one somewhere....  what was this thread about again?

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7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Germany, Japan,  denmark, Poland

A better question would, which of Russia's neighbors, not being being its total puppet avoided being harassed, attacked, brutally invaded and having some territory taken? No seriously, what would be the rate, the fraction? Only takes a minute to find out. Hint: can go counterclockwise, right along the border: Norway; Finland; all three Baltic states; Poland; Romania; Moldova, Georgia and now, Ukraine. What f%ing "NATO" has done that in just a few decades?

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7 minutes ago, myata said:

Ceasefire like what exactly?

Russia isn't going to admit defeat and have an incredibly high tolerance for mounting death tolls.

Ukraine, does not. Of course, nobody wants to lose an inch of territory, but if losing little territory ensures your entry into NATO and guarantees future security, there is a price to pay to continue this war and one to pay to stop it. It will be up to Ukraine to decide if its pride is worth more than the lives of hundreds of thousands of more of its soldiers.

Russia already knows that in 2024, will likely them getting favorable negotiations when people start growing tired of rising death tolls, and billions of dollars being thrown into this meat grinder proxy war of attrition.

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2 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Russia isn't going to admit defeat and have an incredibly high tolerance for mounting death tolls.

Not really (or even close). Russian empire had been severely beaten by Japan in 1905 in the Far East and then folded completely in 1917 after only two years of a full-out war in Europe. It was about to collapse again in 1941 if it weren't for the Allies stepping in, in both fighting and massive supplies of military aid. It folded the third time, as USSR, in the late 1980s. That's three in less than a century. And by the looks of it, it has learned nothing. And it'll do it again happily for exact same reasons.

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4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Russia isn't going to admit defeat and have an incredibly high tolerance for mounting death tolls.

I'd point out they absolutely have admitted defeat before historically. I suspect that in this case it would involve getting rid of putin and blaming everything on him.

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Ukraine, does not. Of course, nobody wants to lose an inch of territory, but if losing little territory ensures your entry into NATO and guarantees future security, there is a price to pay to continue this war and one to pay to stop it. It will be up to Ukraine to decide if its pride is worth more than the lives of hundreds of thousands of more of its soldiers.

Russia has said that if ukraine tries to join nato that's grounds for an all out war. I mean sure - if there was a deal where russia kept crimea and some of it's occupied territory and Ukraine joined nato then that would be a fair situation to people like you and me. 

But russia absolutely cannot stand the idea of ukraine being part of nato and having american military forces on that border, AND i'm not sure nato really wants ukraine to be part of it. THey're not exactly a perfect country as far as stability and corruption goes.

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Russia already knows that in 2024, will likely them getting favorable negotiations when people start growing tired of rising death tolls, and billions of dollars being thrown into this meat grinder proxy war of attrition.

I don't know that they do "know" that. And by then there isn't going to be much left of their military. And that's a serious concern for them.

Also - it's hard to say how much land theyll still occupy by then. If ukraine's spring/summer offensive this year is as successful as last years, russia could have very few bargaining chips on the table.

And the draft was not very popular. Another round of drafts which might be necessary to hold out would turn sentiment against him again. 

I think there's going to be a lot more pressure on russia if this drags out another year. it is impacting them.

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Russia is a typical bully, now we (the world) can see, with a sadistic psychopathic streak. It is undefeated and strong only against much smaller opposition (too many examples) or unarmed civilians (Chechnya, Syria). I think this is true but please correct me if I'm wrong, from Crimean war of 1850s Russia has been beaten every single time facing a strong matching opponent, the last one being Cold war and the next, Ukraine. Like, the perfect score. And there's an obvious reason for that too: Russia never learns.

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2 minutes ago, myata said:

 I think this is true but please correct me if I'm wrong, from Crimean war of 1850s Russia has been beaten every single time facing a strong matching opponent, the last one being Cold war and the next, Ukraine. Like, the perfect score.

 Well....  depends how you want to score ww2.  They won against germany for sure, but they very clearly would not have if it weren't for the allies both in direct support and by opening a second front

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26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'd point out they absolutely have admitted defeat before historically.

Putin's hold on power, could not survive him losing face in this after the level of loss and humiliation that he has suffered. Of course, this is my opinion, but am basing it on the heavy handed pressure he is getting to use more force.

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If ukraine's spring/summer offensive this year is as successful as last years

Russia has gone into high gear in producing missiles. They had seen tons of success fighting from a distance. Some of their largest blunders were due to this, and not knowing the terrain.

Russia can force the hand of the west, by inflicting insanely high death tolls in brutal fashion.

This is Putin we are talking about, so common sense will be this is what they will be planning.

At what point do we learn from our past? 

When Zelenskyy is assassinated, and this becomes a terrorist state which was gifted with American weapons? 

Or do we quit while we are ahead?

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