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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

We do have a Constitution and Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Any laws are subject to them. Don't be so melodramatic. 

 

And we all have seen what those two are worth to the fascist Liberals and their zombie supporters.

You'll be justifying murder right alongside them...with a straight face.

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7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

And we all have seen what those two are worth to the fascist Liberals and their zombie supporters.

You'll be justifying murder right alongside them...with a straight face.

I'm not justifying anything. A person deciding to take their own life is not murder. You complain about government trying to control you as you try to control others. 

As I said before giving people options is a good thing, trying to coerce them into a course of action is not. I don't know if I could help someone end their life or not. I do know that if I did, I would have to be convinced of their reasons and that it was the best for them before I could even consider it.

 

If you don't believe in the protections the Charter and Constitution give you, perhaps you would be happier in North Korea or Russia.

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8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I'm not justifying anything. A person deciding to take their own life is not murder. You complain about government trying to control you as you try to control others. 

 

 

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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Yeah...pay here.

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

I'm not justifying anything. A person deciding to take their own life is not murder. You complain about government trying to control you as you try to control others. 

As I said before giving people options is a good thing, trying to coerce them into a course of action is not. I don't know if I could help someone end their life or not. I do know that if I did, I would have to be convinced of their reasons and that it was the best for them before I could even consider it.

 

If you don't believe in the protections the Charter and Constitution give you, perhaps you would be happier in North Korea or Russia.

That’s your excuse for weak medical ethics that makes it easy and likely that vulnerable people will be put to death, including the mentally ill, elderly, and children?  You reference oppressive societies and say, “See, we’re better than they are.”   It’s a poor argument, but it’s the one our government used to change the channel on the use of the Emergencies Act: “Look at Ukraine! Russia bad!”

Wise people can hold multiple perspectives at once: Russia behaved badly in Ukraine.  Canada’s government has become too controlling.

I could also critique Neo-Nazism in Ukraine and talk about a slew of examples of American manipulation of world affairs from the installation of Saddam Husain to the support of the Mujahideen yet also be grateful for America’s defence of freedom from communism.  Sometimes the US and NATO got it wrong.  I’m sure the intentions were good, though people act in complicated ways that involve self-interest and conflicting interests.

The only value of this forum is to ensure that government policies have positive outcomes that add prosperity and freedom rather than damage humanity, in the long and short-term.

We already know that Canada is a better place to live than many countries.  The better question to ask is whether Canada is getting better or worse.

It’s very clear that our government is leaning on assisted suicide as a means of cutting healthcare costs (auditor referred to this).  The main reason we had so many lockdowns and restrictions was to keep our healthcare system from getting overwhelmed.  Basically our government has compromised our constitutional rights to prop up a failed socialist healthcare system.

Are you willing to look honestly at the ethical implications and incompetence or are you just going to defend the status quo and proclaim how much better we are than the worst places?

We have too many commentators on here who have this knee-jerk defence mechanism.  It’s always the same rhetoric:  We’re not the US!  We had fewer deaths!  [So did China.]  You’re all conspiracy clowns!  Look at Russia, China, North Korea!

It’s not unlike our government’s tactic of calling all government critics white supremacists or people with unacceptable views.  It’s a tired pattern.

 

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31 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s your excuse for weak medical ethics that makes it easy and likely that vulnerable people will be put to death, including the mentally ill, elderly, and children?  You reference oppressive societies and say, “See, we’re better than they are.”   It’s a poor argument, but it’s the one our government used to change the channel on the use of the Emergencies Act: “Look at Ukraine! Russia bad!”

 

WTF are you talking about?  No one is talking about putting anyone to death, it's about how do we give people more control over their own lives while making sure they aren't taken advantage of. You are the one who wants to control people.

Did you even bother to read the article?

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On 11/12/2022 at 1:29 PM, West said:

This is about Trudeau's desire to kill the mentally ill.. I see you didn't read the article

I read it the day it was published, and what I remember from it was that absolutely nothing in the article would lead a rational mind to the hysterical thread title you posted here.  

Nobody here is surprised though, because you just can't help yourself.  

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Did you?

Yes. Are you trying to say the article supports MAID for the mentally ill?

“MAID sounds peaceful, she says. And also too tempting. How can it be, she wonders, that the same system meant to keep her alive might soon help her die?  When that option arrives in March, Canada will have one of the most liberal euthanasia laws in the world, joining only a few other countries that allow assisted dying for mental illness.”

“Bill C-7 passed before the full consequences of COVID-19 were known, before the pandemic ripped through the health care system and left it in tatters. The law requires patients asking for MAID to be informed of possible treatment options that might alleviate their suffering. But this assumes those are readily available. Instead, wait times to see mental health clinicians have only increased. Psychotherapy, a recommended treatment for most mental disorders, remains too expensive for many Canadians. In Toronto alone, an estimated 16,000 people are waiting for supportive housing for mental illness and addiction.In Ontario, nearly 6,000 patients with the most severe mental disorders are on a years-long list for specialist community-based care. The rising cost of rent and food is also taking a particular toll on people with chronic mental illness, who are often already the poorest in society – and the very candidates who will qualify for assisted dying under the new law.”

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9 hours ago, Aristides said:

I'm not justifying anything. A person deciding to take their own life is not murder. You complain about government trying to control you as you try to control others. 

As I said before giving people options is a good thing, trying to coerce them into a course of action is not. I don't know if I could help someone end their life or not. I do know that if I did, I would have to be convinced of their reasons and that it was the best for them before I could even consider it.

 

If you don't believe in the protections the Charter and Constitution give you, perhaps you would be happier in North Korea or Russia.

But participating in someone taking their own life is immoral

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3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

If they are too sick to carry on, why is it immoral?

So put them out of their misery like dogs, right?  Those vet bills can be pricey.  You really don’t know what you’re supporting, or maybe you do.  It’s a system where human life is cheap and manipulative bad actors can murder vulnerable people. It’s a place where people who aren’t of sound mind are empowered by the state to take their own lives and this is labeled healthcare.  It happens quietly. The dead can’t launch complaints. What an amoral second rate country. Not a good place to get old or sick. 

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15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 

Sadly, you are absolutely correct.  "It's a place where people who aren't of sound mind are empowered by the state to take their own lives and is labeled healthcare."  The moral and political landscape of this country has changed so dramatically over the last few years that it's almost impossible to see the remnants of what used to be.  

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If we have a Charter of Rights, why do we have court rulings that give a drunk driver who killed people a relatively small number of years in prison and then he may get out on parole after half of the sentence?  Yet a sexual predator may get a much greater sentence than a killer but he didn't actually kill anyone although me may have caused a lot of harm.  I would think a killer should get a far greater sentence than a sexual predator.  I am not diminishing the evil of sexual predators but only showing the corruption of the justice system in its warped punishments.  Or is punishment for crime passe?  I guess the first priority is rehabilitation, not punishment in liberal minds.

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23 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

And we all have seen what those two are worth to the fascist Liberals and their zombie supporters.

You'll be justifying murder right alongside them...with a straight face.

They are worth a lot.

There has never been  breach of charter rights by Government.

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5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

There has never been  breach of charter rights by Government.

If that is true, why has there been a genocide against unborn babies in Canada?  What about the right to life?

If there is no breach of the Charter by government, why are thousands of people who need surgery for cancer and other things being put on a waiting list and discriminated against?

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23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If that is true, why has there been a genocide against unborn babies in Canada?  What about the right to life?

Abortion = genocide?  ?  Abortion rights are protected by Section 7 of the Charter, protecting the life, liberty and security of every individual (including WOMEN).  Fortunately for us, the Bible isn't the final legal authority in Canada!

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If there is no breach of the Charter by government, why are thousands of people who need surgery for cancer and other things being put on a waiting list and discriminated against?

C A P A C I T Y

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8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Abortion = genocide?  ?  Abortion rights are protected by Section 7 of the Charter, protecting the life, liberty and security of every individual (including WOMEN).  Fortunately for us, the Bible isn't the final legal authority in Canada!

C A P A C I T Y

Yes, abortion is genocide.  The unborn are people too and under the Charter Section 7 that you referred to, the unborn should be protected.  Their life is just as sacred as other people who are already outside the womb.  Unfortunately, human life is not respected in the government or legal system for all people.  Human life begins before birth.  This is biblical as well as historical.  Our system is evil and corrupt.

Using "capacity" is just an excuse for a major failure in the health care system.  Ask anyone or any politician and they will tell you the health care system is failing.  Putting thousands of people on waiting list is not treating everyone equally.  It is discrimination against people with serious medical problems such as cancer or heart conditions, etc.  Liberal and Socialist governments promised public health care for everyone, but failed to deliver.  They did not put enough resources into it long ago and it is failing.  Their solution is to discriminate against certain classes or age groups of people.

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5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, abortion is genocide.  The unborn are people too and under the Charter Section 7 that you referred to, the unborn should be protected. 

The only thing that matters, legally, is that the woman's rights to choose are entrenched in Law, and that the rights of the fetus (whatever they are - this is legally vague) do not overrule the mother's. 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Their life is just as sacred as other people who are already outside the womb.  Unfortunately, human life is not respected in the government or legal system for all people.  Human life begins before birth.  This is biblical as well as historical.  Our system is evil and corrupt.

Fortunately Bible-thumping is not acknowledged as a sound basis for legal or medical theory.  

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Using "capacity" is just an excuse for a major failure in the health care system. 

It's not an excuse.  It's an acknowledgement of that failure.  That doesn't constitute a violation of the Charter, however.  ?

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7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The only thing that matters, legally, is that the woman's rights to choose are entrenched in Law, and that the rights of the fetus (whatever they are - this is legally vague) do not overrule the mother's. 

Fortunately Bible-thumping is not acknowledged as a sound basis for legal or medical theory.  

It's not an excuse.  It's an acknowledgement of that failure.  That doesn't constitute a violation of the Charter, however.  ?

You just confirmed how evil and corrupt the system is.  The Charter is not protecting all people, but you somehow try to justify it.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

If that is true, why has there been a genocide against unborn babies in Canada?  What about the right to life?

If there is no breach of the Charter by government, why are thousands of people who need surgery for cancer and other things being put on a waiting list and discriminated against?

How are any of your claims breaching the charter??

What chapter?

Abortion is not illegal.

Waiting for surgery of any kind is a matter of capability, not charter.

What discrimination is against the charter?

Everybody can blow, but few have actual smoke.

 

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1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Abortion = genocide?  ?  Abortion rights are protected by Section 7 of the Charter, protecting the life, liberty and security of every individual (including WOMEN).  Fortunately for us, the Bible isn't the final legal authority in Canada!

C A P A C I T Y

So babies aren’t humans and aren’t entitled to Charter protections?

So even when it’s clear that a premature baby can survive outside the womb that baby has zero rights or protections?

This is an example of the moral repugnance that’s the norm in Canada today.  Zero protection for unborn babies up until the expected delivery date.

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