Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

the US poisoned Yuckabunko and blamed it on Russia? 

Just inventing random shit on the fly now eh?  Shocker. Anything to defend  your dear murdering dictator at any cost. 
 

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ukraine's "slow-moving low-level talk involved Biden, the VPOTUS at the time, going there to "clean up Ukrainian corruption" (with a big bucket for hauling away cash) so that Ukraine could get into NATO. 

That's not "low-level". You could argue that when the VPOTUS is taking the lead on a project, and flying across the planet several times in his ongoing efforts, it's not "low-level".

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you still think it's low-level.

Oh, would you look at that, I'm right. (I just time-travelled to get that answer. Either that or somehow I just know that you're gonna say something stupid or tell another lie).

Developimg closer diplomatic relations and joining NATO are 2 completely different things, dummy.  Discussions on joining NATO were low level in that it was not an imminent consideration 
 

And Ukraine is a sovereign nation and free to develop ties with whoever it wants without being invaded. THAT’S A FACT OF THE LAW, PUTIN PUPPET. 

And as I said, Russian aggression is the only reason Ukraine sought close ties to the west in the first place. 
 

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Embargo"? The word they used was "quarantine" fwiw. The "quarantine" involved dropping depth charges on Russian subs to force them to the surface, where they were at the mercy of the entire Atlantic fleet (FYI those are bad odds for a sub, just so ya know).

Can you stopping being such a Putin apologist for 1 minute and stop pretending that a horse is the same as an airplane. There’s nothing similar between Putins failing war and the Cuban missile crisis. 
 

And its absolutely hilarious you keep referencing the ONE “depth charge” incident in the Cuban missile crisis, where HARMLESS TRAINING MUNITIONS  were used as WARNING SHOTS to turn back ONE SUB, ONE TIME and NOBODY WAS HURT… and you compare it to Putin’s 8 month war where thousands have been killed and millions displaced 

Edited October 29, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

I repeat:

You keep saying the same stupid things, but Putin had better reason to oppose NATO 0 inches away in Ukraine than Kennedy did to oppose missiles 1400 miles away in Cuba.

[WestCanMan]

59 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Just inventing random shit on the fly now eh?  Shocker. Anything to defend  your dear murdering dictator at any cost.

You may be dumb enough to believe the US when they say things like "Russia blew up their own pipeline", I'm not. Just because the US says that someone was poisoned by Russians doesn't check any boxes for me. 

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Developimg closer diplomatic relations and joining NATO are 2 completely different things, dummy.  Discussions on joining NATO were low level in that it was not an imminent consideration 

Stop saying that sending a VPOTUS across the planet several times to oversee a project makes it "low-level".

I'm not even remotely close to being as stupid as the people who listen to you.

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And Ukraine is a sovereign nation and free to develop ties with whoever it wants without being invaded. THAT’S A FACT OF THE LAW, PUTIN PUPPET.

And Ukraine had fair warning, BIDEN PUPPET!

The US is always bombing people. Biden himself drone-striked a young family and pretended they were Al Qaeda for 2 weeks. Was that legal?

How do you like a guy like that having his finger on the red button?

"F-u Puternan, u badd gie. I'm sendin sum missils yur way now u sunuvabich! Oops! Soree tornontro! Dam, I hayt wen I bom calufonya lyke that." - Joe Biden

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And as I said, Russian aggression is the only reason Ukraine sought close ties to the west in the first place. 

OBJECTION! Speculation!

Is the US not aggressive? Is there a square inch of the ME that hasn't been bombed in the last 40 years?

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Can you stopping being such a Putin apologist for 1 minute and stop pretending that a horse is the same as an airplane. There’s nothing similar between Putins failing war and the Cuban missile crisis. 

Horses could get to Moscow from the spot that Zelenski wants to park NATO in 2 weeks. 

Horses can't go from Cuba to Washington DC.

And stop lying.

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And its absolutely hilarious you keep referencing the ONE “depth charge” incident in the Cuban missile crisis, where HARMLESS TRAINING MUNITIONS  were used as WARNING SHOTS to turn back ONE SUB, ONE TIME and NOBODY WAS HURT… and you compare it to Putin’s 8 month war where thousands have been killed and millions displaced 

Not one depth charge - several depth charges, against subs in international waters which were headed to a friendly port in a country that the US had just attacked a year earlier. You remember JFK's Bay of Pigs invasion, right?

What right did Kennedy have to try and incite rebellion in a foreign country? That's worse than Russian collusion ffs. Kennedy is "a murderous dictator" for trying to impose his will on the Cuban people by force, to use your terminology.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Perhaps. If that would end it tomorrow...sure.

Unlike you, I don't care who wins or loses.

but if you actually meant that, you'd have to explain why you said this:

?

From everything you've said, all you seem to care about is that Putin gets what he wants.  Russians leaving Ukraine would be the best way for the war to end, after all.  

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You keep saying the same stupid things, but Putin had better reason to oppose NATO 0 inches away in Ukraine than Kennedy did to oppose missiles 1400 miles away in Cuba.

That is the stupidest thing you’ve said all day. But it’s still early. 

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You may be dumb enough to believe the US when they say things like "Russia blew up their own pipeline", I'm not. Just because the US says that someone was poisoned by Russians doesn't check any boxes for me

You may be dumb enough to believe Putin’s lies that he’s the world’s good guy (backed by Iran, North Korea, China, Syria and Saudi Arabia) and the west are the world’s villains but the rest of us aren’t.   The funny thing is your childish hatred of tue west is based solely on  the fact that Biden is the leader.
 

You didn’t hold these pro-Russian views when Trump was in charge and I’m sure you’ll flip flop again as soon as there’s another Republican president.  Remember when you weeks saying Russia only annexed Crimea and invaded Ukraine because Obama and Biden  were “weak” and Putin feared Trump because Trump was tough on Russia and “bombed Russian troops”???   But now you’re saying Putin and Obama were aggressors.  You’re pathetic. 
 

 I repeat:

LMAO your murderous dictator Putin is nothing like Kennedy, February 2022 was nothing like the peak Cold War, Ukraine’s slow moving low level talk of maybe some day joining NATO was nothing like USSR putting nukes in Cuba and Putin’s brutal invasion is nothing like the Cuba embargo. Enough with your desperate pathetic and shockingly idiotic false comparisons. 

[BeaverFever]

I love how Putin recently gave a rant against “cancel culture” to try and shore up his support among US Republicans and the western Far Right.
 

The man has his critics thrown from high rise windows and opposition politicians poisoned  and jailed, that’s the ultimate “cancel culture.”

Meanwhile he’s walked back his nuke threats. 

Edited October 29, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Moonbox said:

but if you actually meant that, you'd have to explain why you said this:

?

From everything you've said, all you seem to care about is that Putin gets what he wants.  Russians leaving Ukraine would be the best way for the war to end, after all.  

I see you're still willing to sink to ground level. At least you're consistent. 

I could care less what Putin wants. I just don't like lies. If the Russians, I'm good with that too. I doubt they will but...

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I see you're still willing to sink to ground level. At least you're consistent. 

I'm just pointing out what you've said in the past.  You're the one who's clearly lying, because you say don't care who wins but then you've already explicitly told us: 

No amount of "context" explains away this.  

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I could care less what Putin wants. I just don't like lies. If the Russians, I'm good with that too. I doubt they will but...

If you didn't care about lies then you wouldn't be spending all of your energy on this thread criticizing everyone but Putin. ?  

[taxme]

On 10/26/2022 at 1:08 PM, Moonbox said:

Ah okay then.  Basically what you're saying is that all of the different mainstream media outlets around the world all follow the "leftist liberal globalist narrative and agenda" (what a mouthful!) and they're always wrong...until they're saying something you agree with.  Got it! ??

"It is a well known fact that..." is conspiracy theory copypasta that prefaces the launching of goofy rants beyond counting.  The problem is that it's almost never actually a fact (nor "well-known"), but rather something you folks hear on 4chan etc and then repeat to each other so many times you actually believe it.  

So again, you're literally telling us that the MSM is only right when they're saying what you already want to hear and already believe.  That's literally the definition of an echo chamber, but at least you acknowledge it.  ?

I will agree with the MSM when they do tell the true facts. Most times they never do. They just repeat and report the lies and bullshit that are fed to them by their globalist corporate Zionist elite cabal that owns and controls what they can say, or in the case of the CBC, they take their orders from the Marxist dictator in Ottawa who is a WEF globalist puppet on a string anyway. As far as you are concerned no matter what the MSM says you will always be in agreement with them and anything that I may say that you do not agree with is all just more conspiracy nonsense. 

I know that Nazi Zelensky is your hero and I just wish that you would just say so and be done with it. Well??? And Russia is far from losing the war. That lie is constantly being told to suckers like you by the MSM that people like you will believe and suck up. Your Nazi hero Zelensky could not keep his battle going with Russia if he was not getting immense help from the globalists in the west. Putin is fighting this feud between the two alone with no help and is winning. Live with it. ?

 

[taxme]

On 10/27/2022 at 11:14 AM, Moonbox said:

and now Finland is joining and Russia also can't do anything about it. 

Why they should have is self-evident.  Russia's lost the majority of their professional army and loads of equipment and gained almost nothing from 8 months of war.  

NATO don't have to sit on their hands and let Russia bully who they please. They just don't.  

Sure, but the only madman who'd risk starting one is Putin, and he's the one you should be worried about.  The threat that he may start one is not logical rationale for acquiescing to his will either.  Letting villains and dictators take what they please because they threaten to push the red button is a blueprint for a shittier world, following the same logic as "we don't negotiate with terrorists".  

And the Donbass region now belongs to Russia and there is nothing the west or Nazi Zelensky can do about it now. If they do try and take back the Donbass it could lead to more than just fighting in the fields, if you get my drift here. It's up to Nazi Zelensky and the west to back off now before things do get worse. 

And Putin does not have to sit on his hands and let the west and Zelensky bully him. Putin just will not let that happen. 

You talk like you personally know Putin and how the man thinks? What makes you think and believe that Putin is a madman to you anyway? Is it the MSM telling you this? Give me something to go on, Zelensky supporter. 

Maybe the real madman here is Nazi Zelensky. Hey, we never know, eh? ?

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

the stupidest thing 

Yup. The internet said that about you. Take a hint. 

Edited October 29, 2022 by WestCanMan

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I'm just pointing out what you've said in the past.  You're the one who's clearly lying, because you say don't care who wins but then you've already explicitly told us: 

No amount of "context" explains away this.  

If you didn't care about lies then you wouldn't be spending all of your energy on this thread criticizing everyone but Putin. ?  

Well...you enjoy your little lies and I'll just continue to point out how really low Libbies will sink.

BTW...I have criticized Putin plenty. You wear you sjw moment like a badge...and I just follow the facts. More crawling by you I'm afraid.

I understand one can actually survive on eating dirt.

Is it true?

Edited October 29, 2022 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You may be dumb enough to believe Putin’s lies that he’s the world’s good guy (backed by Iran, North Korea, China, Syria and Saudi Arabia) and the west are the world’s villains but the rest of us aren’t.   The funny thing is your childish hatred of tue west is based solely on  the fact that Biden is the leader.

I don't care if Putin's a good guy or a bad guy.

John Candy was a good guy. Not every good thing that happened between 1980 and 1990 was done by John Candy.

Hitler was a bad guy. Not every bad thing that happened between 1935 and 1945 was Hitler's fault.

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You didn’t hold these pro-Russian views when Trump was in charge and I’m sure you’ll flip flop again as soon as there’s another Republican president.  Remember when you weeks saying Russia only annexed Crimea and invaded Ukraine because Obama and Biden  were “weak” and Putin feared Trump because Trump was tough on Russia and “bombed Russian troops”???   But now you’re saying Putin and Obama were aggressors.  You’re pathetic. 

FYI I'm not "pro-Russian" at all.

I don't hate Ukrainians either.

Ideally, no one would be killing anyone.

I'm pro-peace, and Ukraine created a condition where war was necessary. Now there's war.

Sun Tzu only lived to be 48, 2,500 years ago, and even he understood that peace required strength. Having weak, stupid presidents doing the wrong things in the US caused war. Obama and Biden thought it would be cute to prepare Ukraine to join NATO. Fart around and find out, I guess.

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 I repeat:

LMAO your murderous dictator Putin is nothing like Kennedy, February 2022 was nothing like the peak Cold War, Ukraine’s slow moving low level talk of maybe some day joining NATO was nothing like USSR putting nukes in Cuba and Putin’s brutal invasion is nothing like the Cuba embargo. Enough with your desperate pathetic and shockingly idiotic false comparisons. 

Kennedy invaded Cuba, unprovoked, in 1961. Then Kennedy dropped depth charges on Russian subs which were in international waters, headed to a nation which had asked for their aid after they were attacked by the US. 

Putin isn't a good guy, nor was Kennedy by your standards, the embargo and the missile crisis are two separate events, and FYI sending the VPOTUS to Ukraine is neither low-level nor slow-moving.

You're just not a smart guy, Beave. Stop babbling.

[Moonbox]

7 hours ago, taxme said:

And Putin does not have to sit on his hands and let the west and Zelensky bully him. Putin just will not let that happen. 

Putin doesn't have much choice in the matter.  He's trying to play superpower with an economy smaller than Canada's and an army that isn't interested in fighting.  

7 hours ago, taxme said:

You talk like you personally know Putin and how the man thinks? What makes you think and believe that Putin is a madman to you anyway?

The way his critics tend to disappear, fall out of balconies, get poisoned or shot is the first indication.  The next is how badly he miscalculated on the invasion.  I think even he believed that the Ukrainians would welcome the Russian army, but the shitty decision making process of this regime were outlined in the OP.   

7 hours ago, taxme said:

Is it the MSM telling you this? Give me something to go on, Zelensky supporter. 

Of course you'd use this limp noodle of a coping device.  No matter the subject, no matter the debate, "REEee the MSM!" is your fallback for everything.  ?

[BeaverFever]

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm pro-peace, and Ukraine created a condition where war was necessary

?Now that’s a self-contradictory statement! Thanks for yet another laugh!

 

I repeat:

LMAO your murderous dictator Putin is nothing like Kennedy, February 2022 was nothing like the peak Cold War, Ukraine’s slow moving low level talk of maybe some day joining NATO was nothing like USSR putting nukes in Cuba and Putin’s brutal invasion is nothing like the Cuba embargo. Enough with your desperate pathetic and shockingly idiotic false comparisons. 
 

Your Pro-Putin shilling just to “pwn” Biden is absolutely shameless. 

Edited October 30, 2022 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Moonbox said:

The way his critics tend to disappear, fall out of balconies, get poisoned or shot is the first indication.  The next is how badly he miscalculated on the invasion.  I think even he believed that the Ukrainians would welcome the Russian army, but the shitty decision making process of this regime were outlined in the OP.   

He's the Russian version of Killary. People who have dirt on her commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head.

Rumour has it that one guy committed suicide with a bow and arrow, and another guy fell down an elevator shaft onto some bullets. 

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  ? 

Agreed.

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI I'm not "pro-Russian" at all.

I don't hate Ukrainians either.

Ideally, no one would be killing anyone.

I'm pro-peace, and Ukraine created a condition where war was necessary. Now there's war.

Sun Tzu only lived to be 48, 2,500 years ago, and even he understood that peace required strength. Having weak, stupid presidents doing the wrong things in the US caused war. Obama and Biden thought it would be cute to prepare Ukraine to join NATO. Fart around and find out, I guess.

I just quoted a bunch of your old posts exposing what shameless hypocrite you are. Most are in the “Putin dummying another Dem” thread you created but you really left quite a trail of breadcrumbs 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

I just quoted a bunch of your old posts exposing what shameless hypocrite you are. Most are in the “Putin dummying another Dem” thread you created but you really left quite a trail of breadcrumbs 

No, you just proved that even with the benefit of hindsight [as much as 3 years in some places] you still have no clue where we are right now, how we got here, how bad things actually are, how much worse they're going to get, and how close we are to complete disaster.

Ignoring the massive provocations in Ukraine and pretending that Putin blew up NS1 & 2 is not funny. It's not helpful. It's not cute. It's not contributing to a pleasant outcome. It's just recklessly piling new stupidity on top of old stupidity - which you should be able to see for what it is by now. 

This isn't just politics now Beave. Partisan support is no longer excusable. It's risen to the level of "existential threat" for people all over the world. Not just from nuclear war, which I'd like to hope is still only a slight possibility, but from cold and hunger as well.

Biden is stupid enough to be blissfully aware of what's going on right now, the Biden family is not at risk of going hungry in his lifetime regardless how badly other people get screwed by his actions, and he's not long for this earth, so the consequences won't be that dire for him no matter what.

You should take stock of what Biden might cost you, your family, and innocent people all over the world though, and how little we stand to gain from risking so much. 

[DogOnPorch]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

He's the Russian version of Killary. People who have dirt on her commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head.

Rumour has it that one guy committed suicide with a bow and arrow, and another guy fell down an elevator shaft onto some bullets. 

Agreed.

 

Epstein brand toilet paper can haul a 5 ton rig out of a ditch.

[Moonbox]

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Epstein brand toilet paper can haul a 5 ton rig out of a ditch.

or become president of the United States!

[DogOnPorch]

7 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

or become president of the United States!

 

While I admire your undying support for Jeffery Epstein, I doubt he could have become your candidate for President while breathing let alone now.

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

No, you just proved that even with the benefit of hindsight [as much as 3 years in some places] you still have no clue where we are right now, how we got here, how bad things actually are, how much worse they're going to get, and how close we are to complete disaster.

Ignoring the massive provocations in Ukraine and pretending that Putin blew up NS1 & 2 is not funny. It's not helpful. It's not cute. It's not contributing to a pleasant outcome. It's just recklessly piling new stupidity on top of old stupidity - which you should be able to see for what it is by now. 

This isn't just politics now Beave. Partisan support is no longer excusable. It's risen to the level of "existential threat" for people all over the world. Not just from nuclear war, which I'd like to hope is still only a slight possibility, but from cold and hunger as well.

Biden is stupid enough to be blissfully aware of what's going on right now, the Biden family is not at risk of going hungry in his lifetime regardless how badly other people get screwed by his actions, and he's not long for this earth, so the consequences won't be that dire for him no matter what.

You should take stock of what Biden might cost you, your family, and innocent people all over the world though, and how little we stand to gain from risking so much. 

Hilarious ! The guy who just recently posted that he doesn’t know or care what happened in Ukraine previously and didn’t even know about Yuschenko or Yanukovich now says that I don’t know how w got here?

Youve changed your story 180 degrees buddy. And you SFA except what you  copy paste from Putin’s apologists and Russian fake news sites.
 

If you really believe you’re facing such an existential threat you’ll be visiting some liberals house with a hammer soon I expect. 

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

While I admire your undying support for Jeffery Epstein, I doubt he could have become your candidate for President while breathing let alone now.

Nope just his good buddy Trump!

[BeaverFever]

On 10/29/2022 at 8:57 AM, Nationalist said:

I just don't like lies.

“Biolabs!”

”Zelensky is a Nazi!”

”Zelenskywas planning to attack Russia first!”

”The occupied Ukrainians WANT to join Russia!”