Why are democrats lying about officers being killed on January 6th?

West · January 8, 2023

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

Yes, a handful of violent traitors were not granted bail. Fark 'em.

Most got bail though, only the worst didn't.

You'd be better off moving to China. They would be more up your alley in terms of political philosophy

Nationalist · January 8, 2023

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

NOTHING criminal about counting the EC votes AS REQUIRED by the Constitution. ^More delusion from YOU.

You sure do get wound up when I bring up that warped election.

Sort o' like...ur desperate to have this garbolla believed by everyone.

Yet democrats can an have believed any number of elections were garbolla.

Interesting...

Hodad · January 8, 2023

43 minutes ago, West said:

You'd be better off moving to China. They would be more up your alley in terms of political philosophy

The funny thing is, you're taking to the "team" that didn't just try to overthrow democracy and "suspend" the constitution. Hey some damn perspective.

West · January 8, 2023

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

The funny thing is, you're taking to the "team" that didn't just try to overthrow democracy and "suspend" the constitution. Hey some damn perspective.

Nice hyperbole lol..

Now opposing a Democrat is trying to "overthrow democracy".. I hope you are just being hyperbolic and not serious

Hodad · January 8, 2023

8 minutes ago, West said:

Nice hyperbole lol..

Now opposing a Democrat is trying to "overthrow democracy".. I hope you are just being hyperbolic and not serious

No hyperbole whatsoever. That is the express intent of the Eastman memo. Trump literally wrote that the constitution should be suspended.

If you're ignorant of those facts, shame on you. If you're aware of those facts and still giving them a pass, then you're beyond shame.

West · January 8, 2023

18 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No hyperbole whatsoever. That is the express intent of the Eastman memo. Trump literally wrote that the constitution should be suspended.

If you're ignorant of those facts, shame on you. If you're aware of those facts and still giving them a pass, then you're beyond shame.

Oh on the contrary there little lefty..

The process Giuluani promoted was in fact in the constitution.

What Democrats did by changing the rules to their benefit without consulting the people's representatives in their respective stated was what was ACTUALLY undemocratic in this whole thing.

Of course a lefty only believes that any challenges to their power are undemocratic while they impeach a guy over made up delusional nonsense.. but that's okay tho because lefties love democracy ?

Edited January 8, 2023 by West

robosmith · January 8, 2023

5 hours ago, West said:

Except that NEVER f'ing happened .

You folks are such vile individuals making up fake bs for politics.. just like the garbage collusion bs you lie again..

NY Times says you're WRONG, and they have A LOT more credibility than YOU.

Just cause you ignore the evidence does NOT make it go away, it just FEEDS your DELUSIONS.

robosmith · January 8, 2023

5 hours ago, West said:

No I'm going based on reports you dolt. Only the lunatics lefties are lying about people getting killed. You people really are warped

What reports? You mean what Fox News told you? NY Times tells the truth but you won't listen.

robosmith · January 8, 2023

5 hours ago, suds said:

Ok, I'll bite. Where did you get that tidbit of information from?

Did you ever bother to look up the DEFINITION?

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a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Attacking Congress to overturn the election FITS PERFECTLY.

robosmith · January 8, 2023

53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You sure do get wound up when I bring up that warped election.

Sort o' like...ur desperate to have this garbolla believed by everyone.

Yet democrats can an have believed any number of elections were garbolla.

Interesting...

Because YOU KEEP REPEATING your FANTASIES as FACT with NO EVIDENCE.

Very little was "warped" about that election, but you believe a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR named Trump. That is DELUSIONAL.

robosmith · January 8, 2023

13 minutes ago, West said:

Oh on the contrary there little lefty..

The process Giuluani promoted was in fact in the constitution.

What Democrats did by changing the rules to their benefit without consulting the people's representatives in their respective stated was what was ACTUALLY undemocratic in this whole thing.

Of course a lefty only believes that any challenges to their power are undemocratic while they impeach a guy over made up delusional nonsense.. but that's okay tho because lefties love democracy ?

Too bad you have NO EVIDENCE for ^THIS BULLSHIT.

I think you meant Eastman, who personally ADMITTED that his proposal IS ILLEGAL to Hershman, according to HIS SWORN TESTIMONY. You would know that if you actually paid attention to THE EVIDENCE.

It was Eastman who said Pence could throw out the EC electors on a whim. AKA, anti-democratic BULLSHIT.

West · January 8, 2023

20 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Too bad you have NO EVIDENCE for ^THIS BULLSHIT.

I think you meant Eastman, who personally ADMITTED that his proposal IS ILLEGAL to Hershman, according to HIS SWORN TESTIMONY. You would know that if you actually paid attention to THE EVIDENCE.

It was Eastman who said Pence could throw out the EC electors on a whim. AKA, anti-democratic BULLSHIT.

You don't have any evidence for anything you post.

Hodad · January 8, 2023

42 minutes ago, West said:

Oh on the contrary there little lefty..

The process Giuluani promoted was in fact in the constitution.

What Democrats did by changing the rules to their benefit without consulting the people's representatives in their respective stated was what was ACTUALLY undemocratic in this whole thing.

Of course a lefty only believes that any challenges to their power are undemocratic while they impeach a guy over made up delusional nonsense.. but that's okay tho because lefties love democracy ?

You are a dupe or a liar.

Time (or anywhere)

Greg Jacob, Vice President Mike Pence’s counsel, recounted a White House meeting on Jan. 4, 2021, in which Eastman said told Trump that his plan to thwart the counting of the Electoral College violated federal statute."

^^They knew it was illegal. They tried it anyway.

Edited January 8, 2023 by Hodad

suds · January 8, 2023

6 hours ago, Hodad said:

That's why it's called a "constitutional crisis." Nobody knows exactly what would have happened if they had executed the Eastman plan successfully. But if Mike Pence hadn't suddenly discovered his backbone we would have found out.

What does the average soldier do when the sitting POTUS and CIC seizes power again and the new POTUS is not sworn in? Who would they follow?

But, frankly, even just entertaining these hypotheticals is minimizing and normalizing an attempted coup. The odds of long-term success aren't even really relevant here. The problem is that they farking tried it. They literally, actually tried it. And it's bullshit to give them a pass just because it didn't work.

If Pence had executed the Eastman plan successfully his decision would have been reviewed by the courts and thrown out. Immediately would not have been soon enough. It isn't a matter for the military to decide but for the courts to decide. So the military waits just like everyone else for the courts to make their decision. Now if the Republicans (under Trump) had packed the Supreme Court with a few extra justices who they knew would vote their way (like the democrats have proposed doing)... that would certainly reinforce the 'coup' theory. Realistically, it's more an ill conceived attempt to hold on to power a little longer for whatever reason. That's not to say that congressmen like Cruz and Hawley making objections to certain voting irregularities is undemocratic or unconstitutional either. They were perfectly within their rights as congressmen to do so.

Nationalist · January 8, 2023

7 hours ago, robosmith said:

Because YOU KEEP REPEATING your FANTASIES as FACT with NO EVIDENCE.

Very little was "warped" about that election, but you believe a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR named Trump. That is DELUSIONAL.

No. I believe my eyes and my common sense.

ironstone · January 8, 2023

23 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Name callers? What are you talking about?

You are a Canadian which supports a movement lead by one Donald Trump which tried to overthrow the great system of the United States of America that brought hope to me and millions around the world.

So if we are to play by name callers in my estimation is: traitor x 2.

I am not a lefty to call you a fascist or a nazi, those are fake terms used by people which are the same in thinking as you on the opposite side.

what is next? you will call me a traitor because of some international conspiracy?

but in traitor terms. I vote here, pay my taxes here and respect Canada even though I don't like some of the political class.

You promote material of a criminal movement that tried to overthrow a legal FOREIGN governmenent (not even yours).

Who is the traitor?

You talked about a criminal movement that tried to overthrow a legal foreign government(from a Canadian perspective). From what I've seen and read about Jan 6, there was nothing of the sort. I wouldn't count on a relative handful of crazy protesters as an actual, credible attempt at overthrowing the US government. The majority of the protesters there on Jan 6 were acting peacefully.

Can you say with a straight face, that at no time in history, has the US ever participated in the overthrowing of any legitimate foreign government?

The constant repetition of the Jan 6 story by the media has not apparently reached everyone. Perhaps because they don't have as many viewers as they would like?

Hodad · January 8, 2023

4 hours ago, suds said:

If Pence had executed the Eastman plan successfully his decision would have been reviewed by the courts and thrown out. Immediately would not have been soon enough. It isn't a matter for the military to decide but for the courts to decide. So the military waits just like everyone else for the courts to make their decision. Now if the Republicans (under Trump) had packed the Supreme Court with a few extra justices who they knew would vote their way (like the democrats have proposed doing)... that would certainly reinforce the 'coup' theory. Realistically, it's more an ill conceived attempt to hold on to power a little longer for whatever reason. That's not to say that congressmen like Cruz and Hawley making objections to certain voting irregularities is undemocratic or unconstitutional either. They were perfectly within their rights as congressmen to do so.

"For some reason..." Lol

They DID pack the court with Trump-appointed justices (and cheated to do it). And what makes you think that a man who proposed suspending the constitution to regain power is going to listen to the courts? He already tried to overturn the will of the voters, from which all power is supposed to originate.

You're making excuses for behavior that was truly beyond the pale, hand-waving it away because it probably wouldn't have worked or some other entity would surely have stopped the madness.

A. The idea that someone might have stopped the coup does not excuse the attempt.

B. Even a failed coup is a grevious and irreparable harm to the institution and the people.

C. Every fallen democracy starts with naivete and a lack of vigilance. "It'll never happen here!"

Regardless of what you think might have eventually happened, something terrible and harmful DID happen and we were on the verge of far, far worse.

Rebound · January 8, 2023

5 hours ago, suds said:

If Pence had executed the Eastman plan successfully his decision would have been reviewed by the courts and thrown out. Immediately would not have been soon enough. It isn't a matter for the military to decide but for the courts to decide. So the military waits just like everyone else for the courts to make their decision. Now if the Republicans (under Trump) had packed the Supreme Court with a few extra justices who they knew would vote their way (like the democrats have proposed doing)... that would certainly reinforce the 'coup' theory. Realistically, it's more an ill conceived attempt to hold on to power a little longer for whatever reason. That's not to say that congressmen like Cruz and Hawley making objections to certain voting irregularities is undemocratic or unconstitutional either. They were perfectly within their rights as congressmen to do so.

Please read the thread I started about CRT, and ask yourself if the US Government or Supreme Court have always done the right thing.

ironstone · January 8, 2023

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

I am sick and tired of this topic, everyone with their BIAS but will do it anyways.

If a bunch of BLM protestors would have done inside the capitol what these members of the far right did, you and some here would be screaming for life in prison. Am I right or wrong?

Yes I know lots stayed outside.

and no it does not matter what you, populists, me, @Rebound, Trump or others think.

All that entered = traitors, the ones that stayed outside = protestors is my final conclusion which also does not matter.

All it matters is this:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-violence

as for Babbit, that decided that day to play around the sword watch the video below and when you live by the sword:

---> Here is the full video scene when Ashli Babbit arrives there and yells: "What the ****", "Here they are" and then the rest of scene with the punk (Zachary Allem) smashing the window + the shooting. Her intent was clear in my eyes, she assumed the risk when she joined the mob going towards lawmakers that were running away on the other side.

Covers the switch between regular police and tactical police:

*I marked it at the exact time, the event is about 2 minutes.

https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0?t=1600

*one needs to sign in.

The one's that engaged in violence should be charged. Anyone that went there and simply protested in an entirely peaceful manner should not face any kind legal repercussions. Peaceful protest is a right. Rioting is not. Anyone that incited others to engage in illegal activities should be charged. I know you'll respond by bringing up Trump, but he did not incite anyone. You guys seem to have absolutely no problem with Ray Epps.

You state-all that entered=traitors. I must point out that Antifa/BLM have also entered federal buildings and caused extensive damage. The political left went out of their way to try and get these guys out on bail ASAP. In a Portland protest, a federal courthouse was barricaded with officers still trapped inside, and then attempted to burn it down. Silence from the political left.

WestCanMan · January 8, 2023

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

Why the hell are you bringing up Michael Brown?

Are you stupid?

An alt-leftist was just talking about someone "trying to kill a cop" (by opening a door 'murderously', I suppose?), as if it was a bad thing. The official position of leftists for years was that it's ok to try to kill cops. They deserve it.

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And you're lying. There were obviously "found" weapons employed, but also people in the mob armed with guns.

https://news.yahoo.com/guns-knives-flagpoles-skateboard-guide-174530861.html

Of course I wasn't lying, why would I need to lie when I'm talking to leftards? You're all low-hanging fruit, boy.

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On Jan. 16, FBI agents executed a search warrant at the Wylie, Texas, home of alleged Capitol rioter Guy Reffitt. In his bedroom, agents found a holster with a Smith & Wesson semiautomatic handgun that they suspected he’d brought to Washington.

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Reffitt is one of three people charged with carrying a gun onto Capitol grounds; no one is charged so far with having a gun inside the building. Two others are charged with bringing guns and explosives to Washington.

So if you're keeping score, there are only 3 people charged with bringing a gun onto the grounds, and in at least one of those 3 instances there's no proof that he even had a gun with him. It might have just been in his house. That means that if he even had it with him, he never even brandished the weapon.

Are the other two cases just idle speculation as well? "He has a gun so he mighta brought it...."

Did anyone fire a gun in this attempted violent coup genius? Did anyone show someone a gun? Did anyone point a gun at someone?

Aside from those 3 guns that "might have been there", there are two more that might have been brought to Washington.

Guess what Einstein, Americans own around 400 million firearms, GOP supporters own at least half of those. Are you saying that they brought somewhere between 0-5 guns, didn't even crack off 1 round, and that constitutes attempting to "violently overthrow the government and end democracy"?

Ashley Babbit didn't even have a gun and you specifically accused her of trying to "violently overthrow the government and end democracy"...

That's the dumbest thing you've ever said by far on this forum, and you're easily in the top 5 dumbest posters here. Maybe top 3.

If I carry a feather into the woods, can I be charged with poaching bears Einstein?

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And somehow I don't think that you being factually wrong about this will sway your opinion one iota. Facts don't seem to matter to you at all when they are inconvenient to your political narrative.

Grow up Hodad. I'm not factually wrong at all. So far you identified one guy who might have had intent to kill. FYI that doesn't mean that Ashley Babbit had intent to kill, and it definitely doesn't mean that there was an attempt to "end democracy".

Do you know how many people brandished, maybe even fired fully automatic "assault rifles" when they overran a police station and took over part of Seattle, declaring autonomy? They even killed a 16 yr old black kid in their "autonomous zone". Was that just a mini-rebellion, or was it step one in a plot to "violently overthrow the government and end democracy"?

Are you sure that it was a violent insurrection in DC? Maybe it was just a summer of love. (Not many leftards will know that January isn't in the summer)

Are you gonna say that you're dumb enough to believe all the things you said, or are you gonna admit to being a liar? There's no third option, it's one or the other.

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Mark Andre Mazza, a rioter who drove up from Indiana, brought a .45-caliber revolver to the riots. While on the grounds, Mazza assaulted a police officer and somehow along the way dropped his firearm. Mazza later told investigators that he was looking for then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and authorities would "be here for a different reason” if he had found her. Mazza was sentenced to 60 months after pleading guilty to assaulting a police officer and carrying a pistol without a license.

So he had a gun, never even pulled it out it when confronting an armed police officer, he didn't bring it into the capitol building, and yet he's the strongest piece of evidence that you have for your stupid comment that Ashley Babbit was attempting to "violently overthrow the government and end democracy"?

Forget the top 3 dumbest, dude. You don't even have 500 posts here yet and somehow you managed to rocket past people with as many as 30,700 posts here to take the #1 spot.

Rebound · January 8, 2023

14 minutes ago, ironstone said:

The one's that engaged in violence should be charged. Anyone that went there and simply protested in an entirely peaceful manner should not face any kind legal repercussions. Peaceful protest is a right. Rioting is not. Anyone that incited others to engage in illegal activities should be charged. I know you'll respond by bringing up Trump, but he did not incite anyone. You guys seem to have absolutely no problem with Ray Epps.

You state-all that entered=traitors. I must point out that Antifa/BLM have also entered federal buildings and caused extensive damage. The political left went out of their way to try and get these guys out on bail ASAP. In a Portland protest, a federal courthouse was barricaded with officers still trapped inside, and then attempted to burn it down. Silence from the political left.

Has any peaceful protestor from January 6 been charged with a crime? No, of course not.

WestCanMan · January 8, 2023

9 hours ago, Contrarian said:

*The guy up front up ended up getting several years in prison.

He deserved it. You can tell he said some really bad words there.

Rebound · January 8, 2023

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He deserved it. You can tell he said some really bad words there.

You must have missed the part in the video where he smashed in three windows with his bare fists. He then grabbed a riot helmet and further smashed the windows. Ashli Babbit then tried to climb through one of thee shattered windows, and was shot and killed.
If he had not smashed these windows, Babbit probably wouldn’t have been shot, but that’s not why he’s charged with multiple felonies.

From what I gather, he has not been convicted or sentenced yet. He pleaded not guilty to all charges and in his arraignment, he continually argued with the judge and his own lawyer about an unrelated case (Note that nobody ever wins a case by arguing with their own lawyer and the judge). If he continues to resist a plea deal, he’ll probably spend six years or so in jail, but we’ll see what happens.

ALAM, Zachary Jordan

Case Number:

1:21-cr-190

Charge(s):

Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers; Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon; Civil Disorder and Aiding and Abetting; Destruction of Government Property Exceeding $1,000; Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon; Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Building; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in Capitol

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defendants/alam-zachary-jordan

Edited January 8, 2023 by Rebound

WestCanMan · January 8, 2023

7 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You must have missed the part in the video where he smashed in three windows with his bare fists.

OMG! LOCK HIM UP FOR A BILLION YEARS!!!!!!!

Just out of curiosity, how many years did BLMers go to jail for when they used automatic weapons to overrun a police station in Seattle? Thank God they didn't smash any windows or they'd be locked up forever, hey?

WestCanMan · January 8, 2023

8 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

It's ok, next time your friends try another coup, you can get him out and put him in charge of security at the new "People's Capitol".

Why are people on the right calling for proletarian to revolt?

I don't know about you but I rather Mike Pence play the role of a politician than that guy which lead a mob, pardon me a protest inside the Capitol and smahed symbolistic property. A thug, therefore.

Geez, that was a quick response. You must have missed P2 of the Trudeau/China thread, about Russia and China...