Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Let's be real here, nobody would give two f***s if Russia decided to invade Somalia. 

Trudeau would likely send a scathing email and call the act reprehensible (and underline it twice), and that "we stood by Somalia", while standing by and doing nothing. You're not sending no weapons to no Somalia. 

Ukrainian people look just like regular Caucasian people, so making them relatable.

You see a white mother clutching her daughter in fear, and it resonated far deeper than seeing a mother with a niqab sobbing over her deceased sons corpse.

The latter would likely have many flip the channel, whereas the Ukrainian would have westerners demand action.

Same effect if a beautiful white woman was kidnapped. 

They would send the SWAT team. Find out she also volunteered and loved her little brother, and the internet would explode like a 5'2 Asian woman seeking anal for the first time, on Kijiji.

If Ethiopian woman Agnes had gone missing, she likely would barely make the slot after weather reports for the week. 

Worse, if Afghan Fatima was kidnapped and people saw her smiling through her Niqab. 

She would be by the crossword puzzle.

Let's be real here.

Standing by Ukraine allows politicians to virtue signal and promote their white savior complexes.

Most white politicians could careless about white people or the white country that they were born in. They would eliminate white people in an instance if it meant more money for them and big profits and power. Our non-white immigration policy shows us all that. When our politicians keep bringing in millions of non-whites into Canada every year, approx. 80% which has been happening for decades now, it is not hard to see that the white people will soon become a  minority in their own white homeland. Sadly, we allow them to destroy this once great British/European all for a few pieces of silver. A treasonous act indeed. Just my opinion. 

[Moonbox]

7 hours ago, taxme said:

Some people are called conspiracy "clowns", by clown people like yourself, only because they dare to ask questions and challenge anything that the government or the MSM has to say. Not all Canadians are like you who refuse to question or challenge our bought off politicians and the MSM and what they have to spread.

"I daRE to aSk QueStIons" is the coping mechanism of every conspiracy clown - a comforting self-delusion that convinces you EVERYONE ELSE is the problem, not you, no no.  YOU'RE the critical thinker here, coming up with clueless gems like:

7 hours ago, taxme said:

So, is the Ukraine dictatorship considered to be a more trustworthy source of information then? You tell me, expert. 

The former comedian elected in 2019 vs the ex-KGB colonel who's ruled Russia for 24 years?  Which one is more trustworthy!?! 

The only dumb questions are the ones we already know the answer to, but they're also the only ones you're "daring to ask".  ?

7 hours ago, taxme said:

My viewpoint is not aligned with anything. I despise all of those countries you mentioned above. 

Whether you like those countries or not is irrelevant.  You're repeating the same viewpoints as they are - the same dumb arguments, the same pro-Russia rhetoric.  That you don't see the contradiction is unsurprising, however.  

[Guest]

14 hours ago, taxme said:

Most white politicians could careless about white people

From a war torn country, and getting to virtue signal about saving these people? 

They would be all over it.

Also, look no further than a beautiful white girl being shot vs black. Aboriginal girl getting raped and killed vs a beautiful white girl. 

Know who Gaby Petito is?

If it rings a bell, you have just proven my point, if you can't think of a black woman or aboriginal that has also been murdered and gone missing.

14 hours ago, taxme said:

When our politicians keep bringing in millions of non-whites into Canada every year

This again, has more to do with virtue signaling.

The fact so many people from Syria, Haiti and several other countries that were "rescued" find themselves at homeless shelters and on the streets, showcases this is more about optics and votes than genuinely caring for these people.

[Guest]

People feeling any incoming  collapse will happen are delusional at best.

Especially those feeling the economy would collapse.

[taxme]

On 7/21/2023 at 10:21 PM, Moonbox said:

"I daRE to aSk QueStIons" is the coping mechanism of every conspiracy clown - a comforting self-delusion that convinces you EVERYONE ELSE is the problem, not you, no no.  YOU'RE the critical thinker here, coming up with clueless gems like:

The former comedian elected in 2019 vs the ex-KGB colonel who's ruled Russia for 24 years?  Which one is more trustworthy!?! 

The only dumb questions are the ones we already know the answer to, but they're also the only ones you're "daring to ask".  ?

Whether you like those countries or not is irrelevant.  You're repeating the same viewpoints as they are - the same dumb arguments, the same pro-Russia rhetoric.  That you don't see the contradiction is unsurprising, however.  

No, you do not ask questions and you know it. For if you did, you would not be so anti-Russia. Russia has their side of the story to tell, which Zelensky supporters like you do not want to hear about at all. It's all Russia's fault. You are the one that is trying to spread conspiracy theories about Russia. Critical thinking is not one of your forte, ? face. 

The former joker turned Nazi like dictator for Ukraine is doing everything possible to get rid of religions, political opponent party's, shutting down the media, and is destroying democracy in Ukraine. And yet you think and believe that the ex-KGB colonel is bad. I would prefer to trust Putin than to trust your Nazi hero Zelensky.

Daring to ask questions or challenge anything told by the western MSM will always end up with someone being called a conspiracy nut job. The only nut jobs here are the ones that refuse to try and get the other side of the story just like you, moon beam. As far as I am concerned, anything you say is will be taken as just more conspiracy nonsense on your part. ? 

[taxme]

On 7/22/2023 at 4:20 AM, Perspektiv said:

From a war torn country, and getting to virtue signal about saving these people? 

They would be all over it.

Also, look no further than a beautiful white girl being shot vs black. Aboriginal girl getting raped and killed vs a beautiful white girl. 

Know who Gaby Petito is?

If it rings a bell, you have just proven my point, if you can't think of a black woman or aboriginal that has also been murdered and gone missing.

This again, has more to do with virtue signaling.

The fact so many people from Syria, Haiti and several other countries that were "rescued" find themselves at homeless shelters and on the streets, showcases this is more about optics and votes than genuinely caring for these people.

There is no way in fkn hell that you can convince me that our politicians give a crap about Canada or anything else. If they did, they would not be flooding Canada with millions of new non-white legal or illegal refugees into Canada every year. They are committing racial genocide against the white people of Canada. My only concern is all about what is happening to my white brothers and sisters. 

The rescuing and allowing all of those Syrians, Hatians and other non-whites into the country to end up living in shelters and on the streets is the fault of our stupid politicians who like you said, like to virtue signal, that in the end they screw everything friggin up. Everything is pretty much being destroyed in Canada, from our infrastructure, to our environment, to housing but yet our politicians keep on bringing them in by the millions. Where is the caring here? Nowhere. ?

[Moonbox]

52 minutes ago, taxme said:

No, you do not ask questions and you know it. For if you did, you would not be so anti-Russia.

If you were actually asking questions, you'd realize the Zelensky-is-a-Nazi-dictator story makes absolutely no sense. So limited are your reasoning skills, and so desperate is your need to cope with the unhappy reality that's left you behind, you'll just sit here parroting direct-from-the-Kremlin propaganda like the angry twit you are. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, taxme said:

There is no way in fkn hell that you can convince me that our politicians give a crap about Canada or anything else

They care about their grip on power and whatever they have to do to retain it. 

Ukraine is about the white savior complex. 

I know someone who took in a refugee single mom and her daughter. All they do is tell everyone about how they are helping Ukraine.

They were first in line. 

Why didn't they do so for a Syrian family? Why do I never hear their support for any other countries in similarly desperate situations?

Some seem shocked that its not just Ukraine that is under conflict. Not the only ones being dispersed due to it  regarding civilians.

Saying this in public, would get you canceled for being on Putins side. 

What if am on neither and am siding with peace?

Why is the US adamant in terms of heavy handed pressure that their allies take sides?

If this was necessary why would pressure be needed?

This is all about wanting to oust Putin, and using Ukraine to get in his way.

Battle of unwavering egos which is the story of many wars and thousands of innocent civilians being caught in the crossfire.

Nobody asks "how did we come to this" and instead points to the illegal nature of the invasion. 

How did we come to this aims to understand all sides.

[Moonbox]

Dumb.  

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Dumb.  

Actually @Perspektiv made a very lucid point. But its "Dumb" to you because...lucidity requires individual thought instead of accepting spoon-fed narratives.

So...who's the "Dumb" one here?

[Moonbox]

Between the two of you, I’d say Perspektiv is probably dumber, but please don’t take that to mean that anyone thinks you’re intelligent.  

[Guest]

The reason why sanctions aren't as effective as suspected:

I get it, its politically correct to say sanctions are destroying the Russian economy.

Reality, is they have only seen a contraction of about 3%, a far cry from what experts were predicting.

As if Russia hasn't found ways to import western products and use loopholes to do so.

[Nationalist]

On 7/24/2023 at 6:38 PM, taxme said:

No, you do not ask questions and you know it. For if you did, you would not be so anti-Russia. Russia has their side of the story to tell, which Zelensky supporters like you do not want to hear about at all. It's all Russia's fault. You are the one that is trying to spread conspiracy theories about Russia. Critical thinking is not one of your forte, ? face. 

The former joker turned Nazi like dictator for Ukraine is doing everything possible to get rid of religions, political opponent party's, shutting down the media, and is destroying democracy in Ukraine. And yet you think and believe that the ex-KGB colonel is bad. I would prefer to trust Putin than to trust your Nazi hero Zelensky.

Daring to ask questions or challenge anything told by the western MSM will always end up with someone being called a conspiracy nut job. The only nut jobs here are the ones that refuse to try and get the other side of the story just like you, moon beam. As far as I am concerned, anything you say is will be taken as just more conspiracy nonsense on your part. ? 

Dude...moonbat doesn't care about silly things like peace or the lives of Ukrainians. He has been told that the war is to save democracy worldwide and Putin Bad. That's all he knows and all he cares about. To him and many like him...this is a blood-sport for him to watch without having to participate. 

[Boges]

21 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

The reason why sanctions aren't as effective as suspected:

I get it, its politically correct to say sanctions are destroying the Russian economy.

Reality, is they have only seen a contraction of about 3%, a far cry from what experts were predicting.

As if Russia hasn't found ways to import western products and use loopholes to do so.

Maybe provide cites for all your claims. Not just a picture.

 

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Dude...moonbat doesn't care about silly things like peace or the lives of Ukrainians. He has been told that the war is to save democracy worldwide and Putin Bad.

Ya I'm the one that doesn't care about Ukrainian lives:

?

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

That's all he knows and all he cares about. To him and many like him...this is a blood-sport for him to watch without having to participate. 

Yet I'm not the one whose viewpoint is aligned with Syria, Iran, North Korea etc, nor do I quote their news agencies:

Take a look at that map, clown, and remember that you're doing the same rationalization that North Korea is.  ??

Edited July 27, 2023 by Moonbox

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Maybe provide cites for all your claims. Not just a picture.

Here you go:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/border-fear-then-relief-men-fleeing-russia-2022-10-05/

This genius posted a picture from an article showing Russian conscription-age men fleeing Russia last year across the Georgian border.  ?

Edited July 26, 2023 by Moonbox

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Maybe provide cites for all your claims. Not just a picture.

This particular country is Georgia, but Russia since last year, have found multiple ways to circumvent the harsh sanctions, hence their ability to avoid a full or even partial collapse of their economy.

They created a boom in business, as western goods are smuggled into Russia, via loopholes several countries are exploiting.

This is only one example, of the many others where they have simply diversified and amplified their business dealings with other countries which are friendly towards them.

Point am making is the west likes to boast at how crippling their sanctions are.

I just don't see it. 

Businesses like ours use suppliers we only recently found out use Russian raw materials.

Many of us are not aware how likely that this is. In my case, its aluminum.

They are one of the worlds largest producers of the material. First is China.

Pivoting and avoiding both to make a political statement, and making your products go up 50+ % makes zero business sense.

Considering many of their industries are humming along, I just don't see how you take the feet out from underneath them.

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

This particular country is Georgia, but Russia since last year, have found multiple ways to circumvent the harsh sanctions, hence their ability to avoid a full or even partial collapse of their economy.

They created a boom in business, as western goods are smuggled into Russia, via loopholes several countries are exploiting.

This is only one example, of the many others where they have simply diversified and amplified their business dealings with other countries which are friendly towards them.

Point am making is the west likes to boast at how crippling their sanctions are.

I just don't see it. 

Businesses like ours use suppliers we only recently found out use Russian raw materials.

Many of us are not aware how likely that this is. In my case, its aluminum.

They are one of the worlds largest producers of the material. First is China.

Pivoting and avoiding both to make a political statement, and making your products go up 50+ % makes zero business sense.

Considering many of their industries are humming along, I just don't see how you take the feet out from underneath them.

How do you see anything? All you see is what the State-Run Russian media tells you. 

 

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Boges said:

How do you see anything? All you see is what the State-Run Russian media tells you. 

This isn't from Russia. I don't watch Russian media, and struggle watching western media in general due to how divisive it is. I don't find many news outlets to being too far from the propaganda machine that is Russian news.

Russia wouldn't boast about truck caravans. This is from western media, that were able to see the issue in Georgia, via investigative coverage. 

It is impossible to know the extent of what is being smuggled, but when you consider these lineups of trucks go back for kilometers seemingly without end.

Sanctions hurt, but when you look at a 3% contraction when you were expecting far more, it means your methods have failed.

Of course they feel pressure, but there isn't enough to override their will to see this invasion through.

[Boges]

36 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

This isn't from Russia. I don't watch Russian media, and struggle watching western media in general due to how divisive it is. I don't find many news outlets to being too far from the propaganda machine that is Russian news.

Russia wouldn't boast about truck caravans. This is from western media, that were able to see the issue in Georgia, via investigative coverage. 

It is impossible to know the extent of what is being smuggled, but when you consider these lineups of trucks go back for kilometers seemingly without end.

Sanctions hurt, but when you look at a 3% contraction when you were expecting far more, it means your methods have failed.

Of course they feel pressure, but there isn't enough to override their will to see this invasion through.

I'm not sure if you have member Moonbox blocked but you he has sourced your picture to a news report to an Exodus of young working men when Putin declared a partial conscription. 

I don't doubt that Russia will find a way to get its resources to market but they certainly don't have the leverage that they might normally have and they won't get the price they would prefer. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Exodus of young working men when Putin declared a partial conscription. 

I don't trust the media. The west paints it as all is going great Ukraine, which is full of it. 

Russia will even lie about death tolls and the fact there is a full blown war, so is a write off from the start.

If you were genuinely seeking debate, you would have just done any quick Google check, to see how western goods get to Russia considering they are heavily sanctioned.

Like I said. Realities trampling on what they want you to believe, would have more people pressuring the powers that be to stop this war.

[Moonbox]

Nobody said that western goods weren't still getting to Russia, but when your entire western border (where most of your population lives) is closed and no western countries are willing to trade with you, secondary and black markets are all you've got.  Your prices will be worse and your supply much lower too.  Pretending that the sanctions haven't had effect is deluded.  

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Ya I'm the one that doesn't care about Ukrainian lives:

?

Yet I'm not the own whose viewpoint is aligned with Syria, Iran, North Korea etc, nor do I quote their news agencies:

Take a look at that map, clown, and remember that you're doing the same rationalization that North Korea is.  ??

Hi Clown-boy.

[Moonbox]

Beautiful.  Let's keep that quote up there for everyone to see.  It's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said on this thread, and it's all yours . 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Pretending that the sanctions haven't had effect is deluded.  

Desired effect and simply an effect are vastly different. Pointing to the former. 

Just like Connor McGregor promising to knock out Floyd Mayweather, and then after the match boasting on having connected more punches than most fighters usually do against him, in a knockout loss. The desired effect, was not reached. O_O

The western media painted a picture of crippling damage. Devastating. What am showing you, is these "punches", merely made Russia uncomfortable. 

With adjustments, they are not being hurt like the west stated they would be.

We can agree to disagree on those facts.