BeaverFever Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Yes...I feel your pain. If Putin uses nuclear weapons, Putin’s not to blame? Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: It would be Russia who would be resorting to Nuclear War. NATO would be just supporting a democracy to create a buffer state. And you're a gullible fool to believe that Putin would stop at Ukraine if NATO were to just let them fall. A buffer state? Have the Russians threatened to attack any NATO nation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Boges said: Wooden houses in a metropolis tho. Indeed. Paper, too. B-29s had been using regular high explosive bombs on Japanese cities without the desired effects. The simple oil-pot incendiary bomb from under 10,000 feet proved to be the ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: A buffer state? Have the Russians threatened to attack any NATO nation? Not to my knowledge. You know...since the Cold War ended. The US and Russia even worked TOGETHER to defeat ISIS in Syria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: A buffer state? Have the Russians threatened to attack any NATO nation? That's why NATO exists. Ukraine doesn't belong to NATO and it was attacked. See how that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: If Putin uses nuclear weapons, Putin’s not to blame? Hilarious. You keep saying this...but I never said nukes were okay. I don't think Canada or NATO should be anywhere near this fight lest nuclear war does get to be the last option. And we getting there thanks to yappy little mutts like yourself clamoring for battle from your supposed safe place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: That's why NATO exists. Ukraine doesn't belong to NATO and it was attacked. See how that works. I see. So now Ukraine is NOT a NATO nation and is just a buffer zone. LOL...the mental gymnastics you lyin' buggers do is so pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: The US certainly did...Korea comes to mind. They considered and rejected it but never threatened it. MacArthur wanted all out war against China so Truman fired him. An important difference between dictatorships and democracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Aristides said: They considered and rejected it but never threatened it. MacArthur wanted all out war against China so Truman fired him. An important difference between dictatorships and democracies. The US did threaten their use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nationalist said: A buffer state? Have the Russians threatened to attack any NATO nation? They've threatened Nations that want to join NATO. Again no NATO troops are engaged in combat in Ukraine. NATO nations are sanctioning the shit out of Russia and providing military aid. These are not new things. Proxy Wars happened all the time in the Cold War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: I see. So now Ukraine is NOT a NATO nation and is just a buffer zone. LOL...the mental gymnastics you lyin' buggers do is so pathetic. Ukraine is not a NATO nation so Putin thought he could get away with attacking it. He doesn't attack NATO states because he can't. See how that works. I really don't see Ukraine as a buffer state. Buffer state for who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 33 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Currently the 2 countries, US and Russia appear to be playing chicken. Yesterday I read this questionable story how Putin was moving a nuke to the Ukrainian border for a threatened test. Then I read another questionable suggestion from some cable "expert," possibly a Biden regime rep saying if Putin used a small nuke to attack Ukraine, Nato would respond by joining the conflict. But let's imagine those stories are true. Not sure why the Americans would need nukes. MOABs have a 50 kilometer blast radius. Drop a few of those in Crimea and see what happens. Say, take out that Russian bridge, the airports and the Russian fleet at Dock. Do it with MOABS. Not because you need that much ordinance but in reaction to a small nuke without using a nuke on what both Ukraine and Russia call their territory in reaction to the Russian baby nuke. But then what happens? NATO could have this war done and dusted in a few weeks if they wanted to. They wouldn't even have to put a single rifle in the country, it could all be done using air power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: I really don't see Ukraine as a buffer state. Buffer state for who? I would say Poland. Russia taking over Ukraine is not in Western Europe's best interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Boges said: NATO could have this war done and dusted in a few weeks if they wanted to. They wouldn't even have to put a single rifle in the country, it could all be done using air power. I believe that was the idea behind bombing North Viet-Nam, as well. The pipsqueak country would collapse under the weight of the mighty USAF...forcing the Commies to sue for peace. Didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boges said: I would say Poland. Russia taking over Ukraine is not in Western Europe's best interest. They've only had it for centuries previously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, DogOnPorch said: I believe that was the idea behind bombing North Viet-Nam, as well. The pipsqueak country would collapse under the weight of the mighty USAF...forcing the Commies to sue for peace. Didn't work. So you're suggesting the Russians will resort to Guerilla tactics? Most soldiers don't even want to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Boges said: I would say Poland. Russia taking over Ukraine is not in Western Europe's best interest. So who then comes the buffer state for Ukraine? Russia taking over Ukraine is not in Ukraine's best interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boges said: So you're suggesting the Russians will resort to Guerilla tactics? Most soldiers don't even want to be there. I'd appreciate it if you'd respond properly. Edited October 4, 2022 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, Aristides said: So who then comes the buffer state for Ukraine? Russia taking over Ukraine is not in Ukraine's best interest. Indeed. I think these Putin apologists believe the propaganda that Ukraine is a corrupt fascist state. It was before the uprising in 2014 that led to the annexation of Crimea. Zelensky has great popular support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: I'd appreciate it if you'd respond properly. If you're going to compare the conflict to Vietnam, at least use an Apples to Apples comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Boges said: They've threatened Nations that want to join NATO. Again no NATO troops are engaged in combat in Ukraine. NATO nations are sanctioning the shit out of Russia and providing military aid. These are not new things. Proxy Wars happened all the time in the Cold War. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/05/apad-j05.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Indeed. I think these Putin apologists believe the propaganda that Ukraine is a corrupt fascist state. It was before the uprising in 2014 that led to the annexation of Crimea. Zelensky has great popular support. Ignoring the fact that 'our side' is supporting actual Nazis can't be swept under the rug no matter how inconvenient it happens to be to 'our cause'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Ignoring the fact that 'our side' is supporting actual Nazis can't be swept under the rug no matter how inconvenient it happens to be to 'our cause'. Pragmatism in War is a difficult thing. The Azov regiment are good fighters. Certainly not emblematic of the Ukrainian power structure as a whole however. I imagine, in the 40's, you would have objected to support for Stalin in the Eastern Front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Boges said: If you're going to compare the conflict to Vietnam, at least use an Apples to Apples comparison. Viet-Nam was more than mere guerilla warfare. Division sized engagements were disturbingly frequent for 'bush war'. Ia Drang was the first real hint of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted October 4, 2022 Report Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/05/apad-j05.html Again, Proxy War, ever heard of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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