Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[Nationalist]

48 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL they didn’t produce the “evidence” you claim. So to repeat myself yet again, BBC didn’t say what you claim it said. Fo back and warch

 

your clip again. Write down the complete sentence that the reporter said and post THE COMPLETE SENTENCE in this thread. VERBATIM. Deal?

 

Right

 

No, not Milley, the utter garbage is the pro-Russian conspiracy kook opinion piece you linked to. Did you even read the fringe sh1t piece you linked to? I bet not. 

Lol...so brainwashed.

[BeaverFever]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...so brainwashed.

Yes you are!  Glad you’re finally admitting it!

 

So are you going to post in here the “evidence” that the bbc reporter said or what?

Edited June 9, 2023 by BeaverFever

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yes you are!  Glad you’re finally admitting it!

 

So are you going to post in here the “evidence” that the bbc reporter said or what?

Beave. They said, and still say nobody knows who done it yet. The rest is pure speculation. 

Time will tell.

[Aristides]

What the BBC says.

[BeaverFever]

On 6/10/2023 at 8:46 AM, Nationalist said:

Beave. They said, and still say nobody knows who done it yet. The rest is pure speculation. 

Time will tell.

Yes but you’ve lost track of your own arguments again…originally you falsely claimed BBC confirmed Russians in Crimea rely on the the reservoir for fresh water.  That is why you linked it in the first place so either you’re befuddled and confused about what point you were originally trying to make or you are  now trying to be slimy and shift positions to pretend you were making a different point  which is it?

 

Yes we all know nothing has been proven conclusively but your own BBC news link says it is more likely to be Russia

[Nationalist]

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yes but you’ve lost track of your own arguments again…originally you falsely claimed BBC confirmed Russians in Crimea rely on the the reservoir for fresh water.  That is why you linked it in the first place so either you’re befuddled and confused about what point you were originally trying to make or you are  now trying to be slimy and shift positions to pretend you were making a different point  which is it?

 

Yes we all know nothing has been proven conclusively but your own BBC news link says it is more likely to be Russia

Or maybe you're just wrong. I mean...you are most of the time...

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Or maybe you're just wrong. I mean...you are most of the time...

Ha your empty generic response to my very specific and accurate criticism shows you know YOU were wrong lol

[Nationalist]

40 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Ha your empty generic response to my very specific and accurate criticism shows you know YOU were wrong lol

I wouldn't be so sure...if I were you.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I wouldn't be so sure...if I were you.

I’m sure of what the BBC said and what you falsely claimed it said 

[Nationalist]

41 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I’m sure of what the BBC said and what you falsely claimed it said 

You're always sure Beave,,,and you're always wrong.

[Moonbox]

"You're always wrong," he repeats to other people, embarrassed by how often and how obviously he's been wrong in this thread.  

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Moonbox said:

"You're always wrong," he repeats to other people, embarrassed by how often and how obviously he's been wrong in this thread.  

Really? Gee how's that great Spring offensive coming along?

[Moonbox]

I don't know?  It just started. 

What does Russia Today have to say about it?  ? 

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I don't know?  It just started. 

What does Russia Today have to say about it?  ? 

I don't know. What does Zelinsky's news agency tell you?

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Really? Gee how's that great Spring offensive coming along?

Borrowing Tactics From The U.S. Army, The Ukrainian Marine Corps Is Thundering Through Russian Lines In Fast-Moving Columns

David AxeJun 13, 2023,

 

In eight or nine days of hard fighting, the 2,000-person brigade has liberated several villages—most recently Makarivka, on Monday.

Speed and shock are key. The 35th Marine Brigade is fairly lightly equipped for a Ukrainian brigade, with dozens of ex-British Mastiff and ex-Turkish Kirpi armored trucks and around 10 gas-turbine T-80BV tanks. It’s how the brigade is using those vehicles that’s key to the unit’s swift advance.

With a T-80 near the front, a column of Mastiffs rolls down the dirt road that runs parallel to the Mokri Yaly River. The tank blasts, at close range, any Russian positions its three-person crew detects on either side of the road.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/13/borrowing-tactics-from-the-us-army-the-ukrainian-marine-corps-is-thundering-through-russian-lines-in-fast-moving-columns/?sh=2a061a1c5fb6

 

Russian pundits are blaming the rain for Ukrainian advances

Lauren Steussy

Jun 13, 2023, 7:44 PM EDT
 

Russian milbloggers reportedly chalked up Ukrainian advancements to rain and heavy fog in key areas of their counteroffensive.

The pundits said that poor weather conditions on Sunday grounded Russian aircraft, impeding efforts to strike areas where Ukrainian forces were concentrated, around Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts, according to the Institute for the Study of War.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy acknowledged the weather but said his troops did just fine with it.

"Although the weather is unfavorable these days – the rain makes our task more difficult – the strength of our warriors still yields results," Zelenskyy said on Monday, per the Kyiv Independent. 

Over the past week, Ukrainians have retaken 90 square kilometers of territory, according to ISW. Other advances include liberating some front-line villages — though efforts to overcome ruthless Russian obstacles have been bruising, as Insider's Ryan Pickrell reported.
 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-pundits-are-blaming-the-rain-for-ukrainian-advances-2023-6
 

Russian accounts admit Ukrainian forces are making some gains in heavy fighting

CNN  —  none

 

 

The latest battle reports came from Moscow-backed officials and military bloggers who detailed clashes south of the town of Velyka Novosilka along both sides of the Mokri Yaly River, where Ukrainian forces have made gains in recent days. 

Ukraine on Saturday seized several small villages along the river, according to geolocated video. And on Sunday, Ukraine’s deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar said Kyiv’s advances in the area amount to between 5 and 10 kilometers (3 to 6 miles). 

Late Monday, a senior Russia-appointed official, Vladimir Rogov, spoke of heavy fighting in an area known as the Vremivka Ridge, claiming that higher ground remained under Russian control. 

Rogov, a member of the Russian-installed Zaporizhzhia administration, said on Telegram that Russian attack helicopters were in action, and that in the vicinity of the village of Urozhaine, “reciprocal shelling and heavy fighting of ultra-high intensity continues.” 

Rogov conceded that Ukrainian forces were “holding their positions on the northern and eastern outskirts of the village.” 

Russian forces are trying to repel Ukraine’s breakthrough with counterattacks, according to the unofficial Russian Telegram channel, Operatsiya Z.

The channel said Monday that Ukrainian forces were trying to take higher ground to “create conditions for advancing,” and assessed that their aim was to advance toward the Russian-occupied hub of Staromlynivka.
 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/europe/ukraine-russian-accounts-heavy-fighting-zaporizhzhia-intl-hnk/
 

So to answer your question:  slow but steady progress 

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Borrowing Tactics From The U.S. Army, The Ukrainian Marine Corps Is Thundering Through Russian Lines In Fast-Moving Columns

David AxeJun 13, 2023,

 

In eight or nine days of hard fighting, the 2,000-person brigade has liberated several villages—most recently Makarivka, on Monday.

Speed and shock are key. The 35th Marine Brigade is fairly lightly equipped for a Ukrainian brigade, with dozens of ex-British Mastiff and ex-Turkish Kirpi armored trucks and around 10 gas-turbine T-80BV tanks. It’s how the brigade is using those vehicles that’s key to the unit’s swift advance.

With a T-80 near the front, a column of Mastiffs rolls down the dirt road that runs parallel to the Mokri Yaly River. The tank blasts, at close range, any Russian positions its three-person crew detects on either side of the road.
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/13/borrowing-tactics-from-the-us-army-the-ukrainian-marine-corps-is-thundering-through-russian-lines-in-fast-moving-columns/?sh=2a061a1c5fb6

 

Russian pundits are blaming the rain for Ukrainian advances

Lauren Steussy

Jun 13, 2023, 7:44 PM EDT
 

Russian milbloggers reportedly chalked up Ukrainian advancements to rain and heavy fog in key areas of their counteroffensive.

The pundits said that poor weather conditions on Sunday grounded Russian aircraft, impeding efforts to strike areas where Ukrainian forces were concentrated, around Donetsk and Zaporizhia oblasts, according to the Institute for the Study of War.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy acknowledged the weather but said his troops did just fine with it.

"Although the weather is unfavorable these days – the rain makes our task more difficult – the strength of our warriors still yields results," Zelenskyy said on Monday, per the Kyiv Independent. 

Over the past week, Ukrainians have retaken 90 square kilometers of territory, according to ISW. Other advances include liberating some front-line villages — though efforts to overcome ruthless Russian obstacles have been bruising, as Insider's Ryan Pickrell reported.
 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-pundits-are-blaming-the-rain-for-ukrainian-advances-2023-6
 

Russian accounts admit Ukrainian forces are making some gains in heavy fighting

CNN  —  none

 

 

The latest battle reports came from Moscow-backed officials and military bloggers who detailed clashes south of the town of Velyka Novosilka along both sides of the Mokri Yaly River, where Ukrainian forces have made gains in recent days. 

Ukraine on Saturday seized several small villages along the river, according to geolocated video. And on Sunday, Ukraine’s deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar said Kyiv’s advances in the area amount to between 5 and 10 kilometers (3 to 6 miles). 

Late Monday, a senior Russia-appointed official, Vladimir Rogov, spoke of heavy fighting in an area known as the Vremivka Ridge, claiming that higher ground remained under Russian control. 

Rogov, a member of the Russian-installed Zaporizhzhia administration, said on Telegram that Russian attack helicopters were in action, and that in the vicinity of the village of Urozhaine, “reciprocal shelling and heavy fighting of ultra-high intensity continues.” 

Rogov conceded that Ukrainian forces were “holding their positions on the northern and eastern outskirts of the village.” 

Russian forces are trying to repel Ukraine’s breakthrough with counterattacks, according to the unofficial Russian Telegram channel, Operatsiya Z.

The channel said Monday that Ukrainian forces were trying to take higher ground to “create conditions for advancing,” and assessed that their aim was to advance toward the Russian-occupied hub of Staromlynivka.
 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/europe/ukraine-russian-accounts-heavy-fighting-zaporizhzhia-intl-hnk/
 

So to answer your question:  slow but steady progress 

Ya...progress...

Meanwhile in reality...

Olaf Scholtz is being called a warmonger by his own party and the German public.

Ukraine has reportedly lost 16 armored vehicles and have moved into a couple abandoned villages along the front. These villages were evacuated last moth by the Russians because...the Ukrainians would have slaughtered them.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Ukraine was attacked by a country with a much larger army. Apparently, that army is learning lessons from its disastrous performance in the first year of this entirely unnecessary conflict. Its defences are strong and it has substantial air power. I don’t expect that liberating eastern Ukraine will be easy. On the wider question, authoritarian states are the norm in human history, unfortunately. Many have been all too durable. 

Edited June 15, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[Moonbox]

17 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ukraine has reportedly lost 16 armored vehicles and have moved into a couple abandoned villages along the front. These villages were evacuated last moth by the Russians because...the Ukrainians would have slaughtered them.

The villages were empty last month, and the month before that, and the many months before that.  Who do you figure was living within yelling distance of frontline trenchworks and active fighting?  

If you're getting your news from Youtube conspiracy clowns, however, I guess anything can make sense.  ?‍♂️

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The villages were empty last month, and the month before that, and the many months before that.  Who do you figure was living within yelling distance of frontline trenchworks and active fighting?  

If you're getting your news from Youtube conspiracy clowns, however, I guess anything can make sense.  ?‍♂️

As opposed to western media...for the most...who take their queues from Zelinsky's media?

Yes.

[Moonbox]

Forget about who's reporting it. 

Who do you figure was living within yelling distance of frontline trenchworks and active fighting?  

A tiny little bit of critical thinking would have concluded nobody, but we don't have to worry about that with you, do we?  

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Forget about who's reporting it. 

Who do you figure was living within yelling distance of frontline trenchworks and active fighting?  

A tiny little bit of critical thinking would have concluded nobody, but we don't have to worry about that with you, do we?  

If I had to guess, I'd say Patrick Lancaster. He's a bit eccentric I think, and tends to overstate things a tad, but he's right there and he does show footage of what he's finding.

How 'bout msm journalists? Any of them on the front reporting?

[Moonbox]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

If I had to guess, I'd say Patrick Lancaster. He's a bit eccentric I think, and tends to overstate things a tad, but he's right there and he does show footage of what he's finding.

you think Patrick Lancaster was living in front line Ukrainian villages?  ?

I guess it’s true what they say about birds of a feather.  Lancaster’s former cameraman was on record saying he’s a charlatan and dumber than a houseplant, and the only outlets who show any of his videos now are Russia Today and mush-brain Infowars.  Of course you follow him.  

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

How 'bout msm journalists? Any of them on the front reporting?

Sure.  Some of them have even been killed.  

Edited June 15, 2023 by Moonbox

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

you think Patrick Lancaster was living in front line Ukrainian villages?  ?

I guess it’s true what they say about birds of a feather.  Lancaster’s former cameraman was on record saying he’s a charlatan and dumber than a houseplant, and the only outlets who show any of his videos now are Russia Today and mush-brain Infowars.  Of course you follow him.  

Sure.  Some of them have even been killed.  

You asked...Lancaster is there. 

Killed...on the front line? I know a couple died in...Kiev was it?

Here's the list...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/24/journalists-killed-ukraine-russia-war/

So a few in Kiev. 

[Moonbox]

That's the list (from the MSM you keep saying you cannot trust, but keep linking if you think they say something you like) from March 2022, one-month into the war.  

Do you even read/look at the sources you link?  ?

Anyways, a French journalist died just a few weeks ago in Donetsk Oblast.  

https://correspondent.afp.com/arman-soldin-eternal-smile

Edited June 15, 2023 by Moonbox

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Moonbox said:

That's the list (from the MSM you keep saying you cannot trust, but keep linking if you think they say something you like) from March 2022, one-month into the war.  

Do you even read/look at the sources you link?  ?

Anyways, a French journalist died just a few weeks ago in Donetsk Oblast.  

https://correspondent.afp.com/arman-soldin-eternal-smile

I picked a source you'd believe. Now you don't like that either.

Meh...